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Mon May 13, 2019, 05:49 PM

Roman numerals, anyone? Poll suggests bias against Arabic numerals

https://triblive.com/news/roman-numerals-anyone-poll-suggests-bias-against-arabic-numerals/

Who knows exactly what a new poll says about mathematics in America, but the reactions to a recent poll on the topic are a little alarming.

When CivicScience, a Pittsburgh-based market research firm, polled more than 3,200 Americans on the issue of mathematics instruction last week, 56% of the respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in American schools; 29% said it should be part of the curriculum, while 16% offered no opinion.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The saddest and funniest testament to American bigotry we've ever seen in our data. pic.twitter.com/Bh3FBsl8sR

— John Dick (@jdcivicscience) May 11, 2019

Did they realize we’ve been using Arabic numerals for just about everything under the sun since the founding fathers gave us 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights?

I can't anymore

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PupCamo May 2019 OP
Eko May 2019 #1
lagomorph777 May 2019 #49
manor321 May 2019 #2
Xipe Totec May 2019 #19
lagomorph777 May 2019 #47
Xipe Totec May 2019 #59
lagomorph777 May 2019 #61
central scrutinizer May 2019 #43
muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #3
CrispyQ May 2019 #57
superpatriotman May 2019 #4
Yavin4 May 2019 #14
dsc May 2019 #21
Celerity May 2019 #50
smirkymonkey May 2019 #5
cynatnite May 2019 #6
Saviolo May 2019 #11
cynatnite May 2019 #12
FailureToCommunicate May 2019 #15
Pobeka May 2019 #24
sprinkleeninow May 2019 #27
Midnightwalk May 2019 #39
Pobeka May 2019 #45
NurseJackie May 2019 #7
defacto7 May 2019 #8
AZ8theist May 2019 #26
defacto7 May 2019 #34
AZ8theist May 2019 #40
defacto7 May 2019 #42
Sentath May 2019 #60
Panich52 May 2019 #9
Mendocino May 2019 #10
Yavin4 May 2019 #13
patphil May 2019 #16
JoeOtterbein May 2019 #17
AZ8theist May 2019 #25
Fritz Walter May 2019 #54
BadgerKid May 2019 #31
JoeOtterbein May 2019 #37
Mr.Bill May 2019 #18
Beartracks May 2019 #20
Crash2Parties May 2019 #22
ProudLib72 May 2019 #41
AZ8theist May 2019 #23
burrowowl May 2019 #63
burrowowl May 2019 #28
highplainsdem May 2019 #32
sarisataka May 2019 #29
NCjack May 2019 #33
defacto7 May 2019 #35
KatyMan May 2019 #58
TexasTowelie May 2019 #30
Kaleva May 2019 #36
dsc May 2019 #46
lagomorph777 May 2019 #48
Docreed2003 May 2019 #38
BootinUp May 2019 #44
Celerity May 2019 #51
tazkcmo May 2019 #52
HopeAgain May 2019 #53
LuvLoogie May 2019 #55
CrispyQ May 2019 #56
kskiska May 2019 #62
jmowreader May 2019 #64

Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:52 PM

1. I cant anymore either.

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Response to Eko (Reply #1)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:08 AM

49. The Reptilian Party is COUNTING on voters to be ignorant.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:55 PM

2. Personally I dislike imaginary numbers

 

I mean, imaginary! That's crazy!

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:33 PM

19. And irrationals. Don't get me started

Who wants crazy berserk numbers?

Nobody, that's who.

Bad enough that we have prime numbers.

What about the rest? Are they somehow inferior?

More peasanty?

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #19)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:04 AM

47. So... square root of negative pi would be terrible, right?

I like cardinal numbers; they remind me of chess or the middle ages.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #47)

Tue May 14, 2019, 12:47 PM

59. Cardinals are too Catholic for my taste. Long live the Ordinals!

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #59)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:37 PM

61. I also have Cardinals living in my trees - no ordinals yet.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:59 PM

3. However, go to most Arab countries, and you'll find their numerals are different from ours

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Arabic_mathematical_notation . It is possible to say those are "Arabic numerals", and hardly anyone in the west is taught them. Particularly confusing is the symbol for 5, that looks more like a 0. So it can look like this note is literally worthless:

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #3)

Tue May 14, 2019, 12:37 PM

57. Thanks for that!

I wish the US would get over all green bills & go with different colors. Also fewer white men would be nice.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:02 PM

4. Jonah Ryan 2020!

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #4)

Mon May 13, 2019, 07:16 PM

14. Laugh all you want, but a Jonah Ryan could be the next Republican nominee.

Easily.

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #4)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:41 PM

21. as a math teacher I laughed so hard I was about to pee

for that story line.

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #4)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:11 AM

50. roflmaooooo

How to Write a Jonah Insult

https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/how-to-write-a-jonah-ryan-insult-on-veep.html


Jonah: I would just like to point out that the official count cannot be trusted.

Furlong: Oh no, Beautiful Mind-fuck, you are not going to desecrate my convention with any more of this Muslim-math nonsense.

Jonah: How do you explain that when I add up my delegates with Christian math—

Buddy: Amen!


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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:09 PM

5. It's official.

 

We are the stupidest nation on the planet.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:12 PM

6. If I'm unconscious after banging my head against the wall, someone call an ambulance for me. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #6)

Mon May 13, 2019, 07:11 PM

11. What was the number again?

IX I I?

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)

Mon May 13, 2019, 07:12 PM

12. ...

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:24 PM

15. ...

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:53 PM

24. How do I punch those up in my phone?

If I convert the letters to the keypad it would be 4-9-4-4 ?



Help me I'm so confused!

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:00 PM

27. ...

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:53 PM

39. CMXI actually

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Response to Midnightwalk (Reply #39)

Tue May 14, 2019, 10:31 AM

45. LOL! n/t

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:13 PM

7. Oh good grief! We're doomed!

and

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:13 PM

8. There are a lot of english words to get rid of then

because they have Arabic origins like
candy, lemon, chemistry, coffee, massage (Turkish to French), tangerine, tariff, zero... there are a lot more....

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #8)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:56 PM

26. Including 90% of the star and constellation names...

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #26)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:19 PM

34. Oh, there aren't really any stars anyway.

Those are little angels beckoning us toward the great sphere of heaven that surrounds us who are the center of the universe.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #34)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:32 PM

40. oops, yeah I forgot..

Space is fake.
We never landed on the moon.
The earth is flat.
The sun and moon are only 3000 miles away.
Vaccines cause republicanism.
Prayer will cure any disease or condition.

The glass firmament was put there 6000 years ago.

Jeebus rose from the dead and is due back ANY MINUTE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #40)

Mon May 13, 2019, 11:01 PM

42. Oh..uh... I didn't know all that stuff. Just the.. little angels thing.

Good to know there's some reliable education out there.... thanks. I might'a gone ta hell or somewhere bad... like Bakersfield.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #8)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:35 PM

60. oh dear, what a thought.

Open up the dictionary. If it starts with a-l-vowel it might be in danger.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:46 PM

9. Yall watch "Veep"?

MSNBC had writer from Veep on few days ago. He was amazed how politicians seem to mirror the show instead of the other way around. One example was Repub who used splitting logs in his ad. Veep had already done that. Now it seems the same character has spawned more The Onion-like reaction. In last 2 episodes he was against Arabic numerals.

What the fuck is this country coming to?!

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:47 PM

10. How about this.

Umptray isyay ayay igpay.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 07:15 PM

13. Okay fine. Putin, you win.

Take us over. What is the point?

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:29 PM

16. I can think of V good reasons why people don't know that our numbers are Arabic.

Bring back Roman Numerals!

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:29 PM

17. What did they think 10 Commandments meant? nt

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #17)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:54 PM

25. The Reich wing rubes can't count that high...

Home schooled, ya know....

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #25)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:48 AM

54. Not true!

Unless one or more fingers were amputated.

Just don't ask them to count to 20 -- it takes too long for them to take their shoes off!

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #17)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:10 PM

31. Exactly. Both Commandments.

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Response to BadgerKid (Reply #31)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:38 PM

37. Now you have me wondering which two they would like it to be! nt

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:32 PM

18. What this poll really says

is that 56% of Americans don't know what Arabic numerals are. Which is just as bad.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:38 PM

20. Bigotry + ignorance. -- 1,2,3,4,5 Look, morans! Arabic Numerals!!

Conservatives: Lowering the Bar in America Since (at least) 1980.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:49 PM

22. Even worse is they came from India, not the mid-east.

They were only introduced to europeans by arab traders.

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Response to Crash2Parties (Reply #22)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:50 PM

41. That's true!

I was going to say something about this, but I'm glad someone else is in the know!

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 08:52 PM

23. The dumbing down of America..

Repukes plan coming to fruition...

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #23)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:57 AM

63. Actually, the stultification of America

started with Raygun!

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:05 PM

28. It was in the Onion, right?!

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Response to burrowowl (Reply #28)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:10 PM

32. Oh, how we wish it were only in the Onion...

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:06 PM

29. On one hand we have Arabic numerals

On the other we could use Roman numerals

But why do we limit ourselves to those 10 choices?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #29)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:17 PM

33. There are good numbers on both hands. nt

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #29)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:28 PM

35. We could go the way of the Proto Indo-Europeans

They used base 60. It was actually a much more useful system than our base 10.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #29)

Tue May 14, 2019, 12:42 PM

58. LOL

Nice one.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:08 PM

30. Lots of opposition in Brookings, South Dakota.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:33 PM

36. We actually use Western Arabic numerals. Eastern Arabic numerals are different.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #36)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:00 AM

46. yeah the eastern ones are communist

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Response to dsc (Reply #46)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:07 AM

48. LOL

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:46 PM

38. Idiocracy...

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 01:14 AM

44. Bigotry and with a yuge helping of ignorance. Nt

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #44)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:14 AM

51. ahh, the recipe for boiled trumpkins

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:27 AM

52. Down with women's suffrage!

They've suffered enough.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:30 AM

53. That's 1,792 morons...

in Arabic Numerals.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 12:31 PM

55. Count the Wheels!

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 12:33 PM

56. This is why the GOP focused on filling Boards of Education back in the 80s.

They also funded think tanks to craft their message, like trickle-down-economics and Cadillac queens. And they bought up radio stations to broadcast that message. They got jerks like Limbaugh to poke fun at the word liberal, putting pretty much the whole Democratic Party on the defensive. The GOP has been playing the long game.

I wonder how many how voted against Arabic numerals could even write to 10 in Roman numerals, much less 100?

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:48 PM

62. When my doctor gives me my annual senility test

where I have to draw a clock with numbers, I always do them in Roman numerals.

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Response to PupCamo (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 11:05 AM

64. I remember learning what "Arabic" numbers are

In the 4th grade, on the first day of class, we had a math quiz: “In Hindu-Arabic numerals, write down these numbers...” and then she read off a list of 25 numbers.

I had never heard the term before so I figured it was just another name for Roman numerals, and wrote it out that way.

Come on...when you’re nine years old and you live in Idaho in the early 1970s, you have no idea numbers have an official name.

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