Mon May 13, 2019, 05:49 PM
PupCamo (288 posts)
Roman numerals, anyone? Poll suggests bias against Arabic numerals
https://triblive.com/news/roman-numerals-anyone-poll-suggests-bias-against-arabic-numerals/
Who knows exactly what a new poll says about mathematics in America, but the reactions to a recent poll on the topic are a little alarming. When CivicScience, a Pittsburgh-based market research firm, polled more than 3,200 Americans on the issue of mathematics instruction last week, 56% of the respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in American schools; 29% said it should be part of the curriculum, while 16% offered no opinion. Ladies and Gentlemen: The saddest and funniest testament to American bigotry we've ever seen in our data. pic.twitter.com/Bh3FBsl8sR — John Dick (@jdcivicscience) May 11, 2019 Did they realize we’ve been using Arabic numerals for just about everything under the sun since the founding fathers gave us 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights? I can't anymore
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PupCamo | May 2019 | OP |
Eko | May 2019 | #1 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2019 | #49 | |
manor321 | May 2019 | #2 | |
Xipe Totec | May 2019 | #19 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2019 | #47 | |
Xipe Totec | May 2019 | #59 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2019 | #61 | |
central scrutinizer | May 2019 | #43 | |
muriel_volestrangler | May 2019 | #3 | |
CrispyQ | May 2019 | #57 | |
superpatriotman | May 2019 | #4 | |
Yavin4 | May 2019 | #14 | |
dsc | May 2019 | #21 | |
Celerity | May 2019 | #50 | |
smirkymonkey | May 2019 | #5 | |
cynatnite | May 2019 | #6 | |
Saviolo | May 2019 | #11 | |
cynatnite | May 2019 | #12 | |
FailureToCommunicate | May 2019 | #15 | |
Pobeka | May 2019 | #24 | |
sprinkleeninow | May 2019 | #27 | |
Midnightwalk | May 2019 | #39 | |
Pobeka | May 2019 | #45 | |
NurseJackie | May 2019 | #7 | |
defacto7 | May 2019 | #8 | |
AZ8theist | May 2019 | #26 | |
defacto7 | May 2019 | #34 | |
AZ8theist | May 2019 | #40 | |
defacto7 | May 2019 | #42 | |
Sentath | May 2019 | #60 | |
Panich52 | May 2019 | #9 | |
Mendocino | May 2019 | #10 | |
Yavin4 | May 2019 | #13 | |
patphil | May 2019 | #16 | |
JoeOtterbein | May 2019 | #17 | |
AZ8theist | May 2019 | #25 | |
Fritz Walter | May 2019 | #54 | |
BadgerKid | May 2019 | #31 | |
JoeOtterbein | May 2019 | #37 | |
Mr.Bill | May 2019 | #18 | |
Beartracks | May 2019 | #20 | |
Crash2Parties | May 2019 | #22 | |
ProudLib72 | May 2019 | #41 | |
AZ8theist | May 2019 | #23 | |
burrowowl | May 2019 | #63 | |
burrowowl | May 2019 | #28 | |
highplainsdem | May 2019 | #32 | |
sarisataka | May 2019 | #29 | |
NCjack | May 2019 | #33 | |
defacto7 | May 2019 | #35 | |
KatyMan | May 2019 | #58 | |
TexasTowelie | May 2019 | #30 | |
Kaleva | May 2019 | #36 | |
dsc | May 2019 | #46 | |
lagomorph777 | May 2019 | #48 | |
Docreed2003 | May 2019 | #38 | |
BootinUp | May 2019 | #44 | |
Celerity | May 2019 | #51 | |
tazkcmo | May 2019 | #52 | |
HopeAgain | May 2019 | #53 | |
LuvLoogie | May 2019 | #55 | |
CrispyQ | May 2019 | #56 | |
kskiska | May 2019 | #62 | |
jmowreader | May 2019 | #64 |
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:52 PM
Eko (5,509 posts)
1. I cant anymore either.
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Response to Eko (Reply #1)
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:08 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
49. The Reptilian Party is COUNTING on voters to be ignorant.
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:55 PM
manor321 (3,344 posts)
2. Personally I dislike imaginary numbers
I mean, imaginary! That's crazy!
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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:33 PM
Xipe Totec (43,536 posts)
19. And irrationals. Don't get me started
Who wants crazy berserk numbers?
Nobody, that's who. Bad enough that we have prime numbers. What about the rest? Are they somehow inferior? More peasanty? ![]() |
Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #19)
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:04 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
47. So... square root of negative pi would be terrible, right?
I like cardinal numbers; they remind me of chess or the middle ages.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #47)
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:47 PM
Xipe Totec (43,536 posts)
59. Cardinals are too Catholic for my taste. Long live the Ordinals!
Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #59)
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:37 PM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
61. I also have Cardinals living in my trees - no ordinals yet.
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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)
central scrutinizer This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:59 PM
muriel_volestrangler (97,891 posts)
3. However, go to most Arab countries, and you'll find their numerals are different from ours
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Arabic_mathematical_notation . It is possible to say those are "Arabic numerals", and hardly anyone in the west is taught them. Particularly confusing is the symbol for 5, that looks more like a 0. So it can look like this note is literally worthless:
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #3)
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:37 PM
CrispyQ (32,123 posts)
57. Thanks for that!
I wish the US would get over all green bills & go with different colors. Also fewer white men would be nice.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:02 PM
superpatriotman (5,879 posts)
4. Jonah Ryan 2020!
Response to superpatriotman (Reply #4)
Mon May 13, 2019, 07:16 PM
Yavin4 (33,189 posts)
14. Laugh all you want, but a Jonah Ryan could be the next Republican nominee.
Easily.
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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #4)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:41 PM
dsc (51,217 posts)
21. as a math teacher I laughed so hard I was about to pee
for that story line.
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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #4)
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:11 AM
Celerity (29,860 posts)
50. roflmaooooo
How to Write a Jonah Insult
https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/how-to-write-a-jonah-ryan-insult-on-veep.html Jonah: I would just like to point out that the official count cannot be trusted.
Furlong: Oh no, Beautiful Mind-fuck, you are not going to desecrate my convention with any more of this Muslim-math nonsense. Jonah: How do you explain that when I add up my delegates with Christian math— Buddy: Amen! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:09 PM
smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)
5. It's official.
We are the stupidest nation on the planet.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:12 PM
cynatnite (31,011 posts)
6. If I'm unconscious after banging my head against the wall, someone call an ambulance for me. n/t
Response to cynatnite (Reply #6)
Mon May 13, 2019, 07:11 PM
Saviolo (3,094 posts)
11. What was the number again?
IX I I?
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:24 PM
FailureToCommunicate (13,075 posts)
15. ...
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:53 PM
Pobeka (4,475 posts)
24. How do I punch those up in my phone?
If I convert the letters to the keypad it would be 4-9-4-4 ?
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:53 PM
Midnightwalk (3,131 posts)
39. CMXI actually
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:13 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
7. Oh good grief! We're doomed!
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:13 PM
defacto7 (13,485 posts)
8. There are a lot of english words to get rid of then
because they have Arabic origins like
candy, lemon, chemistry, coffee, massage (Turkish to French), tangerine, tariff, zero... there are a lot more.... |
Response to defacto7 (Reply #8)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:56 PM
AZ8theist (4,364 posts)
26. Including 90% of the star and constellation names...
Response to AZ8theist (Reply #26)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:19 PM
defacto7 (13,485 posts)
34. Oh, there aren't really any stars anyway.
Those are little angels beckoning us toward the great sphere of heaven that surrounds us who are the center of the universe.
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Response to defacto7 (Reply #34)
Mon May 13, 2019, 10:32 PM
AZ8theist (4,364 posts)
40. oops, yeah I forgot..
Space is fake.
We never landed on the moon. The earth is flat. The sun and moon are only 3000 miles away. Vaccines cause republicanism. Prayer will cure any disease or condition. The glass firmament was put there 6000 years ago. Jeebus rose from the dead and is due back ANY MINUTE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ![]() |
Response to AZ8theist (Reply #40)
Mon May 13, 2019, 11:01 PM
defacto7 (13,485 posts)
42. Oh..uh... I didn't know all that stuff. Just the.. little angels thing.
Good to know there's some reliable education out there.... thanks. I might'a gone ta hell or somewhere bad... like Bakersfield.
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Response to defacto7 (Reply #8)
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:35 PM
Sentath (2,228 posts)
60. oh dear, what a thought.
Open up the dictionary. If it starts with a-l-vowel it might be in danger.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:46 PM
Panich52 (5,829 posts)
9. Yall watch "Veep"?
MSNBC had writer from Veep on few days ago. He was amazed how politicians seem to mirror the show instead of the other way around. One example was Repub who used splitting logs in his ad. Veep had already done that. Now it seems the same character has spawned more The Onion-like reaction. In last 2 episodes he was against Arabic numerals.
What the fuck is this country coming to?! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 06:47 PM
Mendocino (6,349 posts)
10. How about this.
Umptray isyay ayay igpay.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 07:15 PM
Yavin4 (33,189 posts)
13. Okay fine. Putin, you win.
Take us over. What is the point?
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:29 PM
patphil (3,640 posts)
16. I can think of V good reasons why people don't know that our numbers are Arabic.
Bring back Roman Numerals!
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:29 PM
JoeOtterbein (6,823 posts)
17. What did they think 10 Commandments meant? nt
Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #17)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:54 PM
AZ8theist (4,364 posts)
25. The Reich wing rubes can't count that high...
Home schooled, ya know....
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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #25)
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:48 AM
Fritz Walter (4,036 posts)
54. Not true!
Unless one or more fingers were amputated.
Just don't ask them to count to 20 -- it takes too long for them to take their shoes off! |
Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #17)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:10 PM
BadgerKid (4,427 posts)
31. Exactly. Both Commandments.
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Response to BadgerKid (Reply #31)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:38 PM
JoeOtterbein (6,823 posts)
37. Now you have me wondering which two they would like it to be! nt
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:32 PM
Mr.Bill (16,949 posts)
18. What this poll really says
is that 56% of Americans don't know what Arabic numerals are. Which is just as bad.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:38 PM
Beartracks (11,614 posts)
20. Bigotry + ignorance. -- 1,2,3,4,5 Look, morans! Arabic Numerals!!
Conservatives: Lowering the Bar in America Since (at least) 1980.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:49 PM
Crash2Parties (2,859 posts)
22. Even worse is they came from India, not the mid-east.
They were only introduced to europeans by arab traders.
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Response to Crash2Parties (Reply #22)
Mon May 13, 2019, 10:50 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
41. That's true!
I was going to say something about this, but I'm glad someone else is in the know!
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:52 PM
AZ8theist (4,364 posts)
23. The dumbing down of America..
Repukes plan coming to fruition...
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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #23)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:57 AM
burrowowl (15,862 posts)
63. Actually, the stultification of America
started with Raygun!
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:05 PM
burrowowl (15,862 posts)
28. It was in the Onion, right?!
Response to burrowowl (Reply #28)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:10 PM
highplainsdem (37,719 posts)
32. Oh, how we wish it were only in the Onion...
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:06 PM
sarisataka (14,117 posts)
29. On one hand we have Arabic numerals
On the other we could use Roman numerals
But why do we limit ourselves to those 10 choices? |
Response to sarisataka (Reply #29)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:17 PM
NCjack (9,668 posts)
33. There are good numbers on both hands. nt
Response to sarisataka (Reply #29)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:28 PM
defacto7 (13,485 posts)
35. We could go the way of the Proto Indo-Europeans
They used base 60. It was actually a much more useful system than our base 10.
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #29)
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:42 PM
KatyMan (3,624 posts)
58. LOL
Nice one.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:08 PM
TexasTowelie (93,725 posts)
30. Lots of opposition in Brookings, South Dakota.
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:33 PM
Kaleva (30,612 posts)
36. We actually use Western Arabic numerals. Eastern Arabic numerals are different.
Response to Kaleva (Reply #36)
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:00 AM
dsc (51,217 posts)
46. yeah the eastern ones are communist
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:46 PM
Docreed2003 (14,187 posts)
38. Idiocracy...
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Tue May 14, 2019, 01:14 AM
BootinUp (42,435 posts)
44. Bigotry and with a yuge helping of ignorance. Nt
Response to BootinUp (Reply #44)
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:14 AM
Celerity (29,860 posts)
51. ahh, the recipe for boiled trumpkins
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:27 AM
tazkcmo (6,989 posts)
52. Down with women's suffrage!
They've suffered enough.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:30 AM
HopeAgain (4,407 posts)
53. That's 1,792 morons...
in Arabic Numerals.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:31 PM
LuvLoogie (5,955 posts)
55. Count the Wheels!
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:33 PM
CrispyQ (32,123 posts)
56. This is why the GOP focused on filling Boards of Education back in the 80s.
They also funded think tanks to craft their message, like trickle-down-economics and Cadillac queens. And they bought up radio stations to broadcast that message. They got jerks like Limbaugh to poke fun at the word liberal, putting pretty much the whole Democratic Party on the defensive. The GOP has been playing the long game.
I wonder how many how voted against Arabic numerals could even write to 10 in Roman numerals, much less 100? |
Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:48 PM
kskiska (26,753 posts)
62. When my doctor gives me my annual senility test
where I have to draw a clock with numbers, I always do them in Roman numerals.
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Response to PupCamo (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 11:05 AM
jmowreader (47,417 posts)
64. I remember learning what "Arabic" numbers are
In the 4th grade, on the first day of class, we had a math quiz: “In Hindu-Arabic numerals, write down these numbers...” and then she read off a list of 25 numbers.
I had never heard the term before so I figured it was just another name for Roman numerals, and wrote it out that way. Come on...when you’re nine years old and you live in Idaho in the early 1970s, you have no idea numbers have an official name. |