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underpants

(182,604 posts)
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:02 AM May 2019

(Medal of Freedom awardee) Tiger, girlfriend named in wrongful death lawsuit


Tiger Woods, restaurant manager Erica Herman, who is Woods' girlfriend, and The Woods restaurant in Jupiter, Florida, are being sued for the wrongful death of an employee, who after working a shift in December drank alcohol at the restaurant before being killed in a car crash.

Nicholas Immesberger had a blood alcohol reading of .256

Immesberger was a bartender at The Woods, and the suit alleges that Woods, Herman and other employees were aware that Immesberger had a drinking problem but regularly overserved him during and after his work shifts.

The lawsuit alleges that Woods and Herman were "drinking with him at The Woods bar only a few nights before the fatal crash of December 10, 2018.''

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/26740827/tiger-girlfriend-named-wrongful-death-lawsuit
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(Medal of Freedom awardee) Tiger, girlfriend named in wrongful death lawsuit (Original Post) underpants May 2019 OP
I smell a pardon! (orange scented). nt Maine-i-acs May 2019 #1
I don't think a pardon would be available (not federal). Ilsa May 2019 #14
Correct, plus it is a civil suit treestar May 2019 #16
then a flurry of tweets to his defense will begin Maine-i-acs May 2019 #18
This wouldn't work in Kansas. mahatmakanejeeves May 2019 #2
Sounds like the Kansas SC doesn't know what courts are for. GeorgeGist May 2019 #3
Kansas needs to get on it! RANDYWILDMAN May 2019 #4
That's a warning to stay off the roads in Kansas after 5PM as drivers can be drunk AF. TheBlackAdder May 2019 #5
Florida has a drinking problem. Baitball Blogger May 2019 #6
I'm assuming, since the article doesn't explicitly say, rsdsharp May 2019 #7
The AP article says that Woods is the owner FakeNoose May 2019 #8
Thank you. rsdsharp May 2019 #10
The parents see a HUGE settlement from Woods. madinmaryland May 2019 #15
Wait, the guy was an adult, right? Sorry, parents, but your son killed himself. yellowcanine May 2019 #9
Isn't there a law against serving alcohol to the obviously intoxicated? MH1 May 2019 #11
The victim was an employee at the bar - he served himself FakeNoose May 2019 #12
Tiger apparently destroyed evidence as well. Johonny May 2019 #13
Your post intrigued and I found this on ESPN underpants May 2019 #17
No evidence of that. former9thward May 2019 #19

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
14. I don't think a pardon would be available (not federal).
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:21 PM
May 2019

Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
18. then a flurry of tweets to his defense will begin
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:57 PM
May 2019

sounds like another witch hunt underway. watch the oranges of this one. the oranges, oranges.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
2. This wouldn't work in Kansas.
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:13 AM
May 2019
Court: Kansas bars can't be sued by drunken driving victims
Associated Press
Posted 21 hrs ago

KANSAS CITY, KS (AP) -- The Kansas Supreme Court says victims injured by drunken drivers can't sue the bars that served them.

KCUR-FM reports that the high court's ruling on Friday comes in the case of Jeff Kudlacik, who was placed in a medically induced coma and faced months of rehabilitation following a car accident involving a drunken driver in 2015.

The driver who hit Kudlacik, Michael Smith, had a blood alcohol content of nearly 0.18, which is more than twice the legal level of impairment in Kansas.

Kudlacik sued the two bars that served Smith before the accident. ... But the Supreme Court says it's bound by a 1985 case that found Kansas doesn't have a law allowing victims of drunken driving accidents to hold alcohol vendors accountable for their patrons. ... The court says it's up to the Legislature to change the rule.

Copyright 2019 The Associated Press.

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
5. That's a warning to stay off the roads in Kansas after 5PM as drivers can be drunk AF.
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:10 AM
May 2019

.

The nefarious side hints that LEOs love this law, as they can stake out a bar and nail drunkards that would have been flagged in other states, but are allowed to get completely shitfaced before hitting the road.

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rsdsharp

(9,137 posts)
7. I'm assuming, since the article doesn't explicitly say,
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:16 AM
May 2019

that Tiger Woods owns the restaurant. Otherwise, I can see no basis for him to be named in a dram shop case.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
8. The AP article says that Woods is the owner
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:40 AM
May 2019

His lady-friend is the executive manager of the bar/restaurant. They are both being sued by the parents. I never understand in these cases, why don't the bar owners sue the parents for raising an alcoholic son?

rsdsharp

(9,137 posts)
10. Thank you.
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:55 AM
May 2019

Sadly, the ESPN article was silent on that point. I guess you were just supposed to intuit his ownership from the name of the restaurant.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
15. The parents see a HUGE settlement from Woods.
Tue May 14, 2019, 05:51 PM
May 2019

$100 million maybe. I’m sure it will be settled for far less. Money buys lawyers.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
9. Wait, the guy was an adult, right? Sorry, parents, but your son killed himself.
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:54 AM
May 2019

No one forced your son to get drunk and then get into a car and drive drunk. Your son did that. Own it.

MH1

(17,573 posts)
11. Isn't there a law against serving alcohol to the obviously intoxicated?
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:02 PM
May 2019

If they broke the law by serving alcohol to the guy, they broke the law.

There's probably a reasonable case to be made for culpability even if there isn't a law, if the guy was shitfaced and everyone could see it.

It's well known that after a few drinks (sometimes even one), some people lose the capacity for making the decision to cut themselves off, or to not drive.

Meanwhile, the business owner is supposed to be responsible, not under the influence themselves, and have no excuse for the poor decision to continue serving more poison to someone who is at risk of killing themselves or someone else.

The lack of empathy for addiction here, is somewhat surprising to me.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
12. The victim was an employee at the bar - he served himself
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:37 PM
May 2019

He's also an alcoholic according to the AP story, so the owner (Tiger Woods) made a mistake in hiring the wrong person. But it's not the bar owner's fault that the guy got himself drunk and then drove a car. Tiger Woods isn't this kid's parent.

underpants

(182,604 posts)
17. Your post intrigued and I found this on ESPN
Tue May 14, 2019, 06:22 PM
May 2019

"One of the most significant issues we have here is the destruction of evidence," attorney Spencer Kuvin said Tuesday. "Obviously it shows that somebody knew something had gone wrong and they wanted to get rid of that evidence. We have evidence to show that that videotape, showing Nick at the bar that night after he got off at 3 p.m., drinking for three hours at the bar, was destroyed shortly after the crash had occurred.

"So we have through our investigation uncovered evidence to show that the bar knew what happened, they knew about the crash that night and shortly thereafter that video evidence was destroyed and deleted off the servers they had there at The Woods."

former9thward

(31,936 posts)
19. No evidence of that.
Tue May 14, 2019, 11:01 PM
May 2019

Do you really think Tiger Woods was sitting around destroying video tape evidence? There may of been some manager doing that but Woods would have had no knowledge of that. Of course on the internet evidence is not needed.

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