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Wed May 15, 2019, 08:08 AM

If the gop stacks the courts, why stop at Roe? Are they going to overturn Abolition of Slavery?

The American Taliban is forcing their Sharia Law on the entire country.

But it's Unconstitutional, you say? Not if enough dishonest or bought and sold Christian taliban judges say it isn't.

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Reply If the gop stacks the courts, why stop at Roe? Are they going to overturn Abolition of Slavery? (Original post)
NightWatcher May 2019 OP
RKP5637 May 2019 #1
LonePirate May 2019 #2
ETStevens May 2019 #3
ehrnst May 2019 #17
SlogginThroughIt May 2019 #4
NewJeffCT May 2019 #5
CanonRay May 2019 #6
bitterross May 2019 #7
Wounded Bear May 2019 #8
sarisataka May 2019 #9
fescuerescue May 2019 #20
ChoppinBroccoli May 2019 #10
deminks May 2019 #11
bobbieinok May 2019 #12
maxsolomon May 2019 #13
spanone May 2019 #14
StarfishSaver May 2019 #15
UTUSN May 2019 #16
ehrnst May 2019 #18
onenote May 2019 #19
ecstatic May 2019 #21
BigDemVoter May 2019 #22
lindysalsagal May 2019 #23

Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:14 AM

1. Sadly, I think that's their plan ... to overturn civil rights as much as they can. They are

a deceitful bunch and dangerous as hell to the survival of a democracy. And tRump is a nutcase. Creating chaos and destruction is a fun time for him. He gets off on it. Far too many IMO still don't/can't comprehend what a narcissistic sociopath is.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:15 AM

2. Banning abortion is forcing indentured servitude on women, so it's well under way.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:18 AM

3. They already have economic slavery

 

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Response to ETStevens (Reply #3)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:27 AM

17. Don't compare *anything* to actual enslavement of African Americans by this country,

 

or forced childbearing.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:21 AM

4. We already have slavery in this country.

 

Nobody saw this trick.

The slave owners of today just donít have to feed and house and cloth their workers. They just have to pay them a less than a livable wage so that they do that for themselves and they come back to work for them day after day after day.....

How we can pay people less than a livable wage and call it anything but a modern take on slavery is beyond me. Gone are the physical whips and chains but if you look closely it is all still there.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:25 AM

5. They would need an amendment to overturn the ban on slavery

a lot higher bar than overturning a SCOTUS decision.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:34 AM

6. Griswold v Connecticut will be next

followed by Brown v Board of Education. Birth control and equal access to school.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:41 AM

7. We already have slavery. This is about subjugating women.

 

The abortion bans are about forcing women to have children so they must remain out of the work force. Most studies show that one of the major disparities for women's pay over the long-term is because women take time out to care for children.

I'm vastly oversimplifying the facts here but what happens is, women who take time out of their jobs to have and raise kids lose valuable experience/time on important, high-visibility projects, etc. that the men get in their place. The men get the experience and the face-time and the accolades because they are able to stay in the office and work.

The idea the GOP has is to force child-bearing and child-raising upon women (child-raising because day-care is often more expensive than what the woman can earn so they stay home). Between these two things it takes women out of the workforce. They become economically dependent upon men. That's whole idea make women subordinate to the master of the house.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:48 AM

8. This is the tip of the iceberg...

"Slavery" won't be returned, but don't be surprised if challenges to things like minimum wage and family leave laws are brought. They've effectively diminished the unions, so most of our advances in the job market will be under attack.

It's libertarian heaven, getting judges who are strict 'constructionists' that want to overturn all progressive actions since 1932, if not 1898.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 09:08 AM

9. Abolition cannot be "overturned"

Since it was not done by SCOTUS ruling but by Amendment. Prior to that it would have been impossible for SCOTUS to rule slavery unconstitutional. An Amendment is an integral part of the Constitution so abolition cannot be found unconstitutional.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #9)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:51 PM

20. Don't kid yourself

All it takes is a SC ruling that says the 13th amendment has exceptions.

They could rule that "common sense exceptions" are applicable. They could rule that people could "voluntarily" choose to become slaves for some payment (significant or otherwise).

It's important to remember that the constitution ONLY says what the Supreme Court says it says.

Having said that. I think all this is silly talk. As much as I dislike Trump, I really don't think he's trying to restore slavery, but it does make for good rhetoric.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 09:19 AM

10. Why Don't They Just Get It Overwith And Declare Themselves "Winners For Life"?

Because that's what this is all leading up to. All the gerrymandering and electoral fraud and all the other crap they're doing to steal elections, and then using their majorities to change laws and pack courts in order to uphold all of it is just a prelude to what they REALLY want: a law declaring the Republican Party the winners of EVERY election from here to eternity. My only question is why they just don't do it. With all the other half-measures they've been using for years, you know that's what they WANT. Now that they control everything, why don't they just ram that through too? Be like every other fascist regime and declare the opposition Party illegal.

Say what you will about how you think even THEIR voters would reject that as being un-American, but I know for a 100% solid gold FACT that they could propose a bill requiring all their voters to eat dogshit and call it pancakes, and the vast, vast, VAST majority of their voters would happily break out the syrup.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 09:23 AM

11. They will suspend the constitution, declare a national emergency, and rule for life.

Remember W thought it was just a g..d....d piece of paper. He woulda if he coulda. Donnie will 'cause it makes him look manly to Pootey,

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 09:57 AM

12. Haven't GOPsenators asked fed judge candidates about 54 BrownvsBoard

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:00 AM

13. this is the 2nd topic on which they've subverted the will of the majority

gun regulations was the 1st. laws across the nation have been challenged and overturned by concealed & open carry advocates.

where has gun freedom got us?

where will fetus freedom get us?

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:13 AM

14. They have already stacked the courts. Gorsuch was a stolen seat.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:26 AM

15. Slavery wasn't abolished by the courts, so there's nothing to overturn

But your point is well-taken. There are plenty of things that COULD be overturned, like Brown v. Board of Education (which several of Trump's judicial nominees refuse to say was correctly decided ...), Loving v. Virginia (interracial marriage), U.S. v. Windsor (gay marriage), Shelley v. Kramer (restrictive covenants in housing), Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (poll taxes), etc.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:27 AM

16. K&R

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:29 AM

18. That's hyperbole, also there is a constitutional amendment that would have to be overturned

 

That kind of statement won't help us any more than the GOP saying that if we allow gay marriage, then that opens to door to allowing pedophilia and marriage to animals.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #18)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:03 PM

19. So much hyperbole on this thread, so serious thought.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:19 PM

21. No need. They have the prison system for that.

The 13th Amendment of the US Constitution, adopted in 1865, explicitly allows penal labor as it states that "neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." (33)(34) Unconvicted detainees awaiting trial cannot be forced to participate in forced rehabilitative labor programs in prison as it violates the Thirteenth Amendment.

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From 2010 to 2015(40) and again in 2016(41) and 2018(42), some prisoners in the US refused to work, protesting for better pay, better conditions and for the end of forced labor. Strike leaders have been punished with indefinite solitary confinement.(43)(44) Forced prison labour occurs in both public and private prisons. The prison labour industry makes over $1 billion per year selling products that inmates make, while inmates are paid very little or nothing in return.(45) In California, 2,500 incarcerated workers fight wildfires for $1 an hour, saving the state as much as $100 million a year. (46)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labour

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:24 PM

22. I wouldn't put one goddamned thing past those fuckers.

They have already proven themselves capable of ANYTHING. If this country is ever going to get on the right track again, we're going to have to have some kind of truth and reconciliation program so these fuckers are forced to confess. Oh right. That will never fucking happen.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:25 PM

23. I was just wondering what they'd steal after getting roe? They won't stop until

they've burned all heathens at the stake.

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