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Wed May 15, 2019, 12:12 PM

White House counsel to House Dems: No "do-over" on Trump investigations

White House counsel Pat Cipollone said that Congress has no right to a "do-over" of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation and other investigations undertaken by the Justice Department in a letter sent to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) on Wednesday.

Why it matters: Cipollone's letter will further escalate the war between the Trump administration and House Democrats, who are attempting to obtain the unredacted copy of Mueller's report as well as access to the sources and witnesses that helped to form its conclusions.

The key quote from Cipollone's letter:

"Congressional investigations are intended to obtain information to aid in evaluating potential legislation, not to harass political opponents or to pursue an unauthorized 'do-over' of exhaustive law enforcement investigations conducted by the Department of Justice."
The big picture: While the letter does not invoke executive privilege over any of the documents requested ó and leaves the door open to a more narrow request from House Democrats ó White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said last week that President Trump "has no other option than to make a protective assertion of executive privilege" over the full, unredacted Mueller report itself.


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Reply White House counsel to House Dems: No "do-over" on Trump investigations (Original post)
spanone May 2019 OP
Shrike47 May 2019 #1
spanone May 2019 #2
Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #27
NewJeffCT May 2019 #3
A DAY IN THE LIFE May 2019 #4
Wellstone ruled May 2019 #5
ETStevens May 2019 #6
Chin music May 2019 #7
elleng May 2019 #8
Doreen May 2019 #9
muntrv May 2019 #10
uponit7771 May 2019 #11
spanone May 2019 #12
uponit7771 May 2019 #14
spanone May 2019 #15
DeminPennswoods May 2019 #17
uponit7771 May 2019 #18
DeminPennswoods May 2019 #34
oasis May 2019 #13
GoCubsGo May 2019 #16
malaise May 2019 #19
a kennedy May 2019 #21
woodsprite May 2019 #28
malaise May 2019 #31
Volaris May 2019 #20
Tom Rinaldo May 2019 #22
Nevilledog May 2019 #23
ScratchCat May 2019 #24
EffieBlack May 2019 #25
Thomas Hurt May 2019 #26
Baitball Blogger May 2019 #29
VOX May 2019 #30
anarch May 2019 #32
LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2019 #33
kentuck May 2019 #35

Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:17 PM

1. Like the White House gets to make the rules?

No do-overs on Hillary Clinton?

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #1)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:20 PM

2. They are basically telling the house dems to go fuck themselves they will get nothing.

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Response to spanone (Reply #2)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:25 PM

27. And as long as 45 million Americans are no good FUCKING TRAITORS, they will get away with it

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:20 PM

3. How many "do overs" did Republicans get

with Benghazi? 8?
with Vince Foster? 6?

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:21 PM

4. Then give them the unredacted mueller report and

 

Trump's taxes. Oh, and Barr's resignation.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:23 PM

5. It is becoming more

 

apparent by the day that,the John Birch Society wannabe's and the Libertarian Tea Party have joined forces to cripple the norms of our Government.

Sure looks like Steve Bannon is a the heart of this garbage.
This is the DU member formerly known as Wellstone ruled.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:26 PM

6. Time to Get Ruthless

 

Arrest them if they disobey the law and start impeachment!

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:27 PM

7. Please Congress

get up to speed on denying monies to fund these things. That's an inherent power for a reason. NO gop will lift a finger without getting paid. Getting paid from gop donors sounds like a private investigation, not sufficient use of govt resources and staff. STOP PAYING (Putting quarters in the ass kicking machine), They'd do t to us....in a heartbeat. Trying times these.
We haven't even heard the full mueller report yet. We're essentially talking a trumps word for an investigation of themselves. That's not how justice is doled out here in the United States. We need complete disclosure of the mueller report THEN we'll decide on the next step. Bc, WE are the People, Atricle One, and WE pay the taxes and elect folks to represent our desires. WE the People are tired of gop largese on the backs of Americans while we can't even get funds for healthcare and good roads and bridges and water.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:33 PM

8. Looks like this is warm up for court test:

'"Congressional investigations are intended to obtain information to aid in evaluating potential legislation.'

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:33 PM

9. Well, that is just fine.

Even a report came out I have a feeling they never actually closed it. They said no "do over" but nothing about "no continuation."
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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:35 PM

10. Use the power of the purse, Congress.

This is the DU member formerly known as muntrv.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:35 PM

11. They can talk all they want to now, let them go against court orders ... then we'll see.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:36 PM

12. I fully expect they will.

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Response to spanone (Reply #12)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:39 PM

14. THEN ... dems can technically call things a constitutional crisis. I don't think even Red Don's ...

... I don't think even Red Don's sycophants are going to be able to cogently* defend going against the judicial and congressional branches.

We'll see ...

Nixon's started dropping when things went to court ... we'll see

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #14)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:41 PM

15. I think nixon, evil as he was, respected the courts and law....trump? not so much.

as you say, we'll see.

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Response to spanone (Reply #15)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:45 PM

17. So far, they have respected court decisions

I suspect the reason Jr caved on appearing is the threat of a contempt citation that had enough teeth to put him in the slammer.

They are obviously spoiling for a fight or to push Dems into impeachment hearings, but they should be careful what they wish for here.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #17)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:49 PM

18. +1, if we watch what they do and not what they say they've not bumped against the courts too ...

... much from the beginning of he and Putin's reign.

They are obviously spoiling for a fight or to push Dems into impeachment hearings, but they should be careful what they wish for here.


THIS !!!

I don't trust for a split second these guys know what they're doing when it comes to impeachment, they're bluffing ... and they're stupid.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #18)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:48 PM

34. Stupid and arrogant

generally a bad combination.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:38 PM

13. We'll just see about that shit.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:44 PM

16. Awww, bless their hearts!

They think this is a "do-over." How precious! No, you fucking assholes. They want to see what's been done already, and what you are doing your damnedest to try to hide from the American people. Go fuck yourselves.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:56 PM

19. Congress runs Congress

The House will get the unredacted Mueller Report.

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Response to malaise (Reply #19)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:07 PM

21. They better damn it......I am just sick and tired of this deny, deny, deny.

I WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN AND I WANT IT NOW.....not after itís been back and forth through the courts. I WANT ACTION NOW. Prison, huge fines something. I just donít think I can wait until Election Day when the fat orange ass gets kicked out of my house.

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Response to malaise (Reply #19)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:30 PM

28. Oh, Malaise! You have so much more faith in the process than I can muster right now.

Some days I'm OK, but those days are getting fewer and fewer as the time wears on.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #28)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:01 PM

31. Impeachment proceedings are coming

Won't be long

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:06 PM

20. Lol then the Dems answer should be very simple:

We're investigating a piece of legislation that says a sitting president can be indicted, but need more information before we can decide if such a bill is warranted. There. Bar met. Now do as you're told, or fuck off and go to jail.

Smdh what dopes his lawyers are...

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:13 PM

22. There are multiple ways of fighting back to this, but Impeachment is bullet proof.

It is the constitutionally identified remedy for Congress to pursue if it feels the grounds exist to remove a president for office, and an impeachment inquiry is a means to gather and evaluate evidence toward that end.

Cipollone wrote: "Congressional investigations are intended to obtain information to aid in evaluating potential legislation..."

Impeachment is a constitutionally identified role that falls on Congress to pursue when it feels it to be warranted. It does not involve "evaluating potential legislation".

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:14 PM

23. How can they exert executive privilege over something they haven't seen?

WH denies seeing the full report or the underlying evidence. You can't cry executive privilege over information you allegedly have never seen. Makes their argument even more ludicrous.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:16 PM

24. Sigh...

Neither the Executive Branch nor the Judicial Branch get to decide what "legislative purposes" means. Its up to Congress to define that if there is supposed to be a limit.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:17 PM

25. I love how the House letting these people hang themselves with their own rope

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:21 PM

26. Oversight and impeachment hearings are not a do over of the same thing.

Lying sack...

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:33 PM

29. Trump to House:

I am neutering your congressional authority. Accept the Barr-slanted opinion on the Mueller case or I'll burn your house down like a Mad Queen riding a fiery dragon.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:34 PM

30. "No do-overs"? WTF is this, grammar school? And it's to "not harass political opponents"???

HARASSMENT is Trump's stock-in-trade. It's all he's got, badmouthing everyone and everything, constantly.

White House counsel Pat Cipollone is a personal friend of Laura Ingraham, for what that's worth. Another deplorable asshole in the mix.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:04 PM

32. they are basically just seizing power at this point, and saying "what are you gonna do about it?"

"Oh, that's right, nothing, because we control the Senate and the courts! And the Army too, when it comes down to it..."

So, here we are. What indeed are we gonna do?

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:24 PM

33. Since when is the WH alowed to tell Congress what the purpose of its investigations is limited to?

Cipollone: "Congressional investigations are intended to obtain information to aid in evaluating potential legislation, not to harass political opponents or to pursue an unauthorized 'do-over' of exhaustive law enforcement investigations conducted by the Department of Justice."

As an independent and co-equal branch of government, Congress can determines how it does its business, and what investigations it considers necessary to determine whether the country is safe under the stewardship of a man who has been described as a possible Russian asset.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:16 PM

35. Bull!

The Democrats were in the minority until February of this year. They took control of the House after Trump ended his government shutdown. So they have been in control for less than 4 months.


Before that, Mueller was doing his investigation and Republicans were in charge of the House.

There is no "do-over"!

They are doing it the first time.

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