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Wed May 15, 2019, 02:49 PM

So... will miscarriages be investigated by the police?

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Reply So... will miscarriages be investigated by the police? (Original post)
ecstatic May 2019 OP
FarPoint May 2019 #1
ecstatic May 2019 #4
FarPoint May 2019 #16
FarPoint May 2019 #17
MineralMan May 2019 #2
Midnight Writer May 2019 #27
CaliforniaPeggy May 2019 #3
LuvNewcastle May 2019 #5
Collimator May 2019 #6
WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #7
Clash City Rocker May 2019 #8
WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #10
DBoon May 2019 #9
WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #11
ecstatic May 2019 #15
Hekate May 2019 #26
Hassler May 2019 #12
LiberalFighter May 2019 #13
TheBlackAdder May 2019 #14
Eugene May 2019 #18
SlogginThroughIt May 2019 #19
in2herbs May 2019 #21
anarch May 2019 #20
applegrove May 2019 #22
Algernon Moncrieff May 2019 #24
applegrove May 2019 #25
Algernon Moncrieff May 2019 #23

Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:54 PM

1. What do you think?

This is your thread...you go first please.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:01 PM

4. I'm just wondering how far the GOP has thought this through.

Let's say a woman finds out she's pregnant, then miscarries a short time later. Will her Obgyn be required to report it to the police? Will an investigation ensue, especially if she didn't seem happy to learn about the pregnancy?

A woman learns of her pregnancy while miscarrying--does the ER report her to the police?

How exactly will these laws be enforced?

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:29 PM

16. They only think far enough to secure a vote....

Just listen to trump if you can regarding abortion....lies to be inflammatory...saying at delivery the babies are executed....attatching Democrats to this message....Heck, the GOP uses the services too....won't admit it....it's all about pandering to a voting block...

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:31 PM

17. Good possibility they go to jail ....

Case goes to Court...depending on the state's " new statue" after the Supreme Court rules.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:00 PM

2. Not in my state.

Alabama? Maybe, baby...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Thu May 16, 2019, 01:19 AM

27. Exactly. It will be about where you live, who you know, and how much you make. As usual.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:00 PM

3. There's NO WAY IN HELL!

We don't live in a police state--yet.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:02 PM

5. God performs more abortions than anybody,

hands down!
This is the DU member formerly known as LuvNewcastle.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:02 PM

6. Samantha Bee has made that point.

Of course, if those super-duper-pro "lifers" were really serious, they would start investigating nocturnal emissions and other instances of wasted sperm. *

*Yes, this recalls Reese's Witherspoon's arguments in "Legally Blonde". It also brings to mind the song, "Every Sperm Is Sacred" in the Monty Python movie, "The Meaning of Life."

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:03 PM

7. That's already happened to some women, so, yes. It's time to build solidarity with the communities

who have been facing this kind of overreach for years already.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:04 PM

8. That really happens in some third world countries

There are women in prison right now because they had a miscarriage.

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #8)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:07 PM

10. It happens in this country, too.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:05 PM

9. if the laws holds, yes, and women of color will be the primary target

Along with white women of "low status" or "shady morals"

It will be a selective instrument of persecution.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #9)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:08 PM

11. The people you name are already targeted.

Melissa Ann Rowland of Utah was charged with murder after one of her twins was stillborn - because she refused a c-section.: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mom-arrested-after-utah-stillbirth

Purvi Patel of Indiana was sentenced to 20 years in prison for feticide. She said she had a miscarriage, and no traces of any abortifacent were found in her blood work: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/02/it-isnt-justice-for-purvi-patel-to-serve-20-years-in-prison-for-an-abortion

Angela Carder was 27 years old, 26 weeks pregnant, and had cancer. She was forced to undergo a c-section to try to save the pregnancy despite the risk to her health. It failed and Carder died: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/08/opinion/the-fruit-of-angela-carder-s-agony.html

Rennie Gibbs of Mississippi was 16 years old when she delivered a stillborn baby - she was indicted on charges of "depraved heart murder" after accusations that she used drugs: https://www.propublica.org/article/stillborn-child-charge-of-murder-and-disputed-case-law-on-fetal-harm

A woman in Louisiana was jailed on charges of second-degree murder after she went to the hospital for unexplained vaginal bleeding. It was over a year before medical records showed that she had a miscarriage: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/opinion/pregnant-and-no-civil-rights.html?smid=fb-share

Bei Bei Shuai lost her pregnancy after she tried to kill herself - within a half hour a homicide detective was questioning her. She was arrested for murder: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/05/18/153026015/bail-granted-for-indiana-woman-charged-in-attempted-feticide

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #11)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:28 PM

15. Wow! All of these cases should have been covered non-stop by national news!

Maybe we wouldn't be at this point right now.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #11)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:50 AM

26. This should be its own OP

Thank you

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:08 PM

12. Only poor, minority women. The blonde people will get a pass.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:11 PM

13. I think it has happened in some places already.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:14 PM

14. The Cooch Cops.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:31 PM

18. The Georgia bill calls for just that according to critics.

Women could get up to 30 years in prison for having a miscarriage under Georgia's harsh new abortion law

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-30-years-prison-miscarriage-georgia-abortion-2019-5

The Cruel Genius of Georgia's Abortion Ban

The six-week ban hides a personhood law within it—which means people could be prosecuted and sentenced to prison for miscarriages and even legal abortions obtained in another state.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bj9jm5/georgia-heartbeat-abortion-ban-personhood-law

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Women in the United States have been sporadically prosecuted for negligent homicide in the past for miscarriages.

30 years is the common penalty in El Salvador, where abortion is illegal in all circumstances.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:02 PM

19. These new laws are for one purpose

These new laws are for one purpose to get abortion in front of the USSC and hope that they will shoot down some of the things in the bill while narrowly ruling on whether or not abortion should be able to be banned at the federal level. They want to use the interstate commerce law to do it. They will try to turn it into a states rights issue. They have been mounting this tactic for decades.

We fight about super delegates.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #19)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:28 PM

21. I believe that they will try to turn abortion into a state's right issue but there's a problem with

that happening, IMO, and that is with insurance. If Roe is turned over to states, and unless the insurance industry is required to pay for this medical procedure to be performed in a state other than where the patient lives, the insurance company will effectively be denying the woman the right to choice. These states may be what they want but it opens up a whole other can or worms.

The best way to attack this is to GOTV and vote these legislators out of office. FuX news can't hire all of them!

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:07 PM

20. that's the idea--at least the threat of it

and the capability of the state to prosecute (persecute?) in such circumstances--if there were any "suspicious circumstances" or if you just need a pretext to invade peoples' privacy. Of course any other crime they turned up would also presumably be prosecuted, depending on the target.

Eventually, if the Christo-fascist MAGAts have their way over the long term, I can see state laws being passed that would require women to be investigated if they are of child-bearing age and do not have any children, or not enough (white) children.


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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:18 AM

22. 10 to 20% of known pregnancies result in miscarriages. There are 4 million

births a year in the US. So 20% of that is 800,000. So while the police are investigating those events, Maybe they could investigate rape kits and test them for you know rapists? There were 6000 murders in America's biggest cities in 2017. So good luck investigating 800,000 miscarriages.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #22)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:31 AM

24. I think that may be what Pat Robertson meant when he said that the law went too far

The hard-core anti-abortion advocates want to end the rape & incest exceptions and be skeptical of every miscarriage, because (in their mind) these three things will be offered up (in their minds) as excuses to justify abortions. There is no way the war on miscarriage will survive scrutiny. It's too common.

Every action creates an equal and opposite reaction, so those white men who voted for this should not be stunned if they lose office.

Re: Rape kits - http://www.endthebacklog.org/about-us/our-partners

http://www.endthebacklog.org/about-us/shelved-psa-campaign

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #24)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:34 AM

25. Yes and i just saw somewhere that support to end aborts is beteen 20 and 30 percent or so. Not a maj

So there is that. Evangelicals will go to the polls but we weren't counting on them anyhow.

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:23 AM

23. If a woman has an IUD, and is from out of state, and gets in a car wreck in Mobile

Will she be prosecuted under Alabama law? My guess is "yes."

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