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(12,288 posts)This is your thread...you go first please.
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)Let's say a woman finds out she's pregnant, then miscarries a short time later. Will her Obgyn be required to report it to the police? Will an investigation ensue, especially if she didn't seem happy to learn about the pregnancy?
A woman learns of her pregnancy while miscarrying--does the ER report her to the police?
How exactly will these laws be enforced?
FarPoint
(12,288 posts)Just listen to trump if you can regarding abortion....lies to be inflammatory...saying at delivery the babies are executed....attatching Democrats to this message....Heck, the GOP uses the services too....won't admit it....it's all about pandering to a voting block...
FarPoint
(12,288 posts)Case goes to Court...depending on the state's " new statue" after the Supreme Court rules.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)Alabama? Maybe, baby...
Midnight Writer
(21,715 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,525 posts)We don't live in a police state--yet.
LuvNewcastle
(16,834 posts)hands down!
Collimator
(1,639 posts)Of course, if those super-duper-pro "lifers" were really serious, they would start investigating nocturnal emissions and other instances of wasted sperm. *
*Yes, this recalls Reese's Witherspoon's arguments in "Legally Blonde". It also brings to mind the song, "Every Sperm Is Sacred" in the Monty Python movie, "The Meaning of Life."
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,308 posts)who have been facing this kind of overreach for years already.
Clash City Rocker
(3,389 posts)There are women in prison right now because they had a miscarriage.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,308 posts)DBoon
(22,340 posts)Along with white women of "low status" or "shady morals"
It will be a selective instrument of persecution.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,308 posts)Purvi Patel of Indiana was sentenced to 20 years in prison for feticide. She said she had a miscarriage, and no traces of any abortifacent were found in her blood work: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/02/it-isnt-justice-for-purvi-patel-to-serve-20-years-in-prison-for-an-abortion
Angela Carder was 27 years old, 26 weeks pregnant, and had cancer. She was forced to undergo a c-section to try to save the pregnancy despite the risk to her health. It failed and Carder died: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/08/opinion/the-fruit-of-angela-carder-s-agony.html
Rennie Gibbs of Mississippi was 16 years old when she delivered a stillborn baby - she was indicted on charges of "depraved heart murder" after accusations that she used drugs: https://www.propublica.org/article/stillborn-child-charge-of-murder-and-disputed-case-law-on-fetal-harm
A woman in Louisiana was jailed on charges of second-degree murder after she went to the hospital for unexplained vaginal bleeding. It was over a year before medical records showed that she had a miscarriage: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/opinion/pregnant-and-no-civil-rights.html?smid=fb-share
Bei Bei Shuai lost her pregnancy after she tried to kill herself - within a half hour a homicide detective was questioning her. She was arrested for murder: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/05/18/153026015/bail-granted-for-indiana-woman-charged-in-attempted-feticide
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)Maybe we wouldn't be at this point right now.
Hekate
(90,560 posts)Thank you
Hassler
(3,369 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,783 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)Eugene
(61,818 posts)https://www.businessinsider.com/women-30-years-prison-miscarriage-georgia-abortion-2019-5
The Cruel Genius of Georgia's Abortion Ban
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bj9jm5/georgia-heartbeat-abortion-ban-personhood-law
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Women in the United States have been sporadically prosecuted for negligent homicide in the past for miscarriages.
30 years is the common penalty in El Salvador, where abortion is illegal in all circumstances.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)These new laws are for one purpose to get abortion in front of the USSC and hope that they will shoot down some of the things in the bill while narrowly ruling on whether or not abortion should be able to be banned at the federal level. They want to use the interstate commerce law to do it. They will try to turn it into a states rights issue. They have been mounting this tactic for decades.
We fight about super delegates.
in2herbs
(2,944 posts)that happening, IMO, and that is with insurance. If Roe is turned over to states, and unless the insurance industry is required to pay for this medical procedure to be performed in a state other than where the patient lives, the insurance company will effectively be denying the woman the right to choice. These states may be what they want but it opens up a whole other can or worms.
The best way to attack this is to GOTV and vote these legislators out of office. FuX news can't hire all of them!
anarch
(6,535 posts)and the capability of the state to prosecute (persecute?) in such circumstances--if there were any "suspicious circumstances" or if you just need a pretext to invade peoples' privacy. Of course any other crime they turned up would also presumably be prosecuted, depending on the target.
Eventually, if the Christo-fascist MAGAts have their way over the long term, I can see state laws being passed that would require women to be investigated if they are of child-bearing age and do not have any children, or not enough (white) children.
applegrove
(118,492 posts)births a year in the US. So 20% of that is 800,000. So while the police are investigating those events, Maybe they could investigate rape kits and test them for you know rapists? There were 6000 murders in America's biggest cities in 2017. So good luck investigating 800,000 miscarriages.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)The hard-core anti-abortion advocates want to end the rape & incest exceptions and be skeptical of every miscarriage, because (in their mind) these three things will be offered up (in their minds) as excuses to justify abortions. There is no way the war on miscarriage will survive scrutiny. It's too common.
Every action creates an equal and opposite reaction, so those white men who voted for this should not be stunned if they lose office.
Re: Rape kits - http://www.endthebacklog.org/about-us/our-partners
http://www.endthebacklog.org/about-us/shelved-psa-campaign
applegrove
(118,492 posts)So there is that. Evangelicals will go to the polls but we weren't counting on them anyhow.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)Will she be prosecuted under Alabama law? My guess is "yes."