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Fri May 17, 2019, 06:46 AM

 

Can there be much doubt that the media's "why aren't you impeaching NOW" drumbeat has little to do

with any oncern about protecting democracy and almost everything to do with their suredness that a process called "impeachment" - even if it's not much different than any other oversight proceeding - would be a ratings boon for them?

They're virtually salivating for the spectacle.

And why not? What a show! They could have "impeachment teams" calling balls and strikes, and telling us who won the day. And they probably already have the snappy theme music composed, recorded and cued up and the vivid "CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS: IMPEACHMENT 2019" logos and chyrons ready to go.

They're ready to get this show on the road and don't care if it's not ready for prime time. In fact, all the better if it's not. After all, the only thing more fun than "IMPEACHMENT 2019" coverage would be "IMPEACHMENT 2019: WHAT WENT WRONG, DEMOCRATS?"

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Reply Can there be much doubt that the media's "why aren't you impeaching NOW" drumbeat has little to do (Original post)
StarfishSaver May 2019 OP
Funtatlaguy May 2019 #1
empedocles May 2019 #2
Funtatlaguy May 2019 #3
watoos May 2019 #11
Voltaire2 May 2019 #12
empedocles May 2019 #4
StarfishSaver May 2019 #5
DeminPennswoods May 2019 #6
marylandblue May 2019 #7
Kurt V. May 2019 #8
watoos May 2019 #9
EffieBlack May 2019 #10
watoos May 2019 #13
StarfishSaver May 2019 #14
empedocles May 2019 #16
PufPuf23 May 2019 #15

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 06:54 AM

1. I think there have to be some GOP voices like Bill Weld

or others that come aboard with Impeachment first.
Otherwise, the MSM will be screaming of partisan overreach by the Dems.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #1)

Fri May 17, 2019, 06:55 AM

2. Congrats Funtatlaguy on #5000

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Response to empedocles (Reply #2)

Fri May 17, 2019, 06:58 AM

3. Thank you. I hadn't even noticed. Lol.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #1)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:06 AM

11. You're kidding right?

 

What is the M$M covering now? Barr is investigating the FBI and Democrats who overreached, who carried on a witch hunt against Trump. Barr hired a special prosecutor for god's sake. Want to know why Barr did that instead of having the IG carry on the investigation which he is supposed to do? A special prosecutor reports directly to Barr, Barr will be able to control the narrative just like he lied about the redacted Mueller report. Reports are this prosecutor is slow and tedious, Barr will be able to control the narrative right up to the election. You better believe that Trump/Barr are going to put Hillary Clinton on the 2020 ballot.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #1)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:14 AM

12. Weld has zero influence in the Republican Party.

If we are waiting for Republicans to save us we are doomed.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:00 AM

4. Tend to agree. The tenor of the 'why aren't you impeaching NOW' drumbeat is, imo, overwrougtht.

'The positive process' is moving forward. Incriminating evidence keeps coming. Liked Judge Sullivan's 'unredaction' ruling yesterday.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #4)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:13 AM

5. True

 

I notice they've adopted and are repeating the "Pelosi took impeachment off the table" lie, which is also being repeated at nauseum here.

Interesting.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:28 AM

6. Boy howdy, you've called it

nt

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:39 AM

7. Yes, and many of us are falling for it too.

But it's all just cable news. It's amazing how easily you can ignore it if you don't watch cable news, don't have a twitter feed and only sparingly read impeachment posts on DU.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:41 AM

8. while that's likely true now, lets back up a minute. yoni applebaum's excellent piece

in the Atlantic got that going.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:56 AM

9. First of all I wish the M$M were pushing

 

a "why aren't you impeaching now" narrative. If they were it would be the factual truth. Trump deserves to be impeached, more so than Nixon.

I wish that if Dems ever go the impeachment route that it gets covered 24/7, that would be a big plus, right now Trump is controlling the narrative, the headlines are about immigration, Iran and abortion.

Every day we get more evidence why Trump should be impeached. There is a difference between regular oversight hearings and impeachment hearings. We will never get to see the grand jury information under regular oversight hearings and that is where all of the juicy dirt on Trump and his crime family are located.

If Democrats make impeachment into a political decision as the reason they will not impeach, it will backfire on them, millennials will not turn out to vote, just like they didn't vote for president in 2016. Yes, Russia and the far right were a big reason that Hillary lost when they smeared her with so much mud, but the fact of the matter is that Trump won because his base voted and ours didn't. Not impeaching Trump isn't going to inspire millennials to come out and vote.

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Response to watoos (Reply #9)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:59 AM

10. It's wrong to assume that the only reason Dems aren't impeaching NOW is "politics"

 

There are other reasons, primarily that there are processes that need to be gone through and groundwork that needs to me laid to make sure that impeachment can be done correctly. That's what the House is doing.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:20 AM

13. I'm no expert, I admit,

 

but if you watched Rachel Maddow last night who has followed this disaster from the beginning, who has investigated it more than any M$M reporter, did you see what she did last night?

She paused and looked squarely in the camera and emphatically stated, and I am paraphrasing, "frankly, I don't see why, I don't see any reason, why Democrats are not impeaching Trump right now."

I'm just a stupid, partisan Democratic voter who wants to see my country returned to abiding by the rule of law. Every day we learn more reasons why we should impeach Trump because every day Trump gets away with violating our Constitution and violating our rule of law. The longer we allow him to violate our laws, rules, and norms, the more we allow his actions to become normalized.

I'm just a dumb flunkie, but it was nice to see that Rachel agreed with me last night, "why for the life of me aren't Democrats impeaching Trump?" per Rachel Maddow.

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Response to watoos (Reply #13)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:36 AM

14. I saw that

 

I think she's wrong. And it's not just me. Many House Democrats she's interviewed have tried to explain to her why they're moving deliberately.

She's approaching this as an political/policy analyst and activist, so her position makes sense from that perspective. But although she's brilliant, she's not a lawyer or legislative expert and so she's not looking at it as someone with that mindset does. And this must be looked at primarily from a legal and legislative lens because that's what ilwill underlie and drive thia process.

This can't be rushed just because it feels good. There are processes that must be followed - at least if we want certain outcomes - and strategies to be mapped out and carried out. In these kinds of cases, everything can't be done in one fell swoop at the outset. It has to be done methodically if it's to be done right and that's what the Democrats are doing, even though many people want them to pull the trigger right away.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #14)

Fri May 17, 2019, 11:11 AM

16. As a newsperson, Rachel can't help but gravitate towards and be about NOW.

To her credit, she does appreciate the process is moving forward steadily.

I suspect the Speaker has a long, long game in sight. If Dems maximize what they are doing, ask better prepared questions, and gain broader support - they have a good chance to really do some serious cleanup work.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:57 AM

15. You have this backwards - The media should be why are we not far into

the impeachment process?

We should be far into the impeachment process.

The Mueller investigation provided much breadth but was not necessary for impeachment, there are many other items worthy of impeachment. The Mueller report and how it has been unveiled to public if anything has probably made impeachment less likely.

Today's media is mostly entertainment and propaganda.

It would be more useful for the media to be focused on impeachment hearings than to cheer leading for war in Iran or Venezuela or covering a hot war with either country. If a war starts, impeachment is certainly "off the table".

The corporate media way to often provides cover for items that should be publicized to inform citizens and others. The media is way off the rails and has been for some time.

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