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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTalked to a climate change denier and learned
One of the polar icecaps is shrinking but the other is growing.
The sun is starting to get more sun spot activity, so we might actually start to see global cooling.
The scientists are putting their thermometers by airports and and concrete so thats why their temperature readings are going up.
How hot the Earth is depends on the Sun, there isnt anything man can do about it.
And of course, climate scientists are being paid to say all this global warming stuff.
Anything I tried to say was not believed. Any suggestions what to do with such people?
True Dough
(17,090 posts)this thread was started by someone who believes in the Kansas City Royals, I don't know if there's much high ground for you.
TheFarseer
(9,308 posts)No matter how bad they are 😜 2015 was a lot fun though!
True Dough
(17,090 posts)They want that one back!
real Cannabis calm
(1,124 posts)but Climate Change, along with rapid extinction of species, is sadly true.
hurple
(1,304 posts)Go home.
ornotna
(10,763 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)ornotna
(10,763 posts)Azathoth
(4,603 posts)There's debate over the exact reasons why, but none of the proposed explanations is "global warming isn't real."
muriel_volestrangler
(101,146 posts)The trend was up (though not as fast as the downward trend in the Arctic), until these last 3 years. That applies for most other months too - see here:
https://nsidc.org/data/bist/bist.pl?annot=1&legend=1&scale=75&tab_cols=1&tab_rows=12&config=seaice_extent_trends&submit=Refresh&hemis0=S&img0=extent_anomaly_plot&hemis1=N&img1=extent_anomaly_plot&mo0=05&year0=2019&mo1=06&year1=2019
jpak
(41,741 posts)Azathoth
(4,603 posts)NickB79
(19,109 posts)Every spring, that sea ice completely melts, no matter how much it grows over winter. And the land-based glaciers, which are supposed to be permanent, are losing ice rapidly.
In fact, all that fresh water coming off the continental glaciers, with it's higher freezing point than salt water, help explains why the sea ice can grow in size.
TheFarseer
(9,308 posts)Sounds well informed, right?
Hassler
(3,321 posts)There are morons who believe whatever El Limpo, Sean Manatee and FIX tell them.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Never try to teach a pig to sing. The pig never sings, it just gets mad at you.
dlk
(11,425 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)They will not accept the facts that prove them wrong.
BigmanPigman
(51,430 posts)I met one of "them" and he seemed like a normal, rational person until he got on this subject and he was serious. I went home and Googled "flat Earthers" and discovered there were more like him...now that's scary.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Wasted energy on your part to try. I long ago stopped trying to reason with them. They don't live in a world governed by reason. I just tell them they're brainwashed cultists and move on. There's plenty of others out there that you can reach.
jcgoldie
(11,582 posts)... Saw my hives from the road. Had a ton of great questions he wants to get some hives. I love talking about bees and was making a new friend from just down the road. Until it came to the part where I tell him about one of the 2 most important things about keeping honeybees alive in the 21st century is feeding sugar throughout the 2nd half of the winter. All the warm January and February days we get in the Midwest causes the bees to expect flowers soon and start to lay eggs... blow through their winter stores as the hive grows exponentially a month too soon and starves on the cusp of spring. You lose a lot of hives if you don't feed and so everyone does. It's a very tangible effect of global warming... that's when the conversation went downhill very fast with my new "friend"... so promising and it ended with some choice words and he isn't welcome back here. The huge divide in our country strikes at unexpected times...
yardwork
(61,408 posts)Based on their personal observations - like the beekeeper's experience that you yourself have observed - many people who otherwise had been brainwashed into thinking that climate change is a lie are now convinced that it's true.
The guy you talked with isn't a beekeeper, so he hasn't personally observed the changes you and other beekeepers see.
jcgoldie
(11,582 posts)...begrudgingly admit climate change is real based on their own changing experiences just as you say. The problem is most of them fear and hate all the Mexican boogeymen at the border that they learn about on fox news and African Americans in the inner city that they see on the nightly local tabloid news worse than they care about their fields shriveling up due to drought or under a foot of water half the summer...
yardwork
(61,408 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It's all based on the Theory of Infrared Spectroscopy with goes back to the mid 19th Century. CO2 absorbs infrared radiation causing it to heat up. Your microwave works the same way, the water molecules in the food absorb radiation and there isn't any way for it not to happen. If they don't believe this, then evil scientists have tricked them into eating cold pizza for decades.
So now ask, if more CO2 MUST cause heating, then how do they explain what causes the earth to cool back down in the exact amount that physics says it must heat up? Most don't have an answer for this.
There is actually is a response for this (and a counter response), but if they know it, you are dealing with someone smarter than the average climate change denier.
Golden Raisin
(4,599 posts)called "Earth Science" when I was a kid.
bdamomma
(63,650 posts)This should be discussed instead of these filthy repig men talking about women's choice. Fuck these repigs. Bringing up women again, if not gays, they can't applaud the NRA the NRA is imploding.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)At least I hope you took a good shower with turbo-potash soap.
CousinIT
(9,151 posts)They're very "la-de-da" about it. They say nothing can be done. It's "God's will" and was "written in the Bible"
greyl
(22,990 posts)Sounds like your foe was repeating dumb memes about global warming only, so change the subject to any number of other biosphere responsible issues. It's more difficult to laugh-off or dismiss pollution and contamination.
Azathoth
(4,603 posts)It's like trying to argue evolution eith a fundamentalist. They're absolutely unreachable. They actually take satisfaction in being able to spit on the eggheads.
They're the same. I'm surrounded by them. Most all my neighbors are Catholics who
dispute climate change. They're unreachable, all vote Republican. Had one tell me, "Well, there's somethings we can control and some we can't (it's in god's hands)." I swear!
And some of us know DUers here who do not think climate change is as urgent and dire as it really is. It's a most depressing subject.
Azathoth
(4,603 posts)Most deniers tend to go with the "liberal conspiracy and sunspots" routine, but every now and then I've had someone lecture me about the "arrogance" of believing humans could change something as vast as climate... and it's always been a Catholic who took that line. It's kind of fascinating in a tragic way.
KentuckyWoman
(6,666 posts)And it doesn't matter if mankind caused it or is only accelerating it.
the earth will survive in some fashion. Mankind seems fairly determined to extinct ourselves and likely eventually will.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Never speak to them again. They will never change their mind and they will only aggravate you.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)with the rich on space ships leaving the earth with a space force protecting them from space piracy.
The Uber rich will survive and will mate and become another species I call Homo Asshole.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)their POV. The oil & gas industry is the #1 cause and they give a lot in campaign contributions to the GOP where they spread climate change denial. Also because we are so partisan whenever the Democrat has a reality based position it is easier for them to take the contrary point of view.
mahina
(17,502 posts)Why doesnt he want to know?
Give him objective scientific sources. They get paid to gather and analyze information, not skew it.
Give him the 1950s Exxon report showing projected CO2 matching current 415 ppm.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/bo3qo3/we_dont_know_a_planet_like_this_co2_levels_hit/
Give him a way to test his truth, like a scientist.
Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)With the RW monopoly on talk radio, I'm not sure that there is anything effective that you could say to get through to them, unfortunately.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)they pull you down to their level and end up winning the argument.
Just be glad he didnt get you to believe too.
SeattleVet
(5,468 posts)but I don't know how much it will do to change the minds of the proudly, terminally ignorant.
https://skepticalscience.com
Most of their explanations have 2 or 3 levels of detail, from the most basic through to a decent level of scientific literacy.
retread
(3,752 posts)earth is flat.
Buckeyeblue
(5,491 posts)I don't have time for those types of people cluttering my life. Unless they are family, then I will tolerate them for family functions but I will not discuss any of this stuff. I'm really good at changing the subject.
robbob
(3,514 posts)Baltimike
(4,123 posts)Mrs. Ted Nancy
(462 posts)The vaunted human capacity for reason may have more to do with winning arguments than with thinking straight.
Here's a good article from the New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds?utm_source=pocket-newtab