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brush

(53,771 posts)
Sat May 18, 2019, 01:33 AM May 2019

Who sent Barr? Who is behind the more and more apparent and successful attempt...

to head off the Muller investigation into trump by stopping it a month after Barr took office as AG? If we look back and assess, it becomes clear from Barr's actions—the increasing calls for the investigation fo end without testimony from th most obvious persons who should have been called (those in the trump tower meeting), the abrupt ending of the probe, the Barr whitewashing of the Mueller report with Barr's lying, four-page summary, his obvious lying to Senator Harris' questions in the Senate, his refusal then to testify before the House, his use of trump's own verbiage like "spying" and "which hunt" in referring to the whole matter and of course his refusal to release the unredacted report to Congress.

Someone sent this guy to rescue trump, probably the same person or persons who installed trump in the first place. There are forces operating above trump. McConnell, Barr, maybe Graham, are in cahoots with whoever it is.

If you watch Barr you just know he's lying as he keeps up the cover up to save trump and keep him in office. trump is not the mastermind. He is not capable. He is capable of being a useful tool though. Is it Putin pulling the strings? Is it the aforementioned repugs in conjunction with Putin? Have we already been victims of a takeover right before out eyes?

Barr's from-out-of-nowhere application and assumption to the Attorney General's office sure seems to say so. Who sent him? Who is he an agent of?

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Who sent Barr? Who is behind the more and more apparent and successful attempt... (Original Post) brush May 2019 OP
I keep wondering this myself, there are person or people behind this, who are orchestrating. NBachers May 2019 #1
Mercers, and oligarchs? luvallpeeps May 2019 #2
The Russians hacked the RNC too. Dustlawyer May 2019 #10
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #17
I believe Lindsey G. found out what they had on him the day he went golfing with T rump. luvallpeeps May 2019 #24
since trump 'won' the russians use their dirt to blackmail them pangaia May 2019 #26
............ madamesilverspurs May 2019 #3
... trusty elf May 2019 #11
I've always suspected that Barr ended Mueller investigation because it abruptly ended after iluvtennis May 2019 #4
I read on DU that Barr poli-junkie May 2019 #5
best I could do right now.... airmid May 2019 #12
It's the Same people that have always done this. lunatica May 2019 #6
clearly right... pangaia May 2019 #27
He didn't just suddenly appear on Trump's radar with the 19 page memo. They had their eye on him for emmaverybo May 2019 #7
Thomas B. Edsell: "Trump and the Koch brothers are working in concert." pnwmom May 2019 #8
I think the odds of Barr following in John Mitchell's footsteps increase daily DFW May 2019 #9
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #18
It's not only Barr canetoad May 2019 #13
I've considered that this is really the nature of the bargain between the GOP and King MAGAt anarch May 2019 #14
Yup. Agree with that, except canetoad May 2019 #15
DU has the best brains on the internet !! pangaia May 2019 #28
Yes. Barr is there to keep this in place by keeping trump protected. brush May 2019 #33
I smell Cheney n/t malaise May 2019 #16
I can see that. Solly Mack May 2019 #19
Chaney would make sense. And he and Bush had a falling out, right? Buckeyeblue May 2019 #21
Somebody's heart malaise May 2019 #23
Interesting. Hadn't thought about him, but could very well be. suffragette May 2019 #29
Federalist Society. moondust May 2019 #20
Right. H2O Man May 2019 #22
I don't see much of a conspiracy Bradical79 May 2019 #25
First of all, trump is no mastermind. It's pretty obvious that others have been instrumental... brush May 2019 #30
People in the Trump circle knew Barr, Pence was first contact Bradical79 May 2019 #31
I believe it's some wealthy Americans in cahoots with Russian oligarchs. harumph May 2019 #32

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
1. I keep wondering this myself, there are person or people behind this, who are orchestrating.
Sat May 18, 2019, 01:44 AM
May 2019

I think Putin is allied, but I also think the main orchestrator orchestrators are domestic and within our country.

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
2. Mercers, and oligarchs?
Sat May 18, 2019, 01:47 AM
May 2019

Specifically, we can't say, but McConnell and Graham (and obviously Rohrbacher and dumbass Nunes) are/were in on it. What the ever loving fuck already? They had that powder keg of HATE for Hillary all teed up and ready. I've always assumed that if they hacked the Dems, surely they have some shit on the Rs as well. Ain't no tellin'. As much as I thought she would be a fine president, I had a sick feeling about how it would end up. Old white dudes are so good at subterfuge. But lots of $$$ is involved. Blackmail and money. To think Reverend Billy Graham's son is all Putey lovin'. Evidently they've bonded over there mutual hate. WWJH?? (who would Jesus hate?)

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
10. The Russians hacked the RNC too.
Sat May 18, 2019, 03:20 AM
May 2019

A fact no one ever talked about much because nothing was leaked. Imagine what the Russians have on them!

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
24. I believe Lindsey G. found out what they had on him the day he went golfing with T rump.
Sat May 18, 2019, 04:11 PM
May 2019

Ain't no tellin', but boy he sure did a 180 after that. And the theatrics at the Kavanaugh hearing. He was just chock full of piss and vinegar, wasn't he? Quite the passionate display.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
26. since trump 'won' the russians use their dirt to blackmail them
Sat May 18, 2019, 06:42 PM
May 2019

I wonder what they would have done had Hillary won...

iluvtennis

(19,852 posts)
4. I've always suspected that Barr ended Mueller investigation because it abruptly ended after
Sat May 18, 2019, 02:36 AM
May 2019

he was sworn in.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
6. It's the Same people that have always done this.
Sat May 18, 2019, 02:45 AM
May 2019

Remember Bush’s Skull and Bones secret Yale fraternity? They only allow a small handful of new members each year. It’s been going on for generations. During initiation they pledge to always help each other and are sworn to secrecy.

There are groups like that we know nothing about. Rich, influential families who keep the wealth and power within their group. They are the leaders of industry and the politicians who work to keep the status quo so they stay rich and the poor stay poor.

They’ve always been there throughout history. The people who make sure they stay at the top by working together, to help each other and to hinder the rest of us. Just the ordinary haves and have mores that George Bush called his base.

But, it’s quite possible that the advent of the internet has enabled people to expose them and the speed of communication is too fast to be controlled. Social media is probably rendering them unable to work with as much ease as they used to have.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
7. He didn't just suddenly appear on Trump's radar with the 19 page memo. They had their eye on him for
Sat May 18, 2019, 03:01 AM
May 2019

a while knowing his fixer rep. and his ideology. I’d say as soon as they knew Sessions would recuse.
The they would be the deep political machine behind him. They got s Rolodex full of people the can pass off as credible, but who they know will keep the machine oiled. The are Trump’s brain donors.

DFW

(54,369 posts)
9. I think the odds of Barr following in John Mitchell's footsteps increase daily
Sat May 18, 2019, 03:15 AM
May 2019

I think he knows it, too, and is trying to set up his legal counter-attack in advance.

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
13. It's not only Barr
Sat May 18, 2019, 04:03 AM
May 2019

Every judicial pick, Supreme Court, cabinet members, department heads - fucking Trump wouldn't have a clue. He's getting all these recommendations from somewhere. Maybe many somewheres.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
14. I've considered that this is really the nature of the bargain between the GOP and King MAGAt
Sat May 18, 2019, 04:24 AM
May 2019

that he would basically let them push through whatever ur-fascist judges they can find into every possible federal court where they can, and pass their tax scam bill, and they'd let him stay where he is and rake in money for himself and his family...Putin gets to destabilize NATO, the GOP gets the best deal they possibly could have, really, to take over as much of the judiciary as they can (which I think they saw some time ago was key to holding onto power; they already can't win elections without voter suppression, etc.)...and Donny gets to play king.

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
15. Yup. Agree with that, except
Sat May 18, 2019, 04:39 AM
May 2019

I don't believe Trump was in on the deal. They're using him because they know he's a cruel moron.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
21. Chaney would make sense. And he and Bush had a falling out, right?
Sat May 18, 2019, 07:53 AM
May 2019

So helping Trump isn't being disloyal. Shouldn't Chaney be dead by now. What's keeping him alive?

moondust

(19,976 posts)
20. Federalist Society.
Sat May 18, 2019, 07:22 AM
May 2019

Before Dump I had no idea how many lawyers seem so willing to undermine the rule of law and actively defend criminal behavior. Don't they have an oath?

I'm guessing that a young Donald Dump found out how many lawyers are eager to place money over the rule of law and he's been using them as a shield in his corrupt dealings his whole miserable life. That's probably the main reason why he has gotten away with so much.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
25. I don't see much of a conspiracy
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:26 PM
May 2019

He has been the AG before, had discussed being Trump's personal attorney prior, and had a history of pushing Trump's (and the GOP's) narrative in interviews. It's not much different than most of his other picks for positions, and not particularly shocking. Don't see any reason to think there's an additional mysterious mastermind we're not aware of.

brush

(53,771 posts)
30. First of all, trump is no mastermind. It's pretty obvious that others have been instrumental...
Sat May 18, 2019, 09:13 PM
May 2019

in installing him. Putin is the easy one to think of but IMO there are other players. trump being in place has allowed the stacking of the courts with right wing judges, the tax scam and of course all the obstruction. IMO Barr was tasked to stop Mueller's probe and steer the narative towards trump being a victim. He's done that.

trump didn't even know Barr so I don't thing he was just another in the long line of corrupt operatives trump has appointed. I definitely think he was sent to do what he has done.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
31. People in the Trump circle knew Barr, Pence was first contact
Sun May 19, 2019, 06:52 PM
May 2019

Pence had wanted Barr to be his lawyer for the Mueller investigation, but Barr turned him down, and recommended his friend. Barr also had been asked to be Trump's personal lawyer when the kids weren't too happy about Trump's councils, which he declined, and then he was offered the AG position.

I think Barr is far more likely to be a puppet master than a puppet. For decades he has been a strong proponent of the President basically being above the law and having a great deal more power. What Trump has wanted, and what Barr did, lines up perfectly with what Barr has been doing and advocating for his entire career.

He was with the CIA in the 70's, behind legal justifications for rendition, the Panama invasion, and the pardons of numerous people involved in Iran-Contra. And much much more.

Basically, Barr has been behind shady dealings for his entire career.

As for Trump being a mastermind, I agree, he's clearly not. Quite frankly, it has been mostly nothing but one idiotic decision after another. There hasn't been a great deal of cleverness around anything this administration has done, even in Barr's short stint. It's a whole lot of easily exposed lies and corruption that is enabled by a mountain of stupidity (and more corruption) from others. Just about everyone involved have been pretty terrible liars and conspirators.

harumph

(1,898 posts)
32. I believe it's some wealthy Americans in cahoots with Russian oligarchs.
Sun May 19, 2019, 07:15 PM
May 2019

I also believe that climate changes are going to set a fire to instability throughout the world - and
these assholes know it with a cold certainty as well. They're trying to head off the consequence which
is going to be massive redistribution of wealth/property. This is their endgame.

When they lose - and they will. They need to lose everything.

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