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to head off the Muller investigation into trump by stopping it a month after Barr took office as AG? If we look back and assess, it becomes clear from Barr's actionsthe increasing calls for the investigation fo end without testimony from th most obvious persons who should have been called (those in the trump tower meeting), the abrupt ending of the probe, the Barr whitewashing of the Mueller report with Barr's lying, four-page summary, his obvious lying to Senator Harris' questions in the Senate, his refusal then to testify before the House, his use of trump's own verbiage like "spying" and "which hunt" in referring to the whole matter and of course his refusal to release the unredacted report to Congress.
Someone sent this guy to rescue trump, probably the same person or persons who installed trump in the first place. There are forces operating above trump. McConnell, Barr, maybe Graham, are in cahoots with whoever it is.
If you watch Barr you just know he's lying as he keeps up the cover up to save trump and keep him in office. trump is not the mastermind. He is not capable. He is capable of being a useful tool though. Is it Putin pulling the strings? Is it the aforementioned repugs in conjunction with Putin? Have we already been victims of a takeover right before out eyes?
Barr's from-out-of-nowhere application and assumption to the Attorney General's office sure seems to say so. Who sent him? Who is he an agent of?
NBachers
(17,108 posts)I think Putin is allied, but I also think the main orchestrator orchestrators are domestic and within our country.
luvallpeeps
(935 posts)Specifically, we can't say, but McConnell and Graham (and obviously Rohrbacher and dumbass Nunes) are/were in on it. What the ever loving fuck already? They had that powder keg of HATE for Hillary all teed up and ready. I've always assumed that if they hacked the Dems, surely they have some shit on the Rs as well. Ain't no tellin'. As much as I thought she would be a fine president, I had a sick feeling about how it would end up. Old white dudes are so good at subterfuge. But lots of $$$ is involved. Blackmail and money. To think Reverend Billy Graham's son is all Putey lovin'. Evidently they've bonded over there mutual hate. WWJH?? (who would Jesus hate?)
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)A fact no one ever talked about much because nothing was leaked. Imagine what the Russians have on them!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)luvallpeeps
(935 posts)Ain't no tellin', but boy he sure did a 180 after that. And the theatrics at the Kavanaugh hearing. He was just chock full of piss and vinegar, wasn't he? Quite the passionate display.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I wonder what they would have done had Hillary won...
madamesilverspurs
(15,800 posts).
trusty elf
(7,391 posts)iluvtennis
(19,852 posts)he was sworn in.
poli-junkie
(1,002 posts)was involved with Alfa Bank.
Anyone got more info on this?
airmid
(500 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Remember Bushs Skull and Bones secret Yale fraternity? They only allow a small handful of new members each year. Its been going on for generations. During initiation they pledge to always help each other and are sworn to secrecy.
There are groups like that we know nothing about. Rich, influential families who keep the wealth and power within their group. They are the leaders of industry and the politicians who work to keep the status quo so they stay rich and the poor stay poor.
Theyve always been there throughout history. The people who make sure they stay at the top by working together, to help each other and to hinder the rest of us. Just the ordinary haves and have mores that George Bush called his base.
But, its quite possible that the advent of the internet has enabled people to expose them and the speed of communication is too fast to be controlled. Social media is probably rendering them unable to work with as much ease as they used to have.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)a while knowing his fixer rep. and his ideology. Id say as soon as they knew Sessions would recuse.
The they would be the deep political machine behind him. They got s Rolodex full of people the can pass off as credible, but who they know will keep the machine oiled. The are Trumps brain donors.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I bet Barr is mixed up with the Koch brothers, too.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/opinion/trump-koch-brothers-alliance.html
DFW
(54,369 posts)I think he knows it, too, and is trying to set up his legal counter-attack in advance.
canetoad
(17,152 posts)Every judicial pick, Supreme Court, cabinet members, department heads - fucking Trump wouldn't have a clue. He's getting all these recommendations from somewhere. Maybe many somewheres.
anarch
(6,535 posts)that he would basically let them push through whatever ur-fascist judges they can find into every possible federal court where they can, and pass their tax scam bill, and they'd let him stay where he is and rake in money for himself and his family...Putin gets to destabilize NATO, the GOP gets the best deal they possibly could have, really, to take over as much of the judiciary as they can (which I think they saw some time ago was key to holding onto power; they already can't win elections without voter suppression, etc.)...and Donny gets to play king.
canetoad
(17,152 posts)I don't believe Trump was in on the deal. They're using him because they know he's a cruel moron.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I AM CONVINCED OF THAT.
brush
(53,771 posts)malaise
(268,966 posts)Solly Mack
(90,763 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)So helping Trump isn't being disloyal. Shouldn't Chaney be dead by now. What's keeping him alive?
malaise
(268,966 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)moondust
(19,976 posts)Before Dump I had no idea how many lawyers seem so willing to undermine the rule of law and actively defend criminal behavior. Don't they have an oath?
I'm guessing that a young Donald Dump found out how many lawyers are eager to place money over the rule of law and he's been using them as a shield in his corrupt dealings his whole miserable life. That's probably the main reason why he has gotten away with so much.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)He has been the AG before, had discussed being Trump's personal attorney prior, and had a history of pushing Trump's (and the GOP's) narrative in interviews. It's not much different than most of his other picks for positions, and not particularly shocking. Don't see any reason to think there's an additional mysterious mastermind we're not aware of.
brush
(53,771 posts)in installing him. Putin is the easy one to think of but IMO there are other players. trump being in place has allowed the stacking of the courts with right wing judges, the tax scam and of course all the obstruction. IMO Barr was tasked to stop Mueller's probe and steer the narative towards trump being a victim. He's done that.
trump didn't even know Barr so I don't thing he was just another in the long line of corrupt operatives trump has appointed. I definitely think he was sent to do what he has done.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Pence had wanted Barr to be his lawyer for the Mueller investigation, but Barr turned him down, and recommended his friend. Barr also had been asked to be Trump's personal lawyer when the kids weren't too happy about Trump's councils, which he declined, and then he was offered the AG position.
I think Barr is far more likely to be a puppet master than a puppet. For decades he has been a strong proponent of the President basically being above the law and having a great deal more power. What Trump has wanted, and what Barr did, lines up perfectly with what Barr has been doing and advocating for his entire career.
He was with the CIA in the 70's, behind legal justifications for rendition, the Panama invasion, and the pardons of numerous people involved in Iran-Contra. And much much more.
Basically, Barr has been behind shady dealings for his entire career.
As for Trump being a mastermind, I agree, he's clearly not. Quite frankly, it has been mostly nothing but one idiotic decision after another. There hasn't been a great deal of cleverness around anything this administration has done, even in Barr's short stint. It's a whole lot of easily exposed lies and corruption that is enabled by a mountain of stupidity (and more corruption) from others. Just about everyone involved have been pretty terrible liars and conspirators.
harumph
(1,898 posts)I also believe that climate changes are going to set a fire to instability throughout the world - and
these assholes know it with a cold certainty as well. They're trying to head off the consequence which
is going to be massive redistribution of wealth/property. This is their endgame.
When they lose - and they will. They need to lose everything.