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NYTimes: Will McGahn skip the hearing tomorrow (defying the subpoena)? (Original Post) triron May 2019 OP
I don't really care about it today, do you? Chin music May 2019 #1
yes, impeachment polls higher for Red Don than Nixon post Saturday night massacre. Don't let the ... uponit7771 May 2019 #4
It's Monday and I'm already friday'd out. Chin music May 2019 #5
I am more than 'Friday'd out. triron May 2019 #7
Glad you get help if you think you need it Triron. Chin music May 2019 #10
Russian party Peace06 May 2019 #14
Looks like it, t Leghorn21 May 2019 #2
Hate to say it but I'm more disgusted with the committee chairmen and the speaker. triron May 2019 #9
Thats how Trumpism turned into this pos. notdarkyet May 2019 #11
Hey McGahn - are you a man or are you a Mnuchin? dchill May 2019 #3
Trump does the crime Generic Other May 2019 #6
He could show up Sanity Claws May 2019 #8
I think he might. kentuck May 2019 #12
He is gone from the WH BKDem May 2019 #15
the White House is not claiming "executive privilege" onenote May 2019 #13
Thank you. I really wanted to read this opinion. Nevilledog May 2019 #16
One particular weakness in the opinion onenote May 2019 #19
I totally agree with you. Nevilledog May 2019 #20
If he doesn't show are there any meaningful consequences? Nuggets May 2019 #17
(Ahem) ... just pointing this out to Mr. Private Citizen McGahn FakeNoose May 2019 #18

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
1. I don't really care about it today, do you?
Mon May 20, 2019, 03:55 PM
May 2019

Seriously sick of the russian party. Face it, they'll get what they want, and all it does is please the alt right that we are outraged, again. If Congress can't be bothered to be outraged (both sides) then, I'm over it for today.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
4. yes, impeachment polls higher for Red Don than Nixon post Saturday night massacre. Don't let the ...
Mon May 20, 2019, 03:59 PM
May 2019

... ignore impeachment talk fool you.

People DO care

triron

(22,002 posts)
7. I am more than 'Friday'd out.
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:13 PM
May 2019

You probably are as well. My counselor told me to try to just enjoy things I can do something about.
He says he used to watch Rachel every night, now every other night (for sanity). He is a PH. D psychologist.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
10. Glad you get help if you think you need it Triron.
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:18 PM
May 2019

You are loved here. Thanks for the post.
I wish RM would take some time off too. Make people appreciate the shit she goes through, to keep a 'seemingly', stunningly non-plussed society, informed.
Everybody is outraged, then they walk away from the computer, and check the refridge. America post computers/cell phones.
Never thought I'd be glad to be old. (Hell of a reward for older Americans, SO chaps my ass).

triron

(22,002 posts)
9. Hate to say it but I'm more disgusted with the committee chairmen and the speaker.
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:15 PM
May 2019

If you are afraid to punish a child the child will do more and more outrageous things.

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
8. He could show up
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:13 PM
May 2019

and state that he has been ordered to claim Executive Privilege.
He could say that apologetically and let them know that he thinks that Congress has a fight with Trump, not him.

BKDem

(1,733 posts)
15. He is gone from the WH
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:03 PM
May 2019

He owes them nothing. He can't invoke Executive Privilege. They have to invoke it for him, and he is under no obligation to comply.
Fuck them, McGahn. It's payback time.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
13. the White House is not claiming "executive privilege"
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:25 PM
May 2019

Rather, they are asserting an even broader complete testimonial immunity for advisors to the president, and are attempting to back it up with rulings and opinions from previous administrations. https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/r0tz.eD1exEQ/v0

Nevilledog

(51,094 posts)
16. Thank you. I really wanted to read this opinion.
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:23 PM
May 2019

Seems to me the two problems with this opinion might be (upon skimming) White House counsel's designation as advisor and the definition of official duties.

Justice obviously concluded that a claim of executive privilege was going to fail, so they came up with this.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
19. One particular weakness in the opinion
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:52 PM
May 2019

(imo) is the argument that because the executive and legislative branches are "co-equals", Congress can't force a member of the WH staff (as an extension of the president) to appear at a hearing any more than the president could demand the attendance of members of Congress at a WH meeting.

The flaw in that reasoning is that while nothing in the Constitution gives the president any oversight with respect to Congress, the Constitution (1) allows Congress to remove the president via the impeachment process and (2) gives Congress power of the purse over the executive branch and as such could eliminate presidential advisors by eliminating any funding for them.

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