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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:24 PM May 2019

Nicole Wallace's Show Today Is So Far A Complete Disgrace

Everyone one on there today... NIcole's boyfriend Schmidt, Heilemen, Jolley, St Pierre are stomping the Dems and Nancy Pelosi into the ground because they're not proceeding fast enough to suit them. How dare they? Heileman said traitor trump is wrong but strong and the Dems are right but weak. The only one who hasn't is Joyce Vance.

How dare those Dems not having impeached already. Funny, but I didn't realize the Cons had agreed to convict the traitor.

And isn't it time MUeller came down from Mount Olympus or maybe he just doesn't care?

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Nicole Wallace's Show Today Is So Far A Complete Disgrace (Original Post) Me. May 2019 OP
Schmidt is back? Thought he was booted off MSNBC due to HipChick May 2019 #1
For some reason, Schmidt really annoys me DeminPennswoods May 2019 #3
Schmidt must have been lucky to get the Pulitzer. Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #127
What's that about ? I thought he was dating Nicole ? OnDoutside May 2019 #5
Michael Schmidt, NYT reporter? Jane Austin May 2019 #95
I think she means Steve Schmidt, the Republican strategist. N/T lapucelle May 2019 #103
Well, yes. But he wasn't Jane Austin May 2019 #109
Yes, THAT bundle of joy, Michael Schmidt, NYT reporter...Maybe he makes her laugh, in a Lyle OnDoutside May 2019 #116
Well, I guess I will have to eat my hat! Jane Austin May 2019 #117
Yes, I think we all thought herself and Heilemann were up to something. Donny Deutsch too ! OnDoutside May 2019 #118
Yeah, she could do better, imho, DeminPennswoods May 2019 #119
Wallace runs a great show... Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #128
Agreed DeminPennswoods May 2019 #131
I disagree. kentuck May 2019 #2
ditto Skittles May 2019 #78
As do I. nt Atticus May 2019 #102
Sorry BeyondGeography May 2019 #4
It's easy for Bill Kristol and John Yoo to be ahead of Democratic leadership StarfishSaver May 2019 #6
Actually it does come at a price BeyondGeography May 2019 #9
Neither of them made a huge sacrifice. Both be just fine StarfishSaver May 2019 #14
Same for all of them. When they're wrong, they point Hortensis May 2019 #22
True StarfishSaver May 2019 #40
Back in the Coki Roberts days, Hortensis May 2019 #107
Beyond, this "divided party" meme is an obvious RW lie. Hortensis May 2019 #26
Aw Yes The War Within The Party Me. May 2019 #32
Of course we agree on liberal ideals BeyondGeography May 2019 #38
No. Disagreements among ignorant and anxious observers Hortensis May 2019 #68
Rep Ciclline is calling for an impeachment inquiry if McGahn doesn't show BeyondGeography May 2019 #71
Is there something special about Rep. Cicilline that makes his opinion carry more weight StarfishSaver May 2019 #77
He sits on the committee and this is the clearest call from Judiciary yet re launching an inquiry BeyondGeography May 2019 #80
Please understand that this is something Hortensis May 2019 #100
We know a lot more now than we did a few hours ago BeyondGeography May 2019 #101
Yes, but still far less than others. Hortensis May 2019 #104
As far as I'm concerned wryter2000 May 2019 #64
These are not trump supporters. They are concerned that the optics are 'trump is winning'. spanone May 2019 #7
Perhaps Heilman Missed The Part Where The Witnesses Have Been Subpoened Me. May 2019 #19
trump and barr don't care. delay, delay, delay. spanone May 2019 #21
Of Course, That's Obvious And therein Is The Root Of The Problem Me. May 2019 #23
two months, any court cases filed? spanone May 2019 #25
Don't They First Have To Wait Until The Witness Defies A Subpoena? Me. May 2019 #30
Mnuchin defied a subpoena for tax returns. Barr defied a subpoena for unredacted Mueller report. spanone May 2019 #39
Do you know what the process is to enforce a subpoena once it's been defied? StarfishSaver May 2019 #41
Hold them in contempt. spanone May 2019 #50
Do you know what the process for issuing a contempt citation is StarfishSaver May 2019 #55
Look it up. I did. spanone May 2019 #59
I know what it is. Just wondering if other people do StarfishSaver May 2019 #65
You Are Correct Me. May 2019 #53
One decision handed down today wryter2000 May 2019 #69
screaming? spanone May 2019 #79
Perhaps not your post wryter2000 May 2019 #83
Yes! True Blue American May 2019 #81
I'm hearing unrelenting attacks on Trump. 11 Bravo May 2019 #8
You Didn't See Heilman's Rant? Me. May 2019 #11
I considered that tough love C_U_L8R May 2019 #29
You Think They're Just Ho-Humming Their Way Through All Of This? Me. May 2019 #33
No. But they're not winning. Yet. C_U_L8R May 2019 #36
Yet Is The Key Word Me. May 2019 #37
And we're all cheering them on. C_U_L8R May 2019 #42
Most Of Us Anyway Me. May 2019 #51
Who will be the winner when the Senate won't convict? redstateblues May 2019 #91
At minimum, the American people need to know the truth. C_U_L8R May 2019 #92
Because John Heilman railing on MSNBC is going to wake Nancy Plosi up StarfishSaver May 2019 #43
Yes. C_U_L8R May 2019 #44
I disagree. They have a point. That said, I think House Dems are being deliberate because these OnDoutside May 2019 #10
Of Course They're Being Deliberate Me. May 2019 #12
"Could" make the look weak. Someone also said that they have an eye on 2020. Posters here have OnDoutside May 2019 #24
I'm enjoying the show a lot! renate May 2019 #13
They seem to think that if they start impeachment, the gates will open, StarfishSaver May 2019 #16
Quite Me. May 2019 #20
Precisely StarfishSaver May 2019 #27
OMG, lol wryter2000 May 2019 #72
Oh And Did The SEnate Send Word Me. May 2019 #17
Dems need to establish a record for any court proceedings DeminPennswoods May 2019 #18
Yeah, we are fighting on trump's turf. Ilsa May 2019 #31
I loved Jeff Daniels True Blue American May 2019 #82
These comments are all about ratings DeminPennswoods May 2019 #15
Stomping? Really? elleng May 2019 #28
I think I saw Yahweh Mueller, ride by the bus stop on his donkey... Chin music May 2019 #34
Oh I Don't Think Mueller Is On The Take Me. May 2019 #35
Or maybe he respects the rule of law StarfishSaver May 2019 #45
This. nt emmaverybo May 2019 #114
I think he HIDES behind institutions, and his brethren of same, and the fix was in when he got Chin music May 2019 #48
It's interesting seeing people demanding the Trump the held accountable for violating StarfishSaver May 2019 #57
Yep. The usual suspects yammering on and on FrankBooth May 2019 #88
A bunch of Republicans telling us what we should do redstateblues May 2019 #46
No Kidding Me. May 2019 #54
I so agree hannah May 2019 #62
I guess they are ignoring all the work the Democratic members are doing. By the book! LiberalFighter May 2019 #47
Your mistake. Stop watching. Morning Joe, Republican, that's dem4decades May 2019 #49
Many Not All Me. May 2019 #52
And So It Begins Me. May 2019 #56
And the COURT will send some Federal Marshals over to pick his jimmy ass up. Chin music May 2019 #60
I think John Heileman was entirely correct. I became an impeachment convert after being Vinca May 2019 #58
+1 Chin music May 2019 #61
Not in my opinion. I saw no "stomping." Iheard well-reasoned arguments that I agreed with. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #63
First...I Thought Heliman's (THe CIrcus) Long Rant Was Way Out Of Line Me. May 2019 #75
We are in an emergency situation. IMO this discussion reflected that. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #84
WE Disagree Me. May 2019 #85
They weren't "kicking" Dems. They were respectful. The discussion wasn't about McConnell - it was 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #86
Again, We Disagree Me. May 2019 #87
Yeah we do because that wasn't how I saw it at all. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #90
But Her Guests Weren't & Didn't Me. May 2019 #93
They weren't discussing the urgency of impeachment proceedings because they are Trump lovers! 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #105
Of Course Not Me. May 2019 #110
Good on ya, Me! Cha May 2019 #115
... Me. May 2019 #123
He was not ranting. He was expressing frustration and confusion over why Dems aren't 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #129
Nonsense Me. May 2019 #130
the Jeff Daniels segment was pretty good RussBLib May 2019 #66
I Turned It Back On Me. May 2019 #70
And right on cue wryter2000 May 2019 #67
Well said eleny May 2019 #74
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. May 2019 #76
Watched today will watch tomorrow. That's all I have to say about that. IADEMO2004 May 2019 #73
They're correct. Dem leadership is being weak. OliverQ May 2019 #89
THey Are Not 'Debating' Me. May 2019 #94
All I see them doing is allowing Trump and his administration to ignore subpoenas OliverQ May 2019 #98
Allowing? Seriously? Me. May 2019 #99
"impeach or wait until 2020 to get rid of him" TwilightZone May 2019 #125
True, but I'm not convinced the US will survive until 2020 at this rate. OliverQ May 2019 #126
Loved the show watoos May 2019 #96
I Want Him Removed Any Which Way THey Can Me. May 2019 #97
Maybe all those Republicans should work on reforming their own party mcar May 2019 #106
Nicolle denounced the Republican party watoos May 2019 #108
Up To This Pint I've Given Her Kudos Me. May 2019 #111
Unlike the other former Rs, she has said several times DeminPennswoods May 2019 #121
Or Pushing THem To Do The Right Thing Me. May 2019 #112
Yep mcar May 2019 #113
I think Nicolle is great! kentuck May 2019 #120
I Was Of Your Opinion Until Yesterday Me. May 2019 #124
Thanks for the warning. I started recording her show a couple weeks ago. Not gonna watch them bash D helpisontheway May 2019 #122
I'm Looking to See What Her Show Is Like Today Me. May 2019 #132

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
3. For some reason, Schmidt really annoys me
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:32 PM
May 2019

He comes off as especially smug. TBH, I think he and Haberman traded their integrity for WH access awhile ago.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
127. Schmidt must have been lucky to get the Pulitzer.
Tue May 21, 2019, 11:16 AM
May 2019

He does get his facts wrong, and he's really lacking in his ability to provide meat at the pundit table. His act yesterday was especially depressing. Maybe he didn't get his candy stick licked by his favorite hostess. How sad.

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
95. Michael Schmidt, NYT reporter?
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:12 PM
May 2019

He's hardly Nicole's "boyfriend".

Now, Steve Schmidt, the one who joined the Starbuck's founder's campaign, was one of Nicole's best friends, dating from their time together on the McCain campaign.

They were both, if I remember correctly, also frozen out of McCain's funerals.

But it was Michael Schmidt whose dour presence graced Nicole's show today.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
116. Yes, THAT bundle of joy, Michael Schmidt, NYT reporter...Maybe he makes her laugh, in a Lyle
Tue May 21, 2019, 02:53 AM
May 2019

Lovett sorta way ? !!!!

MSNBC is becoming a hotbed of passion for Beltway nerds. Page Six has exclusively learned that the network’s Nicolle Wallace is divorcing her ambassador husband of 14 years and is dating New York Times writer Michael S. Schmidt, a regular guest on her show “Deadline: White House.”

In fact Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Schmidt, 35, is such a familiar face alongside Wallace, 47, both on air and off, that we’re told they have disclosed their romance to network chiefs, who were fine with it, just as they were when the co-anchors of their “Morning Joe” show, Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough, coupled up.

Wallace — George W. Bush’s former White House communications director, a senior adviser for the McCain-Palin campaign, a co-host of “The View” for a year until August 2015, and now chief political analyst for MSNBC and NBC News — has been married to lawyer and Bush-appointed US Ambassador to the United Nations Mark Wallace since 2005. He didn’t return e-mails seeking comment.





https://pagesix.com/2019/03/27/nicolle-wallace-and-msnbc-contributor-michael-schmidt-are-dating/

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
117. Well, I guess I will have to eat my hat!
Tue May 21, 2019, 06:11 AM
May 2019

That seems like a complete mismatch to me.

She's very flirty with Heilman, so I could see that, but Michael Schmidt?

Yikes.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
119. Yeah, she could do better, imho,
Tue May 21, 2019, 06:42 AM
May 2019

but she is does have a degree (from Berkley of all places) and a master's in communication. That gives them something in common, but 12 years is a prretty big age difference and unusual for the woman to be the older one.

Anyway, since they are reportedly dating, he should not be appearing on her show.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
128. Wallace runs a great show...
Tue May 21, 2019, 11:20 AM
May 2019

but you're right. Schmidt's appearance constitutes a conflict of interest. Really, his absence wouldn't be missed. He doesn't add much to any conversation.

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
4. Sorry
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:33 PM
May 2019

But they do have a point. It never made sense IMO for Pelosi to broadcast her obvious preference to avoid impeachment proceedings before the Mueller Report was even released. There is division in our ranks and Trump is pushing the envelope with apparent impunity.

And before you dump on me, I never thought I’d live to see the day where people like William Fucking Kristol and John Yoo were ahead of Democrat leadership on initiating impeachment proceedings against a Republican President. I don’t know if that should make me happy or sad.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
6. It's easy for Bill Kristol and John Yoo to be ahead of Democratic leadership
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:35 PM
May 2019

They don't have to actually do anything but run their mouths.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Same for all of them. When they're wrong, they point
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:48 PM
May 2019

to some comment made 8 months ago to cover their asses and pivot on the spot to pontificate with uninterrupted conviction on a new position.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
40. True
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:05 PM
May 2019

For example, they were all dead wrong about Trump's for election - absolutely flat out dead wrong. But sure enough day after the election, there they sat just as big as you please pontificating about the next thing as if they were infallible experts on all things political, without even acknowledgement that they approven they didn't know what they were talking about.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
107. Back in the Coki Roberts days,
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:42 PM
May 2019

I remember her and her group doing apologies and supposed self searchings after elections for being so terribly wrong maybe three times in a row. And that was the end of that and the change to the new model.

But looking back, I’d like to know why their groupthink told/got it so completely wrong, wrong like effectively all pollsters in 2016 or wrong like Fox?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Beyond, this "divided party" meme is an obvious RW lie.
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:53 PM
May 2019

You should not be believing it, and certainly not repeating something so obviously untrue.

Just look at the big Blue-Wave electorate in the midterms.
Look at our Democratic candidates and the voices of an already strongly engaged left in the polls,
Even look at our own little internal candidate poll.

Get it? A large majority of those on the left are united and committed around liberal ideals and goals.

As for the small, noisy, hostile faction that always fights the mainstream? The ones the RW amplifies to build this meme around? If they were numerous and competent enough to form even a small third party to attack us, they would. But they aren't and they never have been able to.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
32. Aw Yes The War Within The Party
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:58 PM
May 2019

Jeremy Peters repeats that every time he's on and so do many of the so called know it alls.

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
38. Of course we agree on liberal ideals
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:04 PM
May 2019

How to handle the current crisis is where we’re scattered. Amash stepping forward has highlighted differences within the caucus on impeachment. They exist.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
68. No. Disagreements among ignorant and anxious observers
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:41 PM
May 2019

on political forums over tactics -- notably NOT principles or big goals -- are not party division. And we're not in "array," either.

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
71. Rep Ciclline is calling for an impeachment inquiry if McGahn doesn't show
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:44 PM
May 2019

Talk to me after Nadler and Pelosi readily agree with him.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
77. Is there something special about Rep. Cicilline that makes his opinion carry more weight
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:49 PM
May 2019

than any other Member, including the Speaker of the House and Judiciary Committee chairman (other than the fact that he agrees with you)?

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
80. He sits on the committee and this is the clearest call from Judiciary yet re launching an inquiry
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:55 PM
May 2019

Is there anything about that you find insignificant?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
100. Please understand that this is something
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:12 PM
May 2019

their team is working on. Not us. It’s not our decision. Damned good thing because I can guarantee you we don’t know a fraction of what they do, not just complex processes but critical information. Remember information is power? No one is blabbing everything they know.

So we wait, and it’s worrying for all of us, we just respond to it differently. We have new positive news that that judge has ordered Deutschebank to comply with the congressional subpoenas to turn over Trump’s financial records.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
64. As far as I'm concerned
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:38 PM
May 2019

John Yoo can keep his trap shut for the rest of his life. He gave up his humanity when he decided it was acceptable to torture a child in order to get information from the child's father.

I don't care how right he is about anything. He can STFU.

spanone

(135,795 posts)
7. These are not trump supporters. They are concerned that the optics are 'trump is winning'.
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:36 PM
May 2019

Two months since the Mueller report came out.

Not a single witness.

Not a single piece of paper.

Democrats have little recourse except the courts.

trump has used the courts all his life and knows how to use them to his benefit.



Me.

(35,454 posts)
19. Perhaps Heilman Missed The Part Where The Witnesses Have Been Subpoened
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:45 PM
May 2019

and now it has to go to the courts where they'll be asked if they've tried all options

Me.

(35,454 posts)
23. Of Course, That's Obvious And therein Is The Root Of The Problem
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:50 PM
May 2019

That's why the next step is the courts, or did Heilman expect they could send the Sergeant At Arms to make an arrest.

spanone

(135,795 posts)
39. Mnuchin defied a subpoena for tax returns. Barr defied a subpoena for unredacted Mueller report.
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:04 PM
May 2019

spanone

(135,795 posts)
50. Hold them in contempt.
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:14 PM
May 2019
What is the punishment for contempt of Congress?

On paper, defying a congressional subpoena for testimony or documents is a misdemeanor crime, punishable by one to 12 months in jail. But in practice, this law is generally toothless in disputes between Congress and the executive branch. Invoking prosecutorial discretion, the Justice Department can decline to charge an official who defies a subpoena at the president’s direction.

Can Congress enforce a contempt citation on its own?

In theory, yes, but this is outdated. Historically, Congress has exercised “inherent contempt” authority to detain recalcitrant witnesses until the end of its session. But Congress has not tried to use that authority since 1935. Congress lacks any prison for holding someone in long-term detention, and trying to use its limited security forces to arrest an executive branch official could provoke a dangerous standoff. While some lawmakers have talked about instead imposing a fine, there is no precedent for that, according to the Congressional Research Service, and it is not clear how the House could enforce that penalty.

What about going to court?

Congress could ask a federal judge to enforce its subpoena — and declare witnesses who defy any judicial order to provide the information to Congress in contempt of court. If the Justice Department declines to prosecute someone for contempt of court, judges can appoint special prosecutors to bring the case instead. Still, Mr. Trump could pre-emptively pardon such defendants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/us/politics/subpoenas-trump-congress.html







wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
69. One decision handed down today
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:43 PM
May 2019

That Trump has to turn over his financial records.

Screaming that the Dems aren't doing anything doesn't produce any witnesses or evidence, either.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
11. You Didn't See Heilman's Rant?
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:39 PM
May 2019

or Jolley kicking the Dems sayin that Amash was braver than Nancy?

C_U_L8R

(44,990 posts)
29. I considered that tough love
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:55 PM
May 2019

Dems very much need to get it together and drive the message and process.

C_U_L8R

(44,990 posts)
92. At minimum, the American people need to know the truth.
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:47 PM
May 2019

If that sways the Senate... or the election... who knows. But it is the right thing to do. Kicking the can the road or giving up because Republicans... is so wrong.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
43. Because John Heilman railing on MSNBC is going to wake Nancy Plosi up
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:07 PM
May 2019

and get her to finally focus.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
10. I disagree. They have a point. That said, I think House Dems are being deliberate because these
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:38 PM
May 2019

issues are going to end up in court, so they are taking this step by step, not giving a Republican judge a straight up reason to find against them.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
24. "Could" make the look weak. Someone also said that they have an eye on 2020. Posters here have
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:51 PM
May 2019

already expressed the exact same opinions. I think the House Dems are on a very deliberate path. History will tell who was right.

renate

(13,776 posts)
13. I'm enjoying the show a lot!
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:40 PM
May 2019

I think John Heilemann is right. Trump's "strong and wrong" narrative is winning, because it's the only one out there.

I don't understand why an impeachment hearing wouldn't get the evidence out in public and on the evening news. I admire the hell out of Nancy Pelosi and I assume and trust that she knows things we don't (polling numbers, maybe) and that's why they haven't even started a hearing, but from the outside it's really mysterious. The facts are on our side. Like Karine said, right now we are fighting on his turf.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. They seem to think that if they start impeachment, the gates will open,
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:42 PM
May 2019

tongues will loosen, documents will flow like water and Trump officials will line up to testify.

It was bizarre listening to one of the guests talk about how intently the media would cover impeachment hearings. We have the media telling Democrats that they should launch impeachment hearings because then the media will cover them.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
20. Quite
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:47 PM
May 2019

and then while they're covering them, they'll point out the faults with the proceeding and insist the DEms should've waited

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
27. Precisely
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:54 PM
May 2019

They want the show and the ratings.

Probably already have the special theme music and graphics ready to go and are itching to whip them out.

They can't wait for their wall-to-wall panels to do the minute-by-minute play-by-play and tell us who's up, who's down and who won the day.

And, of course, if Trump isn't removed from office, it will be the Democrats' fault, not the Republicans who protected him and we'll spend months having to listen to post mortems about how the Democrats overplayed their hands by jumping the gun before they had all their ducks in a row.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
17. Oh And Did The SEnate Send Word
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:42 PM
May 2019

they will follow through. If that crew wants to be helpful how about an indictment against the traitor rather than the Dems.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
18. Dems need to establish a record for any court proceedings
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:44 PM
May 2019

which is another thing most of these commentators miss.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
31. Yeah, we are fighting on trump's turf.
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:57 PM
May 2019

Right now, the system favors trump, favors his delay processes, and Democrats can't just do away with Due Process and the courts.

I see that they are saying that impeachment will bring media coverage which may convince the populace, or not.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
15. These comments are all about ratings
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:42 PM
May 2019

They all miss the point that before the House Judiciary Committee held it's impeachment hearings and vote, there were months of televised hearings of the Senate Select Committee on Watergate that uncovered all the facts and the existence of the WH tapes. That is what moved public opinion.

Dems are trying to follow this model, but they only hold the House, not both chambers of Congress like Dems did during Watergate.

If I were Pelosi and the committee chairs, I'd be looking to begin hearings with small fish, ones who are bit players and cannot afford to defy Congress, but are still important. Remember it was Ulasewicz was the one who revealed the bags of hush money cash being delivered via phone booths and Butterfield who revealed the existence of the Oval Office taping system.

If they want a bigger fish, I'd call Flynn. Flynn's plea agreement requires him to co-operate and he has not yet been sentenced. Do you think he'd risk refusing to appear given Judge Sullivan's order that he co-operate more before Sullivan would impose a sentence? Sullivan doesn't have to accept the SCO's sentencing memo recommendations.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
34. I think I saw Yahweh Mueller, ride by the bus stop on his donkey...
Mon May 20, 2019, 04:59 PM
May 2019

Had some palms in his hand. Was muttering and counting a wad of what looked like green backs.
Yo church boy...WWJD? (Hint: It doesn't look anything like what YOU're doing.) What about the Big Green Machine and all that? Honor/love of country, fidelity?? Pah. Buncha platitudes. (For him.)

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
48. I think he HIDES behind institutions, and his brethren of same, and the fix was in when he got
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:10 PM
May 2019

appointed by rosy red rosenstein. All are russo-repubs so none of them can be trusted imho, you are the company you keep. I'm not buying the holier than thou horse shit anymore, and when I said he should be viewed w a jaundiced eye here MONTHS ago, I was roundly attacked for being of little faith.
. He's had all kinds of time in two months to find his inner Jesus, and let it all fly. He may not be the recipient of a bag of money, but he's still collecting govt checks. 6 of 1, half dozen of another. Been FAR too long already.
(If you look you can still see him in the distance...he's singing 'ho-sanah hey zannah' now I think. Yes, in fact he IS!)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
57. It's interesting seeing people demanding the Trump the held accountable for violating
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:27 PM
May 2019

the rule of law gets so angry because the people they want to hold him accountable won't violate the rule of law in order to do it.

FrankBooth

(1,600 posts)
88. Yep. The usual suspects yammering on and on
Mon May 20, 2019, 06:37 PM
May 2019

It's pretty transparent. Slamming Mueller with projection about his motivations, when they can't possibly know what those motivations really are -- that's a tell.

Dems should continue to be deliberate and set things up correctly. Impeachment is not about ratings or an emotional 'gotcha' moment. Proceed methodically and carefully so when impeachment comes, which it inevitably will, the case is stronger in the House, the Senate and the Courts.

hannah

(141 posts)
62. I so agree
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:38 PM
May 2019

MSNBC has a lot of Republicans telling Democrat’s what to do. Morning Joe. Nicole Wallace, Chuck Toad.They tell you which Democrat you should like in the primary ( Mayor Pete) and who not to like (Beto).
They have a few topics that they repeat on each and every show, hour after hour. Lots of news going on but they stick with repetition of just a few subjects. They have the same weak ass fill in Republicans like Kasey Hunt, Kristin Welker, the dreadful Kelly O’Donnell, Hallie Jackson.

It makes me freaking sick. Stop wasting air time. Bring in some shows that will make a dent in the boredom. How about Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Joy Reid.

dem4decades

(11,269 posts)
49. Your mistake. Stop watching. Morning Joe, Republican, that's
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:14 PM
May 2019

Where she came from. Her show is all Republicans too. Not Trumpers but all Republicans.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
56. And So It Begins
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:25 PM
May 2019

Judge rules in favor of subpoena issued by House Oversight Committee for Trumps Financial records.

""These are facially valid legislative purposes, and it is not for the court to question whether the Committee’s actions are truly motivated by political considerations," Mehta wrote."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212112745

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
60. And the COURT will send some Federal Marshals over to pick his jimmy ass up.
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:31 PM
May 2019

And it can happen quickly.
Just as quickly as they can hand-cuff manuchin tomorrow in front of God and Country if the Sgt of Arms deems it to be necessary.
I'm hoping by noon tomorrow, we have our first 'jail-bird collar' off the floor of Congress.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
58. I think John Heileman was entirely correct. I became an impeachment convert after being
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:30 PM
May 2019

reminded that voters in 2018 voted for action by Democrats. If Democrats don't follow through, I worry they'll sit home in 2020. It's a given it will never get out of the Senate, but the investigation would be on television all day every day for months on end including people testifying who are now being blocked. Jeff Daniels was on at the end of the show, but I didn't see Steve Schmidt. I think he's still out of the commenting business and working for Mr. Starbuck's campaign.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,928 posts)
63. Not in my opinion. I saw no "stomping." Iheard well-reasoned arguments that I agreed with.
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:38 PM
May 2019

They expressed respect for Nancy Pelosi, just didn't agree with her seeming current take on impeachment.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
75. First...I Thought Heliman's (THe CIrcus) Long Rant Was Way Out Of Line
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:48 PM
May 2019

and Davis Jolley has a lot of nerve criticizing Dems the way he did today and comparing Nancy P. unfavorably to Amash. As for St. Pierre, Move-On needs a new senior advisor as she always repeats the consensus of the table and never much of an original thinker.

But that's just my opinion and of course you are entitled to yours.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
85. WE Disagree
Mon May 20, 2019, 06:11 PM
May 2019

I think it reflected their frustration and no real cogent thinking. And how productive to kick Dems for proceeding according too law and procedure. And as I said up thread, I didn't see them berating McConnell for his obstruction or all the other Dems in the Congress. in fact, according to Jolley, Amash, the lone Con, is better than Pelosi. What's Jolley done to help except criticize?

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,928 posts)
86. They weren't "kicking" Dems. They were respectful. The discussion wasn't about McConnell - it was
Mon May 20, 2019, 06:16 PM
May 2019

about Dems in the House and potential consequences if they don't seize the moment and use their power against the criminal president.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,928 posts)
90. Yeah we do because that wasn't how I saw it at all.
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:31 PM
May 2019

When it comes to expressing criticism of Trump and giving Dems and/or other Trump critics a daily platform, Nicolle Wallace is second to none.

Cha

(296,868 posts)
115. Good on ya, Me!
Tue May 21, 2019, 02:10 AM
May 2019

I didn't see it, but from your description I wholeheartedly agree.

Words matter.

Thanks for your OP

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,928 posts)
129. He was not ranting. He was expressing frustration and confusion over why Dems aren't
Tue May 21, 2019, 11:53 AM
May 2019

seizing this moment to put the screws to Trump in the most effective way they have, when this is not a situation that calls for political calculation but for courage and boldness.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
130. Nonsense
Tue May 21, 2019, 11:59 AM
May 2019

He seized the moment all right and she needed to take it back from him. And it's not political calculation however much try to frame it that way.

RussBLib

(9,003 posts)
66. the Jeff Daniels segment was pretty good
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:40 PM
May 2019

He talked the play "To Kill a Mockingbird" in which he stars as Atticus Finch. It was powerful enough that Nicole was speechless.

But that's the only segment I saw.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
67. And right on cue
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:41 PM
May 2019

There are at least two OP's lauding the show and calling it "must watch."

Those smug bastards brought us to where we are today. They can keep their mouths shut and let the grown-ups do the work...as usual.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
74. Well said
Mon May 20, 2019, 05:47 PM
May 2019

If they join the Dem Party then I'll take them more seriously. As far as I know they left the GOP but now sit on the sidelines and wag fingers.

I don't watch her show since she only became an independent. But I can be schooled.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
89. They're correct. Dem leadership is being weak.
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:14 PM
May 2019

Trump is a tyrant. He breaks the law on a daily basis, and Dems are still debating whether to impeach or wait until 2020 to get rid of him. That is not an option. He has to be impeached, or it will be the end of America.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
94. THey Are Not 'Debating'
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:05 PM
May 2019

They know what has to be done, how to do it and are in the process of doing it and calling them weak only aids him and his mafia in their propaganda

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
98. All I see them doing is allowing Trump and his administration to ignore subpoenas
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:24 PM
May 2019

with no consequences and claiming there is no point impeaching.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
99. Allowing? Seriously?
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:34 PM
May 2019

This is the overwrought talk happening lately and no one said there is no point in impeaching. Yet people keep insisting something was said that wasn't.

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
125. "impeach or wait until 2020 to get rid of him"
Tue May 21, 2019, 11:06 AM
May 2019

Impeachment is not going to "get rid of him". Whether we impeach him or not, 2020 is the first realistic opportunity to remove him from office. The Senate will not do so.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
96. Loved the show
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:13 PM
May 2019

People calling for Trump’s impeachment.
Question for the wait crowd, when?
Does the wait crowd want to move on from the Mueller report and not impeach?
Trump is controlling the narrative.
Debates start this fall, 1st election February I think.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
97. I Want Him Removed Any Which Way THey Can
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:15 PM
May 2019

But I trust them to know when it's time to pull the trigger. As for the Mueller report I wonder why he has not already agreed to a date to testify.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
108. Nicolle denounced the Republican party
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:54 PM
May 2019

She is as good or better than Rachel. They are the only 2 shows I watch. I do listen to real libruls on Sirius.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
111. Up To This Pint I've Given Her Kudos
Mon May 20, 2019, 10:09 PM
May 2019

But she let the guests get out of hand today and should've pulled them back in. Jolley has become a broken record going from show to show saying the same things but his comparison between Nancy & Amash was outrageous.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
121. Unlike the other former Rs, she has said several times
Tue May 21, 2019, 06:46 AM
May 2019

recently on her show that she is voting for whoever the Dem candidate is in 2020.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
124. I Was Of Your Opinion Until Yesterday
Tue May 21, 2019, 10:10 AM
May 2019

so after two years of silence regarding traitor trump Amash levels a criticism and he's treated like the 2nd coming, and where are the rest of them, how about focusing on them instead of kicking the Dems around is what I say

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