MSNBC reporting that the Dept of Justice and the Intelligence Committee have a deal

[Baitball Blogger]

to reveal an UNREDACTED version of the Mueller Report -- along with other documents.


No wonder Trump is blowing up.

[tavernier]

1. To whom?

[pecosbob]

2. To Congress...the people's branch of government

[Baitball Blogger]

5. It will go to Congress, but I thought I heard the word "Intelligence"

[tavernier]

8. Yeah, something fuzzy about that.

[StarfishSaver]

12. The Intelligence Committee

[gldstwmn]

38. Adam Schiff has a higher clearance than most. He is the chair.

[Nevilledog]

3. What does "unredacted version" mean?

It's gotta be the full report, without any redactions, or it's just another redacted report.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. I don't understand why MSNBC hasn't turned away from this panel discussion

to provide more details. They seem to be talking about Trump's blow-up with the Public Infra-structure meeting, and of course Pelosi's cover-up comment.

[Nevilledog]

11. Too much shit hitting the fan at the same time perhaps.

[Baitball Blogger]

13. Someone once said that things will go quickly, when it begins to fall apart.

[Nevilledog]

16. I believe this to be true.

[mopinko]

21. sort of a tautology, tho, i think.

it may be that when things go quickly, it all begins to fall apart.
i think it is the deluge of journalism that is happening now.

[murielm99]

44. When the dam finally broke during Watergate,

I needed a scorecard, but did not have one. I felt like sitting on the floor in the living room with my head in my hands. And I had been faithful in keeping up! Imagine the people who had not paid attention.

I am worried about the people now who are not paying attention. We did not have Faux News during Watergate.

[mopinko]

62. interesting poll this morning, tho.

fox news poll found 81% of people highly or extremely interested in 2020. compares to 82% oct '16.

and if we're lucky, we get a 2fer, and faux comes out looking like the paid propaganda outlet that it is.

[elleng]

53. Sounds and feels right.

[CentralMass]

27. "An unredacted version"

[skypilot]

34. As opposed to...

...THE unredacted version?

[CentralMass]

48. It implies that it might not be the raw report.

[gldstwmn]

39. To me it means everything, including the grand jury testimony.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. Senate or House Intel?

[pecosbob]

7. House Intel

this has been out for a few hours...

here it is, from the WaPo...https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142319125

Little donnie's officially having a bad day.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Thank you!

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I was hoping to find confirmation.

[lillypaddle]

32. If he thinks he's having a bad day

he should reflect on how bad it would be if he were in a cage in Texas in the heat of May.

[Rhiannon12866]

65. Excellent point.

[Chin music]

6. Hope that's correct.

And I also hope there's not a date certain for it...in like Sept. Bc that's been the pattern to cool everyone out everyday. Say "relief is coming"..today, with the proviso,..'but you have to wait. And wait. And wait.' Until possibly, it's too late, we(they), confuse you, or find some lawyer that will make that promise in MAY, unacceptable to them in Sept. but, it got them to Sept. on and on.
And on.

[StarfishSaver]

14. Next week

[DFW]

15. This is one of three things

Scenario 1.) DOJ is going to turn over a doctored version and hope no one who saw the original gets to let the cat out of the bag.

Scenario 2.) Trump and his private legal staff have been (or will be) clued in as how to deal with any and all uncomfortable passages.

Scenario 3.) Barr is throwing in the towel (may or may not include resigning soon--he must have heard where Tillerson was yesterday), and is leaving the moron to twist in the wind.


My guess is somewhere between scenarios one and two, but wouldn't #3 be nice to contemplate?

[Baitball Blogger]

17. Tillerson may have been a tipping point.

But, if that new Mueller report comes out next week, I don't think Trump's private legal staff will be able to keep up with all the information that is being revealed every day. And sometimes, several things in the same day! We just need to keep notice of all that we're learning by the hour, because you know that the powers that will take Trump down, will be two steps ahead of us.

[DFW]

18. As with Nixon

If it comes to that, the powers that will bring Trump down will have an R after their titles (and before their states).

As I have always thought--the tipping point to make his right wing support in Congress evaporate is when they see polls so negatively stacked against them that even with voter suppression and vote counting fraud, they STILL lose the Senate and lose bigger in the House than they did last time. Self-preservation is a far more powerful motivator than loyalty among congressional Republicans. After all, plenty of them were counting on lucrative lobbying jobs after their terms in office. No repeat term in office, no lucrative lobbying job. That is enough to make ANY Republican Congressperson say, "Donald who?"

[Chin music]

19. Right there.

Yep.

[corbettkroehler]

28. Spot On! (n/t)

[not fooled]

30. Yeah, Tillerson

going in for questioning was a BFD--after all, he saw red don up close and personal, after which he called the moron a moron and got fired as a result. And, even though he is an oil soaked plutocrat, he probably doesn't want the country to go down in flames because of the moron. So, he likely didn't pull any punches and spilled the beans on the rampant criminality.

[Baitball Blogger]

31. I'm wondering if he asked Tillerson to push some business deal for him?

[not fooled]

33. Oooohhhh

that's a good point. Much more likely he did than didn't.

And red don no longer really has any hold on Tillerson, unlike many others, so Rex could do the right thing without fear of repercussions (other than perhaps some dirty looks at the country club).

[pecosbob]

35. He was head of Exxon...of course his agenda was exactly the same as Cheney

and every other neo-con oil CEO that oozes into a cabinet post everytime the Rs are in charge.

[Baitball Blogger]

37. Maybe he's being proactive, trying to provide a cushion of immunity or at least,

harsh criticism?

[pecosbob]

42. I think they wanted to grill him

on why the State Department has not yet spent any of the $120 million it has been allocated to combat foreign efforts to meddle in U.S. elections. And Tillerson basically blamed it on Trump.

[Chin music]

58. russian pipelines through Ukraine and elsewhere?

That's why exxon exec. imho.

[gldstwmn]

46. Tillerson witnessed the incident with the interpreter in Hamburg.

He was there. He knows what they talked about. He sacrificed a $180 million retirement package to come work for this administration only to be undermined by Kushner and f'ed over by Trump. This might be key to the outcome of this whole thing.

[maxsolomon]

55. is this the "give me your notes" incident?

there are so many...

[gldstwmn]

56. That's the one. I think that could turn out to be one sticky wicket.

[defacto7]

22. I think #1 would too easily backfire. Too many know the whole report.

[gldstwmn]

40. Tillerson is key I think.

No one even saw him coming.

[Scarsdale]

43. Plus, he volunteered!

He wanted to speak, and diss Kushner.

[gldstwmn]

47. Yup. I'm beginning to wonder if Kushner might

wind up being one of the sacrificial lambs. It won't matter though because if they get Kushner then I'm pretty sure they've got Trump.

[DFW]

51. I'm sure he has the potential to be a fly in the Trump-Barr-McConnell ointment

Tillerson knows plenty about Russian connections. The big question I see is whether or not Tillerson CAN be offered enough to spill all the beans he is holding. He certainly has more money than he knows what to do with, and I don't think he has any felony indictments hanging over his head. So revenge for humiliation seems to be the only motive he could possibly have for cooperating with Congress.

That having been said, revenge for humiliation, as we know only too well after two and a half years of Trump, can be as motivating as money, provided the person in question already has plenty of it (and Tillerson does).

[elleng]

54. HI, DFW. YES for #3!

[DFW]

57. May the Great Spirit grant our wish! n/t

[triron]

61. Why not 3? I say assume the best.

[stopdiggin]

20. aren't there things they can't release?

I thought there were actual legal impediments to releasing some of the report? (Grand jury stuff + ?) Has this changed? Would it (could it) be released to Intelligence under some sort of gag order? Coming from the DOJ, something doesn't sound exactly right here.

[defacto7]

23. The intel commitee already has the right to see the unredacted version.

It's only the DOJ that denies it.

[stopdiggin]

24. Thanks

Thanks. I hadn't got that part.

[gldstwmn]

41. Exactly. Schiff is one of I think 6 Dems

Who has had a high enough security clearance all along to read the unredacted report. Barr had to have known this would happen eventually though. I wonder if he sees that Donnie's sales job of no collusion no obstruction has been a failure to the public or if they have another dirty trick up their sleeve? Either way, I don't think they saw Tillerson coming. That one hurt.
Trump's behavior in the non meeting this morning also seems desperate.

[pecosbob]

25. They basically threw a tantrum in the Rose Garden this morning

Judge Mehta's ruling on Mazar says 'get that sh*t outta my house', Justice backpedals and agrees to release the unredacted report to House Intel, and search warrants for Michael Cohen's phone show over 1000 contacts with principal Russians post election day.

I predict a Tweet Typhoon.

[gldstwmn]

49. It's in full swing. Go look at his feed.

[stopbush]

26. They are turning over documents related to the COUNTERINTELLIGENCE investigation

that was conducted concerning the Russians and the tRump campaign. This was not covered in the Mueller report, per se. Reportedly it will include evidence that was not included in the Mueller Report’s piles of evidence.

[gldstwmn]

50. No one has seen that with the exception of the FBI.

We don;t know what the hell is in that thing. But if Orange's behavior today is any indication...

[stopdiggin]

29. compromise, not the whole deal

NYTimes reporting makes this sound like a compromise deal. Not the whole unredacted report.

NYTimes --
"Mr. Schiff’s subpoena is broad, encompassing Robert S. Mueller III’s full report, its underlying evidence and the intelligence-related materials his investigation produced. But in an effort to find an initial compromise, Mr. Schiff said he would accept documents in 12 narrower categories, though he has not specified publicly what they are."

"The Intelligence Committee appears to be getting material that was not subject to the privilege claim. As one of two congressional bodies charged with overseeing American intelligence agencies, it has strong legal claims on such counterintelligence and intelligence information, and in this case, the Democrats requesting the material had the support of Republicans on the committee.

It is unclear if the department will reconsider Mr. Trump’s privilege claim going forward. Democrats plan to challenge it in court."

[gldstwmn]

36. He is a having a rough day. His Twitter feed is all about this.

He even made a little sign for his podium that said "No Collusion."

[DallasNE]

45. Barr Doesn't Want To Go To Jail After All

The writing was on the wall following the Judge's other ruling that basically said the Administrations argument lacked merit and allowed the stay to expire at the end of this week.

[gldstwmn]

52. He had to have known it was going to go that way though.

I still haven;t figured out Barr's angle in all of this.

[LudwigPastorius]

59. Might be...

the kind of deal that just allows the heads of the Intelligence Committee to view it, but not copy it for dissemination.

I believe that was something the crooks at Justice were proposing earlier.

They don't want it out because they'll lose control of their "no collusion, no obstruction" spin.

[DallasNE]

60. Collusion Is Not A Crime

Conspiracy is a crime. Mueller said he could not charge conspiracy because that requires proving intent. That was the case because people would not talk because of the obstruction in the form of pardons to hand out like candy. I came away with the feeling that those close to the President were not indicted at this time because the result would be a pardon. Wait until Trump is out of office and then charge them, taking away the promise of a pardon. That might also loosen up some lips.

[former9thward]

63. That is NOT what Mueller said in the report.

He did not say he could not charge conspiracy because people "did not talk". The report is online for anyone to read.

[DallasNE]

66. Spliting Hairs Here

The analysis I was paraphrasing did not say "did not talk". It said "would not cooperate". BFD

[former9thward]

67. I am not splitting hairs.

Who did not cooperate? Where in the Mueller report does he complain about non-cooperation affecting the collusion/conspiracy section?

[DallasNE]

68. Let Mueller Testify

[Hekate]

64. Nice