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pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
Wed May 22, 2019, 06:12 PM May 2019

Congress's case for its subpoena on Deutsche bank was a SLAM DUNK. How do I know?

Because today, at the hearing, after the lawyers on both sides made their arguments, the judge took a ten minute recess -- and then read out loud his 25 page opinion, all written and ready to go.

He didn't need a week to consider anything. He didn't even take a day.

He had already written his opinion, refusing to issue an injunction, before the hearing started.

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Congress's case for its subpoena on Deutsche bank was a SLAM DUNK. How do I know? (Original Post) pnwmom May 2019 OP
Excellent news. iluvtennis May 2019 #1
Yes this is very very very bad for rump and his whole family. They said this will provide quite the UniteFightBack May 2019 #2
That SARS thing is the most surprising thing to me Leith May 2019 #7
I work in the financial industry and that is what they push at every opportunity with all the UniteFightBack May 2019 #11
I Worked At SunTrust When The PATRIOT Act And Sarbanes-Oxley Were Enacted corbettkroehler May 2019 #12
I work in IT for a bank KatyMan May 2019 #15
I know nothing about banking, and this is probably out of the IT area, but just in case pnwmom May 2019 #16
Could have photocopied last week's decision... Wounded Bear May 2019 #3
Sort of like today's hissy fit about cover ups BigmanPigman May 2019 #4
So much for the claim that the only way to get the courts to move quickly StarfishSaver May 2019 #5
So far, my thought that the Judicial Branch would be unlikely pnwmom May 2019 #6
Be interesting to find out Linda Ed May 2019 #8
Well, that's a curious story at the Financial Times. pnwmom May 2019 #9
It was rock solid. herding cats May 2019 #10
That's because the 2 sides filed briefs to the Court previously. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #13
They had also filed briefs previously in the Mazars case, but that judge took a week. pnwmom May 2019 #14
KnR Hekate May 2019 #17
Just like we should have had articles if impeachment Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #18
In that case the impeachment would look like an entirely partisan action. pnwmom May 2019 #19
I sincerely hope so...because some people are saying Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #20
Think it may matter whether or not you think Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #21
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
2. Yes this is very very very bad for rump and his whole family. They said this will provide quite the
Wed May 22, 2019, 07:53 PM
May 2019

financial snapshot of what the hell is going on. They will be able to tell if suspicious money is a flowing.

And what about those SAR's? Will that be in there where the higher up's in the bank said poo poo to file them.

Oh this is JUST STARTING.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
7. That SARS thing is the most surprising thing to me
Wed May 22, 2019, 08:39 PM
May 2019

When I was a bank teller, SARs were important to my employer. They pushed them hard. We filled the simple form out every time a cash transaction was under $2,00 and suspicious (which was not often) and every time the cash transaction was between $2,000 and $10,000. If a cash transaction was $10,000 or over, even for a business, they had to fill out and sign the long form and sign it or we refused the transaction. No exceptions.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
11. I work in the financial industry and that is what they push at every opportunity with all the
Wed May 22, 2019, 09:15 PM
May 2019

training and compliance it is constantly being mentioned. You better know your customer...and Deutsche knew rump hence the hold back of the SAR's ...they are in trouble too methinks.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
12. I Worked At SunTrust When The PATRIOT Act And Sarbanes-Oxley Were Enacted
Thu May 23, 2019, 12:39 AM
May 2019

The company's position was quite clear: 100% compliance, 100% of the time and erring on the side of caution. I did not work as a teller. Thus, I didn't have to worry about the long form. However, I can share that this was a BIG DEAL within the bank and required all employees to certify their understanding of the rule ANNUALLY in the form of mandatory computer based training which included a graded quiz.

KatyMan

(4,188 posts)
15. I work in IT for a bank
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:01 PM
May 2019

And even we IT folks know that SARs are really serious business. Have to do compliance training regarding them every year.

pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
16. I know nothing about banking, and this is probably out of the IT area, but just in case
Thu May 23, 2019, 07:48 PM
May 2019

you could answer . . .

Trump got a mortgage for an $11 million house he bought in Florida from a bank called Professional Bank in Coral Cables, that lists less than $900K in assets. How does a bank with less than a million in assets lend more than that just for one house?

Wounded Bear

(58,618 posts)
3. Could have photocopied last week's decision...
Wed May 22, 2019, 07:54 PM
May 2019

and changed some of the names and particulars.

Pretty much the same case.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
4. Sort of like today's hissy fit about cover ups
Wed May 22, 2019, 08:04 PM
May 2019

when he had planned the whole thing and staged it ahead of time.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
5. So much for the claim that the only way to get the courts to move quickly
Wed May 22, 2019, 08:06 PM
May 2019

is to open an impeachment inquiry

pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
6. So far, my thought that the Judicial Branch would be unlikely
Wed May 22, 2019, 08:09 PM
May 2019

to go along with a scheme to reduce their own power seems to be coming true.

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
8. Be interesting to find out
Wed May 22, 2019, 08:41 PM
May 2019

just how involved SCOTUS Kennedy's son was involved with this entire mess and if this was the reason
Kennedy retired... Kennedy suddenly resigned from the Supreme Court as part of a deal to shield his son from ongoing Russian investigations. Was stated he loaned drumpf 1 billion dollars ..Thing is Justice Kennedy had no intentions of retiring as he supposedly had hired his clerks for that term...https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/anthony-kennedy-resignation-trump/


BTW I thought Mueller wasn't involved in the banks?
https://www.ft.com/content/3c357c9a-d9dc-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482


pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
9. Well, that's a curious story at the Financial Times.
Wed May 22, 2019, 08:45 PM
May 2019

Maybe that Deutsche subpoena is connected with some money related matter that Mueller referred on to another US attorney, as he did with the Cohen and campaign finance cases.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
10. It was rock solid.
Wed May 22, 2019, 08:49 PM
May 2019

I was deeply impressed with the case against Trump and the ruling and opinion of Judge Edgardo Ramos.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. That's because the 2 sides filed briefs to the Court previously.
Thu May 23, 2019, 04:51 PM
May 2019

The briefs were their complete factual and legal arguments, citing cases (with cases attached) and explanatory footnotes, and other exhibits.

The Judge (and his staff) considers those and the evidence beforehand.

Then the lawyers and parties appear, make their verbal arguments, and answer the Judge's questions.

pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
14. They had also filed briefs previously in the Mazars case, but that judge took a week.
Thu May 23, 2019, 04:55 PM
May 2019

Ramos signaled that he had already made up his mind before he got there, without hearing any more arguments. Mehta did not.

pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
19. In that case the impeachment would look like an entirely partisan action.
Thu May 23, 2019, 11:45 PM
May 2019

We need to have strong evidence for the impeachment case, when it happens. The Mueller report will be a start but we need much more.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
20. I sincerely hope so...because some people are saying
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:57 AM
May 2019

Pelosi will never get to impeachment no matter what. And that she can't sustain an illogical position that Trump's the worst president in the world, and likely even crazy and also say ...nope to impeachment.

Strikes me as the most logical thing is that the farther you get away from the nonpartisan judgement source, i.e. Mueller, the more partisan this all appears.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
21. Think it may matter whether or not you think
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:17 AM
May 2019

he committed impeachable acts before Mueller report came out.

That's what seems sorely missing here. It's become all about process when it should be focused on everything he's done wrong. Repeated every hour every day.

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