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Thinking back to Spiro Agnew the US Attorney had him cold on bribery charges that would have sent him to prison for a long time. Agnew's lawyers negotiated a "deal" where he would trade his resignation as VP for no jail time.
Trump will probably be in the same position. My feeling is that if he is NOT re-elected then I would prefer they just wait him out and send him to prison. IF there are enough idiots to re-elect him then I think he may be able to get the same deal Agnew got.
Your thoughts?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)If he is out, he will continue to stir up division through twitter and his crazy MAGATS.
hlthe2b
(102,272 posts)All I know is that Nixon's resignation in lieu of impeachment/removal and subsequent pardon put a halt to any REAL deterrent effect on future candidates--at least someone as lawless as Trump. We can not let that happen again.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)LibinMo
(533 posts)X 1000
sop
(10,177 posts)And the media will slavishly report every single lie. At least George W. Bush went back to Texas and took up painting.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,785 posts)Prison will come afterwards.
Resignation is admitting LOSING, DEFEAT. Trump never admits he lost at anything.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I WANT to read his tweet storms from the clink...comedic gold in waiting.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,528 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can't say it, but I'll go with prison as long as he can't tweet or go on television. I never want to see or hear from him again.
trueblue2007
(17,218 posts)kag
(4,079 posts)And I concur.
grumpyduck
(6,235 posts)ooky
(8,922 posts)run to Russia first before he would allow that to happen. I'm not sure a resignation would work if it leaves the door open for a state prosection, which certainly seems to be an issue for President Bonespurs.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)With his combination of idiot brain, fat mouth that won't shut up, and long history assisting them with illegal acts, I would think they would consider having him around a liability.
I think he might find greener pastures in his other favorite country, Saudi Arabia. Isn't that where Idi Amin took refuge? They are similar in many ways.
ooky
(8,922 posts)Perhaps the Saudi's may help him out. He better hope someone wants him because he's likely facing a jail cell somewhere in New York's state penal system if he doesn't find a good place he can run to.
Whatever, he better be careful if he's looking to Putin for help. I'm guessing that Putin could just as easily have him thrown out of an airplane as wanting to actually help him hide from American justice.
shanny
(6,709 posts)A tool to be be discarded when it's job is done. Putin achieves his aim--disrupting and weakening the US--and retains plausible deniability.
Rump won't be running off to Russia. So sad for him.
They could still give him a safe place to land if they wanted to. Its the same with the Saudis. Nobody has any use for him once he is no longer president.
But he would be wise to find a place to run if he wants to avoid incarceration because the State of New York seems to be getting serious about prosecuting him.
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)muttering to passersby about emails.
ScratchCat
(1,990 posts)Even if he is impeached and charged criminally, he would never see the inside of a prison in his life.
Why? He's 73 and with the appeals process, father time is likely to catch up. Further, they wouldn't throw a former POTUS in a federal pin; he'd get what amounts to "lifetime house arrest" at worst. Even when NY State charges him - and they will - he wont do a second of State time for the same reasons.
trev
(1,480 posts)Even at state level, he'd probably just pay a fine.
However, I would enjoy watching his and the GOP's reaction as he is impeached, and then tried by NY. This could constitute years of humiliation for him--and fright for them--and I'm not against that.
Because this isn't about a blow job, as it was with Clinton. It's not even about his adultery and lechery. It's about anti-constitutional behavior and an above-the-law power grab. We need to make sure others are deterred from attempting the same thing.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)LonePirate
(13,420 posts)Prison also sends a valuable message as the right wing fears nothing more than time behind bars.
HAB911
(8,891 posts)"for the good of the country"
Unless it happens after he is out of office
murielm99
(30,740 posts)after he resigned. Nixon did, for the most part. He did the Frost interviews, but no one wanted Nixon to get back into a position where he was regarded as a respected elder statesman.
Trump has to go to jail. He would not shut up if he had a deal like Agnew's. He would crow about how he had "won." He needs to be shut down and shut up.
I used to think it would be okay if he was forced to resign, and we allowed him to frame it as a win. I don't think I feel that way any more. Things have gone too far. He is becoming more of a madman by the day.
global1
(25,247 posts)It's not in his DNA. If he doesn't go to prison and become is stripped of all of his money - he'll continue to insert himself in our faces somehow. Tweets. TV. etc.
He and his family need to be held responsible for their actions and crimes. If not - somewhere down the line - we'll have ourselves another Trump-like character.
People like Trump need to be taught a lesson - that nobody is above the law. We also have to close all the loopholes that this guy exploited so that this country will never face another crisis like this in the future.
in2herbs
(2,945 posts)he certainly didn't stay out of politics, just did his deeds in the dark.
Without a doubt I want Trump impeached but I don't see him ever going to jail for any crime -- or his kids either, because of our two systems of justice. Because of that I'd rather he be forced to resign and be stripped of his pension in lieu of jail, although he's probably going to need his pension to pay all the back taxes that he owes.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)onetexan
(13,041 posts)tblue37
(65,343 posts)SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)Resignation, followed by prison after NY state gets done with him.
Blue Owl
(50,373 posts)All the way, let him rot and fester...
atreides1
(16,079 posts)How about option 3, his head on a pike right next to Pence!!!!
stillcool
(32,626 posts)and so do those who aided and abetted. If it were just money that would be one thing, but this guy is dangerous.
hunter
(38,311 posts)Trump and Pence got up to fight.
Back-to-back they faced one another,
Drew their swords and shot each other.
One was blind and the other couldn't see,
So they chose a dummy for a referee.
A blind man went to see fair play,
A dumb man went to shout "hooray!"
A paralyzed donkey passing by,
Kicked the blind men in the eye,
Knocked him through a nine-inch wall,
Into a dry ditch and drowned them all.
A deaf policeman heard the noise,
And went to arrest the two dead boys.
If you don't believe this lie is true,
Ask the blind man he saw it too!
rurallib
(62,415 posts)They all figure they can just buy their way out of jail or somehow get probation because of their stature.
Just once, JUST ONCE I would like to see a rich man spend some significant time in prison with no privileges.
In Trump's case I would love to see Trump's assets seized and sold to pay back what he has skimmed in "emoluments" and what he has screwed workers out of over the decades.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)anarch
(6,535 posts)so that each U.S. citizen can have the opportunity to personally point at him and laugh, and call him a "loser" to his face.
I don't believe anyone should ever be locked up...it's unethical.
kimbutgar
(21,148 posts)Prison is my first choice and the family name of fat donnie representing the traitor name like Benedict Arnold.
Vinca
(50,271 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)Prison and no time off !!! Were partially in this mess because Agnew and Nixon didnt spend a day in Prison.
Let Trump learn the hard way, with him its the only way.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)tinrobot
(10,900 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)And no club fed for him. He needs to be in a real prison.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)will take care of itself.
Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Celerity
(43,357 posts)her go batshit insane as the years drag grindingly on
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)Spiro did far less than Orange Julius.
fierywoman
(7,683 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,246 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,124 posts)that we all know what their answers would be.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Remember, REVENGE is his animating force. Always has been.
He (and DJTJ, Ivanka, Jared, Eric) must be stripped of all power and privilege or they WILL NOT CEASE to operate a criminal enterprise.
It's a MOB enterprise.
Must stamp it out. Totally. Fully.
Heads on pikes would be good warning to others, although we are likely not going to see that.
Put the freaking fear of the law into cronies and admirers.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)really care where he is when it happens. I just want him to see the MASSIVE crowd at the Democratic President-Elect's inauguration and the unbridled joy and celebration through the entire country (and the Earth) over the next couple days on TV when he and the vermin he infested our government with are GONE.
THEN - step it up, artery-clogging plaques! Do what you do best! Cause I don't want to waste any more of my precious life hearing that thing's opinion about anything at all.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)takes that POS Pence with him
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)I'd pay to see that. Haha.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)The only reason he hasn't been indicted is that he's the current pResident. Once that ends (by resigning or losing the election) the dam breaks and everything dumps on him. The donkeys have been patient, but we're getting awful close.
randr
(12,412 posts)Put him in pink and have him pick up trash along our highway systems.
We would all have the opportunity to flash him a sign of thanks all day long
brush
(53,778 posts)out of office as his businesses are failing and he will be a disgraced pariah.
Ponietz
(2,970 posts)3catwoman3
(23,985 posts)...a casket.
Brawndo
(535 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)n/t
Thunderbeast
(3,408 posts)Let him eat slop and crap in a bucket with no privacy. Let his guards be Hispanics and Blacks.
Put Jr., Ivanka, Jared and Mitch in the compound where they can hear each other scream but can't see each other. Put a TV screen outside his cell that plays Obama's Correspondent's Dinner Roast 7x24. Put warm buckets of KFC outside his cell where he can smell, but not reach.
A man can dream....
Along with the rest of the republicans that aided him in his criminality. Must deter future politicians
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)ariadne0614
(1,729 posts). .to a secure institution that experiments with psychotropic substances. I would prescribe LSD, psilocybin, and/or mescaline, but would be open to other suggestions.
still_one
(92,190 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)Along with the rest of his crooked family.
pnwest
(3,266 posts)jrthin
(4,836 posts)Mersky
(4,981 posts)With no phones or hairspray allowed
Mendocino
(7,490 posts)resignation, prison and stroke.
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BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)Initech
(100,075 posts)I'm looking at you, Mitch.
Now that would be "Draining The Swamp".
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)nice and slow. In a cage, preferably.
yonder
(9,665 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I think that's the worst possible thing that could happen to him in his eyes. Powerless and broke.
GoCubsGo
(32,083 posts)The sooner he's gone, the better. Pence could pardon him for federal charges, but odds are, he's going to go down on state charges, regardless of what happens on the federal level. Nothing anyone can do about that.
calimary
(81,265 posts)enid602
(8,616 posts)Tie them all up Mussolini style.
trueblue2007
(17,218 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Starting with him in prison.
dlk
(11,566 posts)Cattledog
(5,914 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Staph
(6,251 posts)if it is truly house arrest. No travel, limited visitors, absolutely no golf!
Ani Yun Wiya
(797 posts)1. Resignation.
2. Stripped of all assets.
3. Imprisonment.
4. The rope or the gangplank...
I_have_had_enough
(41 posts)Convict him.
Embarrass him.
Shun him.
Only 3rd world countries jail previous leaders.
Cover him with venom.
Then ignore and look to the future.
We own the future, he is irrelevant.