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Sun May 26, 2019, 11:11 AM

Does it make any difference whether or not Mueller testifies?

In public or behind closed doors?

Haven't Trump and Barr already established that the Mueller report is over?

Haven't the Democrats already surrendered this issue?

"Democrats just did not like what Mueller said", they say.

Republicans have moved on from the Mueller report. They believe it cleared Trump, and Democrats have said nothing to dissuade them.

They are moving on to investigate the investigators.

Mueller is old news?

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Reply Does it make any difference whether or not Mueller testifies? (Original post)
kentuck May 2019 OP
guillaumeb May 2019 #1
sprinkleeninow May 2019 #8
guillaumeb May 2019 #10
sprinkleeninow May 2019 #12
guillaumeb May 2019 #14
sprinkleeninow May 2019 #15
guillaumeb May 2019 #17
sprinkleeninow May 2019 #18
guillaumeb May 2019 #21
sprinkleeninow May 2019 #23
guillaumeb May 2019 #25
Mister Ed May 2019 #2
uponit7771 May 2019 #3
peggysue2 May 2019 #4
abqtommy May 2019 #5
kentuck May 2019 #6
PufPuf23 May 2019 #7
OnDoutside May 2019 #9
VOX May 2019 #11
Poiuyt May 2019 #13
GulfCoast66 May 2019 #16
scarytomcat May 2019 #19
TeamPooka May 2019 #20
kentuck May 2019 #22
sprinkleeninow May 2019 #24
Hoyt May 2019 #26

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 11:14 AM

1. Mueller's televised testimony would make it "real" for the millions

who get their facts from the television.

Mueller has credibility, is articulate, and as such, he is is the polar opposite of Trump.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Sun May 26, 2019, 01:56 PM

8. I'm with what you say.

'Allo, dear heart!
I msg. you soon.
It's been rough.

💛

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #8)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:12 PM

10. It is good to see you back.

I will say more tomorrow.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #10)

Sun May 26, 2019, 10:00 PM

12. I needed to reclaim some of 'me'.

💛

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #12)

Tue May 28, 2019, 01:55 PM

14. And to acknowledge the "me"?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #14)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:23 PM

15. Yes, acknowledgement,

but without being a pushy broad, for which at times I have a resemblance. 😉

It's a tad strange. Some close to me have been leaving me be. Mb they just occupied with stuff. Or they 'think' I'm doing not so badly.

Wish I wielded a magic wand to make this disappear.

💛

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #15)

Wed May 29, 2019, 02:13 PM

17. Women are called pushy.

Men are called strong.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #17)

Wed May 29, 2019, 03:58 PM

18. Some males admire strength in a female, some get bummed out.

As is very much still in play in government and otherwise.

I yam who and what I yam. 😤

😍 you!

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #18)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:15 PM

21. Some weak males fear strength in a female.

The key word, of course, is weak.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #21)

Wed May 29, 2019, 07:36 PM

23. Any agent of orange come to mind? 🤔

I have no thing against strong men who wield their strength as per the Holy Writings that describe Christ.

Christ the Head. The male next representing Him in the capacity mirroring how He so loved His that He lay down His life. Then the female who was fashioned from the male's 'side'. Speaketh volumes.

😍

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #23)

Wed May 29, 2019, 09:01 PM

25. The orange one is, to me, the perfect example of an imperfect, weak, male. eom

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 11:18 AM

2. Answers:

In public or behind closed doors?
A: Either.

Haven't Trump and Barr already established that the Mueller report is over?
A: They've falsely claimed that. Certainly not "established" it.

Haven't the Democrats already surrendered this issue?
A: No.

"Democrats just did not like what Mueller said", they say.
A: They say all kinds of crazy shit. What else is new?

Republicans have moved on from the Mueller report. They believe it cleared Trump, and Democrats have said nothing to dissuade them.
A: Republicans only wish the Mueller report were behind them. Democrats have said plenty that would dissuade sane people. But dissuade Republicans? Let's not hold our breath on that.

They are moving on to investigate the investigators.
A: They are moving on to overturn constitutional democracy and replace it with a police-state dictatorship. That must be resisted.

Mueller is old news?
A: Again: they wish.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 11:23 AM

3. Yes, makes it harder for KGOP to distort his words

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 11:32 AM

4. Because of Mueller's stature . . .

his public testimony would be the most effective. His reasoning to testify in private as a way of 'avoiding a public, political spectacle' falls flat for me. The last 3 years has already been a public, political spectacle, a circus of no end.

That being said, short of the public testimony, the immediate release of his words and thoughts would be paramount. This is a man who spent 2 years in the muck of Donald Trump's odious legacy. The public needs to hear every word and have those words shouted from the rooftops. It makes no difference if Barr and Trump and the Republicans have moved on. There's a reason for that: their own complicity in damaging the country and installing an illegitimate president in the White House.

Democrats have not surrendered the issue; the investigations are ongoing, court decisions are being rendered and Trump continues to exhibit consciousness of guilt every day. As far as convincing Republicans? That's a fool's errand since their continuing complicity is threatened by Trump's exposure.

Mueller is old news only if Trump's treasonous behavior is old news. There's no true Democrat who believes that.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 11:41 AM

5. The words found in corrupt memes spouted by corrupt persons

only mean that the truth that Robert Mueller can bring to the table is badly needed. It's a no-brainer, Mueller must testify! Subpoenas must be respected! Impeach! Whatever it takes to get rid of this Cabal of Corruption must get done!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 12:37 PM

6. Honestly, I don't think Democrats have done a good job in countering Barr's conclusions.

They have just let them lay, it seems to me?

They could have said that Barr must not have read the Mueller report? Because we see something totally different than what he sees.

They could have said that we see multiple incidents of collusion, even if there was no definitive proof of conspiracy.

They could have said that Mr Barr was playing "partisan politics" by choosing to overlook the many instances of obstruction by Donald Trump.

They could have said that it is a "cover-up" when they refuse to release the entire document and when they refuse to let the witnesses in the report speak for themselves, even when under subpoena.

Democrats could have done better, in my opinion.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2019, 01:39 PM

7. The Democratic Party and even more so here at DU too much

was expected from Mueller. The continued problem with Mueller is that anything he touches will continue to be clouded rather than the strong argument we want and need to make. Mueller is what he is and he is GOP.

So I am for any Mueller testimony to not be televised.

Impeachment should proceed using what can be useful from Mueller but using issues where strong and clear arguments for impeachment and conviction are evident.

Barr is a nightmare and needs to be addressed as well.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 02:01 PM

9. Yes it does matter. His words will carry weight. What I don't get is why Nadler doesn't simply

state that "I understand the position SC Mueller is in, but this is about the future of Democracy in the United States, and as such we must compel his testimony if it is not voluntary."

Unless there is something else we have not been told, that is the groundwork Nadler should be laying in the media.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2019, 09:31 PM

11. If Mueller would testify *in public* it would be "new news."

As things stand now, Republicans found a way (donít they always?) to control and twist Muellerís report to their advantage. Itís all horseshit, but nevertheless...

If Mueller could quit being a wallflower for a few hours, he could set things right about his findings, and inform the American public what IS in FACT revealed and what IS NOT revealed in his report.

Itíd be a huge service, but I donít think heíll do it, for whatever piss-poor reason.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2019, 12:19 AM

13. It's like the NFL player who beat his girlfriend

Everyone was letting it slide until a video of the incident was discovered. Then it hit home.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:25 PM

16. Nope. Mueller has never meant shit.

Only one thing matters. Elections. I would have thought 18 taught us that.

Trump will never be removed from office unless the American People do so.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:03 PM

19. not really

Congress needs the complete report not just a line here and there. But the conclusions are obvious Russia messed with our election and dump benefited. He then obstructed in a cover-up.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed May 29, 2019, 05:09 PM

20. He needs to tesitify. We still need to know if Barr shut down his investigation on him early

This is the DU member formerly known as TeamPooka.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #20)

Wed May 29, 2019, 06:06 PM

22. It does seem that there are a lot of personal chess moves going on...

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Was he forced to shut down his investigation early?

Did Mueller inform Barr today that he was going to make his statement?

What did Mueller think of Barr's lying about his report?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #22)

Wed May 29, 2019, 07:38 PM

24. Yes, serious and pertinent questions that need answering. eom

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #20)

Wed May 29, 2019, 09:07 PM

26. If Barr, Rosenstein, Whitaker, or trump shut it down, Mueller should have said so earlier, or today.

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