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Tue May 28, 2019, 10:30 AM

Michael Wolff: Mueller drafted a 3-count obstruction indictment against Trump




A spokesperson denies that, but uses very interesting parsed language that leaves a mile-wide opening: “The documents that you’ve described do not exist,” Mueller spokesman Peter Carr said in a statement to the Washington Examiner.

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Reply Michael Wolff: Mueller drafted a 3-count obstruction indictment against Trump (Original post)
StarfishSaver May 2019 OP
PSPS May 2019 #1
ladjf May 2019 #4
PSPS May 2019 #7
LanternWaste May 2019 #11
uponit7771 May 2019 #15
pnwmom May 2019 #30
Bonx May 2019 #31
brush May 2019 #8
PSPS May 2019 #9
brush May 2019 #10
OnDoutside May 2019 #12
uponit7771 May 2019 #16
StarfishSaver May 2019 #21
Me. May 2019 #2
sop May 2019 #27
Butterflylady May 2019 #3
gldstwmn May 2019 #17
TheRealistRealist May 2019 #5
uponit7771 May 2019 #19
California_Republic May 2019 #6
mopinko May 2019 #14
uponit7771 May 2019 #23
PufPuf23 May 2019 #13
uponit7771 May 2019 #18
StarfishSaver May 2019 #22
stopdiggin May 2019 #25
StarfishSaver May 2019 #26
Me. May 2019 #28
stillcool May 2019 #33
Vinca May 2019 #20
onenote May 2019 #24
Me. May 2019 #29
moondust May 2019 #32
lindysalsagal May 2019 #34
4139 May 2019 #35

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:33 AM

1. He's pimping his new book, that's all.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #1)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:39 AM

4. Are you simply stating your opinion or do you have evidence that he is

"pimping" his book?

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Response to ladjf (Reply #4)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:46 AM

7. From the story

The stunning revelation is contained in Siege: Trump Under Fire, which will be published a week from now, on 4 June. It is the sequel to Fire and Fury, Wolff’s bestseller on the first year of the Trump presidency which was published in 2018.


Then, there's this:

In an author’s note, Wolff states that his findings on the Mueller investigation are “based on internal documents given to me by sources close to the Office of the Special Counsel”.

But Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, told the Guardian: “The documents that you’ve described do not exist.”


I'll take Carr's word for this being a lie, but this has already achieved its goal. Wolff will get lots of free air time now to pimp his new book.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #7)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:58 AM

11. You're merely accepting the word of one individual over that of another.

But I get it... we often have to do that in order to reinforce the narrative we've alleged if we have no evidence to support it as such.

You did read the story, yes?

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Response to PSPS (Reply #7)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:17 PM

15. Is Carr the one who said the Bussfeed story was wrong? Cause screw him if it was.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #7)

Tue May 28, 2019, 02:30 PM

30. "The documents that you've described do not exist."

Maybe William Barr ordered them to be destroyed.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #30)

Tue May 28, 2019, 02:32 PM

31. That's likely the answer. Barr had them destroyed.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #1)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:48 AM

8. You don't know that. But whatever, Mueller needs to step up...

and testify publicly. We taxpayers paid for his probe and put much faith in him for nearly two years for him not to let us know definitively what he found out about the obvious fraud in the WH.

Now is not the time for him to let Barr and trump get away with what's so in our face.

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Response to brush (Reply #8)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

9. It's right in the story. Didn't you read it?

The stunning revelation is contained in Siege: Trump Under Fire, which will be published a week from now, on 4 June. It is the sequel to Fire and Fury, Wolff’s bestseller on the first year of the Trump presidency which was published in 2018.


Then, there's this:

In an author’s note, Wolff states that his findings on the Mueller investigation are “based on internal documents given to me by sources close to the Office of the Special Counsel”.

But Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, told the Guardian: “The documents that you’ve described do not exist.”


I'll take Carr's word for this being a lie, but this has already achieved its goal. Wolff will get lots of free air time now to pimp his new book.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #9)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:55 AM

10. What's in the story, what Mueller has to say about Barr and trump?

And the point of my post is that Mueller needs to testify publicly and straighten out all of the inuendos and rumors.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #9)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:58 AM

12. "The documents that you've described do not exist." That's an odd turn of phrase ? Easier to say

that it's entirely untrue, but he didn't.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #12)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:19 PM

16. RIGHT !!! Didn't they do the same bullshit with Buzzfeeds story that ended up correct in just and

... substance !?

Someone on Mueller's team is double speaking and screwing around

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #12)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:32 PM

21. Exactly

attorneys (and their spokespersons) are extraordinarily precise in their language. When they say "The document doesn't exist," they aren't denying the document neve existed - just that it no longer does

In other words, it's possible that Mueller did indeed draft this indictment, but the document was deleted or destroyed. Interesting that the spokesperson did not deny that Mueller ever drafted such a document

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:36 AM

2. And He Shelved It Why?

if he shelved the document, it would not exist

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Tue May 28, 2019, 01:38 PM

27. Perhaps Barr ordered him to shelve it

Mueller really needs to answer a lot of questions.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:38 AM

3. Washington Examiner ?

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #3)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:19 PM

17. The full original article is in The Guardian

It's interesting reading. I've no problem with Wolff "pimping his book." That's what he does for a living so naturally he and his publisher would want to sell it. It doesn't mean what's in it is untrue. I'd love to see copies of the documents. Mueller never leaked during the entire investigation so how the hell did he get those? Is there someone on the team that thought they should come out? It's all very intriguing and sure to send Orange into a Twistorm.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:42 AM

5. I am beginning think that Barr has dirt on Mueller n/t

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Response to TheRealistRealist (Reply #5)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:22 PM

19. IKR !?!?! This story gets thicker and thicker !!!

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 10:43 AM

6. Do not exist...... ( any more)

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Response to California_Republic (Reply #6)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:15 PM

14. yup.

when you can change the meaning of a statement to it's exact opposite that easily, you have good reason to be suspicious.

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Response to California_Republic (Reply #6)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:34 PM

23. THIS !!!! I wish they would stop with the double speak

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 11:08 AM

13. Draft Indictment of Trump Doesn't Exist, Says Mueller's Office

Mueller's spokesman states that the draft indictment never existed.

I am in the minority that did not expect a favorable outcome from Mueller because well Mueller is Mueller.


Michael Wolff’s Claim of ‘Draft Indictment’ of Trump Doesn't Exist, Says Mueller's Office

A spokesman for Robert Mueller has strongly denied a claim from Fire And Fury author Michael Wolff that the special counsel drew up a three-count obstruction of justice indictment against Donald Trump before deciding to ditch it.

The unverified allegation is made in Wolff's new book, Siege: Trump Under Fire, which is due to be published next week. It's the sequel to Fire and Fury, which infuriated the president for its claims about the dysfunctional inner workings of his White House.

The Guardian obtained a copy of the new book and reports that Wolff states his findings about Mueller's supposed draft indictment are “based on internal documents given to me by sources close to the Office of the Special Counsel.” The newspaper writes that it's seen the documents.

More at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michael-wolffs-claim-of-draft-indictment-of-trump-doesnt-exist-says-muellers-office/ar-AAC22WZ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=spartandhp

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #13)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:20 PM

18. Why didn't the spokesperson just say the whole story is wrong ?! The Mueller team didn't tell the...

... truth about the Buzzfeed story when they got the jist and substance correct.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #13)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:33 PM

22. The story and the spokesperson could both be correct

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #22)

Tue May 28, 2019, 01:18 PM

25. note the "based on" language

Note, both side here are using "squishy" language. Wolff: “based on internal documents given to me by sources close to the Office of the Special Counsel.” Which doesn't exactly say, "I HAVE the indictment" or even "I have SEEN Mueller's draft proposal." "Based on," can mean a lot of things .. including I can infer from what I have seen ...

And .. if Mueller did not proceed with this (whatever "this" is) .. wouldn't that kind of let the air out of the whole topic? The gist I'm getting here is that Mueller noodled around with an idea (legal avenue) .. and then dropped it.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #25)

Tue May 28, 2019, 01:28 PM

26. If Mueller did draft such a document, we have no idea why it was shelved

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #13)

Tue May 28, 2019, 01:52 PM

28. Was It A 2 Or 4 Count Indictment?

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #13)

Tue May 28, 2019, 02:46 PM

33. he did not say..

it never existed, he said the document does not exist. Words are important.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:22 PM

20. I think a prepared indictment was well within the realm of possibility.

My impression has been that once Barr was installed, he ordered everything buried so of course no one would verify the claim. I'll probably read it since his last book was pretty good and I don't think any of it was debunked.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:43 PM

24. I'll believe it when I see it

My principal reason for doubting this story is "why Wolff"? Why would someone with access to these documents give them to Wolff out of all of the journalists out there? Why give them to someone who was writing a book rather than to someone who writes for newspaper?

And if the story is true and Wolff has the documents and the Guardian has seen them, it will be interesting to see whether Wolff's book reproduces copies of the documents or the Guardian ever publishes copies of them. If they don't, it's another reason to doubt the veracity of the story.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 02:02 PM

29. After Reading The Article

Mueller comes off rather badly and a disappointment. Where, I wonder, is the brave Marine?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/28/mueller-trump-obstruction-charge-michael-wolff-book-siege-under-fire-news

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 02:42 PM

32. "do not exist"...because...

Barr made sure they were shredded?

Of course that does not mean they never existed.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 02:48 PM

34. Yeah- Like the booze some bring across the border without paying duty doesn't exist, either. Tee hee

"Oh, those empty bottles were from years ago....."

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 03:06 PM

35. Wolff added '.... and you should have seen the size of the fish I had on my line!'

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