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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Guardian has viewed documents concerning Mueller's shelved obstruction of justice indictment
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/28/mueller-trump-obstruction-charge-michael-wolff-book-siege-under-fire-newsThe Guardian obtained a copy of Siege and viewed the documents concerned.
According to a document seen by the Guardian, the first count, under Title 18, United States code, Section 1505, charged the president with corruptly or by threats of force or threatening communication influencing, obstructing or impeding a pending proceeding before a department or agency of the United States.
The second count, under section 1512, charged the president with tampering with a witness, victim or informant.
The third count, under section 1513, charged the president with retaliating against a witness, victim or informant.
Wolff writes that the draft indictment he examines says Trumps attempts to obstruct justice began on the seventh day of his administration, tracing the line of obstruction from National Security Advisor Michael Flynns lies to the FBI about his contacts with Russian representative[s], to the presidents efforts to have [FBI director] James Comey protect Flynn, to Comeys firing, to the presidents efforts to interfere with the special counsels investigation, to his attempt to cover up his son and son-in-laws meeting with Russian governmental agents, to his moves to interfere with Deputy Director of the FBI Andrew McCabes testimony
enough
(13,259 posts)story last year.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... sent out some double speak to make it seem like it wasn't in jist and substance.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)I think he took his marching orders from Barr.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Good to keep the perfidy in the spotlight EVERY FREAKING DAY.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)I still believe that Roger Stone and his dirty tricksters had something to do with setting Rather up...
There is also the slime-bag at "Project Veritis" to watch out for....
usaf-vet
(6,181 posts)A document that was fed to him. So they could put his reporting into question based on a document without answering to the content of the document.
I was an air force medic when GWB was in the reserves. I believe Bush knew he couldn't pass the flight physical because of illicit substances in his system. It was not uncommon to order pilots to pee in the cup without warning. ESPECIALLY with air national guard troops.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Rove was excellent at that kind of trick, from the time he worked for Bush Sr. in TX where he did something similar to win an election.
There was plenty of talk throughout his rise to power about W and cocaine. He did some unexplained community service. Lots of strings to pull, but the stories never made it to the national conversation.
Regarding George and the draft, I did some research in the runup to the election to identify the poor fellow from Midland TX who went to Vietnam in W's place. The person most likely to have replaced him was killed in a rice paddy on his first day there. I have the name tucked away somewhere.
In addition to avoiding Vietnam by getting into the Texas Air National Guard by his daddy's privilege, W went AWOL from his duties. He simply stopped showing up. In wartime. THAT info should have kept him from winning an election. Plenty of citizen investigators put the proof together. A pig farmer in Iowa did the deep dive reseasch and found his records. Dozens of us did everything we could to break that story in the national press. On the Friday before Election Day, Senator Bob Kerrey called a press conference where he planned to ask George W. to explain his absence from duty to the American people. On that day, A FOX affiliate reporter in New England broke the story of W's old DUI. And that obliterated the AWOL story. Karl Rove was a master at obliterating bad news with other news. It's unsettling that Rove is now working with Brad Parscale on the Trump campaign.
There we are.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)And yes let us hope it is true.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,605 posts)If Meuller drafted actual indictments, what more proof is need for impeachment?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)medyhar
(19 posts)And Mueller needs to testify under oath about it.
Lonestarblue
(9,986 posts)If the draft indictment exists, the next question is why it was not released with the reportor was it and then hidden by Barr?
calimary
(81,238 posts)Sure seems like its high time we started an impeachment inquiry! As I understand it, such an formal inquiry sets the table for all that foot-dragging and refusal to testify and defying subpoenas to be knocked down and cleared away. Puts more teeth into House investigations.
And we all need this!
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)charliea
(260 posts)Since Mueller specifically didn't include an indictment in the final report, there was no need to release any proposed indictment filing. Why clutter the airwaves with irrelevant material?
#RESIST
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)If we discover that Mueller actually did intend to indict, but Barr blocked him, that is a big deal. The exact opposite of irrelevant in a Barr impeachment inquiry.
Nevermypresident
(781 posts)be prohibited . He stated he has and will continue to follow the DOJ memo, therefore, I do not think he would confirm or provide the House with such.
From his press conference today (snipped):
"It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president can not be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited."
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/29/727889232/read-special-counsel-robert-muellers-full-statement?utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=nprnews
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)Curtis
(348 posts)I bet Barr not only shut down the entire Mueller probe but also didn't include the indictments and told Mueller it isn't his job to indict a sitting president because of the standing DOJ policy to not do so.
Of course we need to have the testimony under oath, and I bet that's why Mueller wants to have it behind closed doors. He knows he isn't allowed to make those statements in public and knows what kind of public uproar it would cause. Of course to do so behind closed doors would continue to he said/he said between the Democrats and the lying GOP, which would get us no where.
In my most humble opinion, beginning an impeachment process with Mueller and his team as the first witnesses walking the entire nation through what happened would be the best thing to happen. Have Mueller testify for a week or so and play out the movie for the world to watch on their television so there's no more hiding behind closed doors or transcripts or ignoring subpoenas. Just do it and get it over with already.
debsy
(530 posts)My bet is there is no "there" there. Just an attempt to inflate book sales. Corporate America at its finest.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)Mueller is a special counsel not an independent counsel. The latter reported to Congress. The special counsel reports to the attorney general.