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Tue May 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

Amash is at it again. And this thread's a long one.



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Reply Amash is at it again. And this thread's a long one. (Original post)
demmiblue May 2019 OP
Pantagruel May 2019 #1
hlthe2b May 2019 #2
Hortensis May 2019 #3
hlthe2b May 2019 #4
Hortensis May 2019 #5
KY_EnviroGuy May 2019 #6
Hortensis May 2019 #8
KY_EnviroGuy May 2019 #9
Hortensis May 2019 #11
Qutzupalotl May 2019 #7
KY_EnviroGuy May 2019 #10

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 11:49 AM

1. Can/should Amash

initiate impeachment himself ? Might be more relevant coming from a GOP legislator? What about impeaching Barr, does that start in the House?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:03 PM

2. He should be enlisting like-minded R's in Congress (and I know there are some cowardly ones)

to bring several dozen together to sponsor impeachment.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:12 PM

3. Amash is an outlier, a "libertarian" who's irritated the Republican

caucus for years now. No one would accept his leadership.

And, anyway, if you think about it courage, independent thought and principles are what would be needed, and the RW donors finished up 3 decades of purging those from their caucuses most of a decade ago now. Basically corrupted authoritarian followers now. If one gets a brain tumor, maybe he'll call for impeachment on his death bed, as fire insurance.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #3)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:18 PM

4. There are some who speak boldly behind the scenes.. Multiple MSM reporters have confirmed.

Do I think they will find a spine and act? No. But, they certainly won't without peers calling them on their cowardice.

We all know the reality, but the question was what can Amash be doing BESIDES his tweets.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue May 28, 2019, 12:37 PM

5. Not leading a faction of 1 is my guess. However, it's been

sounding as if early stirrings of a real faction might be happening. "Courage" would come from having a strong authority to follow and a crowd to be part of, energized by fear of losing their jobs and status.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #5)

Tue May 28, 2019, 02:30 PM

6. But it would bust Reagan's 11th Commandment and so they would go to hell.

"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

I'm surprise the GOP has not petitioned the major churches to have the Bible amended to that effect.

For any on DU that have not heard of this one, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #6)

Tue May 28, 2019, 04:36 PM

8. Yes, they tend naturally conforming, cohesive and

authoritarian with top-down hierarchy, but the Republican Party has been internally divided for some while. Not its grand old self by any means.

Wish we knew how all this would end. It really seemed they were committing party suicide two years ago by blatantly betraying their own voters and nation. Possibly what we were really seeing was an inflection point of commitment to securing power and wealth by siding entirely with the ultrawealthy RW and taking over government and the electoral system itself, a direction they'd been heading anyway. They may not be quite at an all hang together or hang separately point now, but seem pretty close.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #8)

Tue May 28, 2019, 07:17 PM

9. "authoritarian with top-down hierarchy" is right.....

and it all exists within a tightly controlled closed bubble - starting with mom and dad, then the preacher, then their boss at work, then a chain of GOP politicians, then president, then their god of choice. Something like that. They have their own RW media, their own RW churches, RW companies to buy products from and a closed group of personal RW friends. No outside people or information allowed.

At 71 YO now, I'm not seeing an end to this RW madness in my lifetime as I watch it worsen around the globe. As you mentioned, it's secretly funded by the ultra-wealthy and all the while, income and asset inequality is getting worse every day.

It all boils down to the GOP having access to an unlimited supply of money from a fairly small group of global plutocrats. Need a cool $107 million for your inauguration? - no problem!

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #9)

Tue May 28, 2019, 08:00 PM

11. Yes. But our grandparents stopped it, in our nation

anyway, and our history is only of liberty, equality and democracy. We even have that dangerous period and the rather magnificent way they turn it to great advances to look to.

I have hope. With the world's great technological advances, in spite of everything what comes next should be mankind's best era ever.

Fascism is the state. Liberalism is the individual. ~ Musselini

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Tue May 28, 2019, 03:43 PM

7. Full text:

Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented key aspects of Mueller’s report and decisions in the investigation, which has helped further the president’s false narrative about the investigation.

After receiving Mueller’s report, Barr wrote and released a letter on March 24 describing Barr’s own decision not to indict the president for obstruction of justice. That letter selectively quotes and summarizes points in Mueller’s report in misleading ways.

Mueller’s report says he chose not to decide whether Trump broke the law because there’s an official DoJ opinion that indicting a sitting president is unconstitutional, and because of concerns about impacting the president’s ability to govern and pre-empting possible impeachment.

Barr’s letter doesn’t mention those issues when explaining why Mueller chose not to make a prosecutorial decision. He instead selectively quotes Mueller in a way that makes it sound—falsely—as if Mueller’s decision stemmed from legal/factual issues specific to Trump’s actions.

But, in fact, Mueller finds considerable evidence that several of Trump’s actions detailed in the report meet the elements of obstruction, and Mueller’s constitutional and prudential issues with indicting a sitting president would preclude indictment regardless of what he found.

In noting why Barr thought the president’s intent in impeding the investigation was insufficient to establish obstruction, Barr selectively quotes Mueller to make it sound as if his analysis was much closer to Barr’s analysis than it actually was:

Barr quotes Mueller saying the evidence didn’t establish that Trump was personally involved in crimes related to Russian election interference, and Barr then claims that Mueller found that fact relevant to whether the president had the intent to obstruct justice.

But Mueller’s quote is taken from a section in which he describes other improper motives Trump could have had and notes: “The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.” None of that is in Barr’s letter.

As a result of Barr’s March 24 letter, the public and Congress were misled. Mueller himself notes this in a March 27 letter to Barr, saying that Barr’s letter “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions.”

Mueller: “There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.”

To “alleviate the misunderstandings that have arisen,” Mueller urged the release of the report’s introductions and executive summaries, which he had told Barr “accurately summarize [Mueller’s] Office’s work and conclusions.”

Barr declined; he allowed the confusion to fester and only released the materials three weeks later with the full redacted report. In the interim, Barr testified before a House committee and was misleading about his knowledge of Mueller’s concerns:

Barr was asked about reports “that members of [Mueller’s] team are frustrated…with the limited information included in your March 24th letter, that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report’s findings. Do you know what they’re referencing with that?”

Barr absurdly replied: “No, I don’t…I suspect that they probably wanted more put out.” Yet Mueller had directly raised those concerns to Barr, and Barr says he “suspect[s]” they “probably” wanted more materials put out, as if Mueller hadn’t directly told him that.

In subsequent statements and testimony, Barr used further misrepresentations to help build the president’s false narrative that the investigation was unjustified.

Barr notes that Mueller did not “find any conspiracy to violate U.S. law involving Russia-linked persons and any persons associated with the Trump campaign.” He then declares that Mueller found “no collusion” and implies falsely that the investigation was baseless.

But whether there’s enough evidence for a conviction of a specific crime which Mueller thought was appropriate to charge is a different and much higher standard than whether the people whom Mueller investigated had done anything worthy of investigation.

In truth, Mueller’s report describes concerning contacts between members of Trump’s campaign and people in or connected to the Russian government.

For instance, Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Russian lawyer whom Trump Jr. had been told worked for the Russian government and would provide documents to “incriminate Hillary,” as part of the Russian government’s “support for Mr. Trump.”

It’s wrong to suggest that the fact that Mueller did not choose to indict anyone for this means there wasn’t a basis to investigate whether it amounted to a crime or “collusion,” or whether it was in fact part of Russia’s efforts to help Trump’s candidacy.

Barr says the White House “fully cooperated” with the investigation and that Mueller “never sought” or “pushed” to get more from the president, but the report says Mueller unsuccessfully sought an interview with the president for over a year.

The report says the president’s counsel was told that interviewing him was “vital” to Mueller’s investigation and that it would be in the interest of the public and the presidency. Still Trump refused.

The president instead gave written answers to questions submitted by the special counsel. Those answers are often incomplete or unresponsive. Mueller found them “inadequate” and again sought to interview the president.

Ultimately, the special counsel “recogniz[ed] that the President would not be interviewed voluntarily” and chose not to subpoena him because of concerns that the resulting “potentially lengthy constitutional litigation” would delay completion of the investigation.

Barr has so far successfully used his position to sell the president’s false narrative to the American people. This will continue if those who have read the report do not start pushing back on his misrepresentations and share the truth.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #7)

Tue May 28, 2019, 07:30 PM

10. K&R. Thanks!

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