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Vidal

(642 posts)
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:30 AM May 2019

Bannon: This could bring down Trump's presidency

"Steve Bannon says supporters will turn when tax records reveal Trump’s ‘just another scumbag’: Michael Wolff"

This is a new article that discusses Wolff's book and what Bannon had to say about Trump:

President Donald Trump’s former chief strategist believes a thorough investigation will reveal his family business is a “semi-criminal enterprise” — and ultimately end his presidency.

The president is fighting congressional orders to turn over his tax returns, putting Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin in possible legal peril, and former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon said Trump has every reason to fear their release, according to excerpts from a new book reported by The Guardian.

“Trump was vulnerable because for 40 years he had run what increasingly seemed to resemble a semi-criminal enterprise,” wrote author Michael Wolff in his forthcoming book, “Siege.”

Bannon, who is quoted extensively in this book and Wolff’s previous White House tell-all, “Fire and Fury,” takes that even further.

“I think we can drop the ‘semi’ part,” Bannon told Wolff. Bannon said investigations into Trump’s finances will eventually cause his strongest supporters to turn on the president, when they realize he’s not nearly as wealthy as he claims to be.

In Siege, Wolff quotes Bannon saying investigations into Trump’s finances will cut adrift even his most ardent supporters: “This is where it isn’t a witch hunt,” Bannon said. “Even for the hard core, this is where he turns into just a crooked business guy, and one worth $50 million instead of $10 billion.”

“Not the billionaire he said he was,” Bannon added, “just another scumbag."


Link: https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/steve-bannon-says-supporters-will-turn-when-tax-records-reveal-trumps-just-another-scumbag-michael-wolff/?utm_source=push_notifications


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Bannon: This could bring down Trump's presidency (Original Post) Vidal May 2019 OP
Just Another Scumbag (R) Achilleaze May 2019 #1
Actually, "trump" will become a swear word, esp if we use it as such: "Go Trump yourself, you ... Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #11
I already use the word "trunt" fairly frequently. MrModerate May 2019 #24
Spell check is not your friend PJMcK May 2019 #30
It will not faze the extreme right, but could cook his goose with Independents abd swing voters. olegramps May 2019 #23
Bannon's not stupid DeminPennswoods May 2019 #2
I agree Vidal May 2019 #3
Nah Cosmocat May 2019 #14
Even Nixon still had 1/4 of Americans DeminPennswoods May 2019 #36
I hope they can drop to even that point Cosmocat May 2019 #38
People forget that Haldeman came from DeminPennswoods May 2019 #47
All Nixon's people Vidal May 2019 #48
I don't doubt it Cosmocat May 2019 #49
Thank God Vidal May 2019 #51
He's not entirely stupid, but he's also not that bright either. NEOBuckeye May 2019 #19
I've just read Malcolm Nance's book ... Whiskeytide May 2019 #52
Agree Vidal May 2019 #56
So, voters were not Scarsdale May 2019 #4
Trump is not a billionaire and he might not even be a millionaire it is all a big con Botany May 2019 #5
Trump is probably a "paper billionaire" jmowreader May 2019 #25
Good point Vidal May 2019 #31
Trump doesn't even know what numbers mean. Dave Starsky May 2019 #37
LOL Vidal May 2019 #41
I know I'm right. Dave Starsky May 2019 #58
I fear that is wishful thinking... Wounded Bear May 2019 #6
give me a break AlexSFCA May 2019 #7
YEP Cosmocat May 2019 #50
I'm sorry; I don't see the large majority of Trumpanzees turning bullwinkle428 May 2019 #8
The only important thing is swing voters Vidal May 2019 #9
Note he says tRump core will turn only on the fakeness of his wealth, not the illegality. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #10
As they say, your lips to God's ears. pdsimdars May 2019 #12
bannon underestimates the trump cult. Kurt V. May 2019 #13
YEP Cosmocat May 2019 #15
which is weird Vidal May 2019 #16
he's probably jealous bc trump does it so much better. Kurt V. May 2019 #55
Maybe Vidal May 2019 #57
Oh please. The only way they'll turn on Trump is if he stops being a racist. SunSeeker May 2019 #17
His supporters already know he's "just another scumbag." They just don't care. Texin May 2019 #18
I've said from day ONE that he's not afraid of Russians in his taxes, its lack of income. oldsoftie May 2019 #20
This is the scumbag that . . . peggysue2 May 2019 #21
I hope something does. calimary May 2019 #22
Brava Speaker Nancy Pelosi saidsimplesimon May 2019 #26
Agreed empedocles May 2019 #28
She is torturing him Vidal May 2019 #42
There is no "semi-criminal". SergeStorms May 2019 #27
you are right, but Vidal May 2019 #34
Oh, I want that too! SergeStorms May 2019 #54
As of 12:13p DJIA seems to lean Bannon's way - down 344, back to 25,000 level. empedocles May 2019 #29
Marketwatch has a couple of interesting articles. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #33
Interesting Vidal May 2019 #35
Hope springs eternal ... lpbk2713 May 2019 #32
It will cost him a few points. Every point against him helps us defeat him. Dawson Leery May 2019 #39
Agree Vidal May 2019 #43
If his disapproval hits the upper 50's in the Fall of 2020. Dawson Leery May 2019 #60
I Fear Nothing itcfish May 2019 #40
K&R Scurrilous May 2019 #44
Here's a question. jayfish May 2019 #45
No stealing my question! Ilsa May 2019 #46
LOL, as if Trump supporters don't already know he is a scumbag Skittles May 2019 #53
Bannon's Done with him, lol. Nt BootinUp May 2019 #59

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. Just Another Scumbag (R)
Wed May 29, 2019, 08:32 AM
May 2019

will be the epitaph on the grave of the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, and republican family-values role model.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,403 posts)
11. Actually, "trump" will become a swear word, esp if we use it as such: "Go Trump yourself, you ...
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:55 AM
May 2019

As in "Go trump yourself, you mother-trumping trump-wit."

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
23. It will not faze the extreme right, but could cook his goose with Independents abd swing voters.
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:44 AM
May 2019

The majority of the Republicans are in denial, and that ain't the river in Egypt.

DeminPennswoods

(15,235 posts)
2. Bannon's not stupid
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:17 AM
May 2019

For all his xenophobia and misogony, Bannon is an economic populist and understands that mindset in Trump voters.

I've thought for awhile the reason Trump has been fighting investigations into his business and finances is exactly this reason. He sold himself to voters as "a successful businessman". If financial records show him to be a big phony, I do think his voters will be seriously disillusioned.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
14. Nah
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:59 AM
May 2019

he could have $0 in cash reserves, be be Jerry Sundusky's evil twin brother and live stream leading a 24 hour satan worshiping festival and it would not drop his "base" (republican support primarily) support by what you can count on your fingers.

Cause ... LIBERALS!!!!!!

DeminPennswoods

(15,235 posts)
36. Even Nixon still had 1/4 of Americans
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:42 PM
May 2019

on his side when he resigned and after all the Watergate material and tapes came out. I think 25-30% is the floor for Republican presidents. The 20+% of voters polled who say they "strongly approve" is Trump's base and they will not leave him, but the balance, call them "Trump try'ers", are, imho, fall into the group who will end up disillusioned with Trump.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
38. I hope they can drop to even that point
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:21 PM
May 2019

just think this country has been brainwashed so much since Nixon, not sure we will.

DeminPennswoods

(15,235 posts)
47. People forget that Haldeman came from
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:38 PM
May 2019

J Walter Thompson advertizing agency. He knew how to influence opinion.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
49. I don't doubt it
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:14 PM
May 2019

but, they did not have the direct syringe into the arms of the zombies that the cons and 45 have today with the internet.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
51. Thank God
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:20 PM
May 2019

They would have found ways to abuse it even worse than Trump and his flunkies are doing.

One thing you have to admit about Nixon and his people: they were VERY smart. Much smarter than Trump's crew of idiots.

NEOBuckeye

(2,775 posts)
19. He's not entirely stupid, but he's also not that bright either.
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:24 AM
May 2019

This coming from a man who believed Europe was ready for another round of fascism when the recent EU election returns said otherwise.

Bannon is the type of guy who thinks 2+2 is really 5 and portrays himself as some kind of sinister genius because of it.

Whiskeytide

(4,452 posts)
52. I've just read Malcolm Nance's book ...
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:37 PM
May 2019

... “The Plot to Destroy Democracy”, and he mentions Bannon quite a bit. He also discusses in detail the inroads the alt-right, neo-nazi, anti-immigrant, nationalistic organizations and political parties have made in Europe over the last two decades. It is more than a little frightening how much control they have acquired. The shit we're dealing with now has been the political landscape in many European countries for a long time.

So Bannon may or may not be a smart guy. But he was not completely off base when he postulated that Europe might be ready for an ultra conservative leaning makeover.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
56. Agree
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:05 PM
May 2019

Unfortunately he may be a lot smarter than most people think, and he is trying to disrupt European politics.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
4. So, voters were not
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:33 AM
May 2019

turned off by his lack of morals, lack of character, lack of "class" or even lack of intelligence? However finding out that he is not super wealthy will be a big turnoff? Says a lot about his supporters, doesn't it? Bannon always looks as though he needs a good hosing down. He never looks clean or well put together. Franklin Graham was organizing a prayer day for tRump, since he is besieged by the democratic pols. I wonder how that went? I imagine donations were required to the Graham scam. Franklin might need a newer model jet plane. These religious scam artists must be getting something from their support of a man who breaks every one of their moral rules.

Botany

(70,100 posts)
5. Trump is not a billionaire and he might not even be a millionaire it is all a big con
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:37 AM
May 2019

And there was Russian money behind "The Apprentice" in order to sell the meme
that Donny was some genius billionaire business tycoon to the rubes.

jmowreader

(50,354 posts)
25. Trump is probably a "paper billionaire"
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:04 AM
May 2019

At least by his own accounting standards. If Trump has his name on the master deed to a $1 billion building, but his equity in the place is $100,000, Generally Accepted Accounting Principles would say Trump’s net worth has been enriched by $100,000. Trump claims the whole billion.

The reality is my net worth is probably higher than Trump’s, and I have no real estate.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
31. Good point
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:23 AM
May 2019

we know Trump has a history of fudging the numbers, so the truth could be very embarrassing for Trump. let's hope.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
37. Trump doesn't even know what numbers mean.
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:58 PM
May 2019

He just knows some numbers sound impressive, like "millions", "billions"... He just slaps a random digit on the front, and he's good to go.

Whenever he describes the count of something, whether it be angry Democrats or how many electoral votes he got, it's NEVER the same number twice.

I seriously doubt he can add two numbers between 20 and 70 in his head.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
58. I know I'm right.
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:21 PM
May 2019

Back in 2006, Howard Stern had Trump, Ivanka, and Don Jr. on his show. Since Trump purports to have gone to Wharton business school, and the whole family is portrayed as being business geniuses, Howard asked them all what 17 times 6 is. They all hemmed and hawed and stalled for time, but none of them could answer the question. Ivanka finally said the problem wasn't "business relevant". At last, Donald Senior, realizing how stupid his family looked on national television and/or radio, blurted out an answer in attempt to change the subject: "1,112".

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
7. give me a break
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:40 AM
May 2019

the last thing his supporters care about is his tax return. As long as he maintains his open racism, they’ve got his back.

bullwinkle428

(20,625 posts)
8. I'm sorry; I don't see the large majority of Trumpanzees turning
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:41 AM
May 2019

on him because of this revelation. Some will just claim "fake news", while others simply won't care even if they fully believe the news to be true.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
9. The only important thing is swing voters
Wed May 29, 2019, 09:43 AM
May 2019

is for all the remaining "swing" voters to turn against him and come out and vote so he gets smashed in 2020 by at least 20%. The Trumpsters are only about 35% of America and you are right, they will never turn on him.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
57. Maybe
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:06 PM
May 2019

Trump has a knack for being a conman and getting people to trust his lies, which Bannon doesn't seem to have.

SunSeeker

(51,111 posts)
17. Oh please. The only way they'll turn on Trump is if he stops being a racist.
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:12 AM
May 2019

And that will never happen.

Texin

(2,579 posts)
18. His supporters already know he's "just another scumbag." They just don't care.
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:19 AM
May 2019

He's THEIR scumbag, and they're just like him (or want to be).

oldsoftie

(12,313 posts)
20. I've said from day ONE that he's not afraid of Russians in his taxes, its lack of income.
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:34 AM
May 2019

His whole image is tied to Mr Big Successful Businessman, and if its shown that he only made 400k in '15 he'll look like a chump

peggysue2

(10,743 posts)
21. This is the scumbag that . . .
Wed May 29, 2019, 10:34 AM
May 2019

Steve Bannon praised to the rooftops and then attempted to ride the illegitimate glide path into the WH for his own purposes, as in Burn the House Down.

A scumbag calling out another scumbag. Perfect!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
26. Brava Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:08 AM
May 2019

Keep up the great work of the drip, drip, drip on the way to expose the emperor as he is disrobed one garment at a time. Building to a finale, exposing the lies for the media and the American public.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
42. She is torturing him
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:19 PM
May 2019

I really believe this. Pelosi is destroying Trump little by little, day by day.

In Nancy I trust.

SergeStorms

(18,608 posts)
27. There is no "semi-criminal".
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:11 AM
May 2019

There is either criminal, or not criminal. Donald Trump and his family's businesses are criminal enterprises. Donald Trump committed multiple crimes by obstructing justice. It's now up to the House of Representatives to begin impeachment proceedings. Immediately.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
34. you are right, but
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:38 AM
May 2019

i think what's more important is to get the truth out and let the 2020 election bury Trump. Then after he leaves office he can be indicted, arrested, put on trial, found guilty and go to jail.

SergeStorms

(18,608 posts)
54. Oh, I want that too!
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:46 PM
May 2019

But I also want the orange asshole impeached. Force the republican senators to go on record as covering up for a criminal enterprise. Dare them! Up to now they've had it pretty easy. All they do is sit back and do nothing. Force them to go on record about this!

Then, after Trump is impeached, let the other charges cascade down upon him and lock his criminal, cruel, lying ass up. For life!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
33. Marketwatch has a couple of interesting articles.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:36 AM
May 2019

Stocks fall after Mueller delivers farewell. They are still closing above 24,000. How are retirement investment portfolios doing is what seniors near retirement or in retirement should consider?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-falls-as-mueller-set-to-make-lengthy-and-substantial-statement-on-russia-probe-2019-05-29?mod=mw_quote_news

Stock market extends fall as Mueller says charging president was 'not an option we could consider'
Published: May 29, 2019 11:23 a.m. ET

Mark DeCambre


https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/rare-earth-metals-china-trade-weapon-51558622125?mod=mw_quote_news

China Has a Trade Weapon

May 29, 2019

Al Root


Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
39. It will cost him a few points. Every point against him helps us defeat him.
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:12 PM
May 2019

Trump's floor is about 38%. America is divided in ways that it was not in Nixon's (27%) and Dubya's (28%) times.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
60. If his disapproval hits the upper 50's in the Fall of 2020.
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:06 PM
May 2019

it will be a double digit landslide loss for the GOP.

jayfish

(10,035 posts)
45. Here's a question.
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:27 PM
May 2019

Why was he allowed to run a criminal enterprise for 40 years unencumbered by interference from local, state or federal law enforcement?

Ilsa

(61,638 posts)
46. No stealing my question!
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:33 PM
May 2019


How many palms of authorities did he grease while those authorities threatened loss of job to anyone wanting to do the right thing? How many mafioso types were involved?
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