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imanamerican63

(16,407 posts)
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:50 AM May 2019

Ok, I get that Mueller is a tight place.

But, he needs to clarify is findings to the public. Trump can't get away with this no matter what! Our country deserves to know the who, what and how deep this goes!

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Ok, I get that Mueller is a tight place. (Original Post) imanamerican63 May 2019 OP
He's unwillingly to testify publicly SHRED May 2019 #1
Ya' got me? imanamerican63 May 2019 #2
my guess is his job was to find facts, not offer opinion TalenaGor May 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author tinrobot May 2019 #6
Did you listen to what Mueller said? Do you understand? Claritie Pixie May 2019 #3
But the report is highly redacted by Barr! imanamerican63 May 2019 #7
No. Congress needs to do it. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #8
1/8th of the report is redacted. Dr Hobbitstein May 2019 #12
The parts that redacted are the highly critical parts! imanamerican63 May 2019 #16
I read the report. Pretty easy to get what was going on. Dr Hobbitstein May 2019 #17
Mueller is bound by law and DOJ policy Pantagruel May 2019 #5
tight place? rampartc May 2019 #9
"loyal to an authoritarian"? You weren't listening. He's telling Congress to impeach. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #11
Clearer? He says Pay Attention Americans and My Hands are Tied Yours are Not. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #10
Agreed. It's all there, plain as day. nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2019 #13
"There is probable cause to believe the President HopeAgain May 2019 #15
As he said, he can't say that because there would be no trial of sitting Pres so no defense. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #19
President apparently won't need to defend himself, HopeAgain May 2019 #20
Depends whether Ds impeach & Rs convict or if Ds investigate & PUBLIC CONVICTS (de-elects). . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #21
Typical law enforcement/military mindset HopeAgain May 2019 #14
Yeah gratuitous May 2019 #18

TalenaGor

(1,227 posts)
4. my guess is his job was to find facts, not offer opinion
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:54 AM
May 2019

And if he testify, he will be asked for opinions....

Response to SHRED (Reply #1)

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
3. Did you listen to what Mueller said? Do you understand?
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:54 AM
May 2019

DOJ, by their own policy, is unable to charge or absolve a sitting president.

Mueller can't charge and Barr can't absolve.

The evidence is there. It's up to Congress to do their duty and take it from here.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
17. I read the report. Pretty easy to get what was going on.
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:54 PM
May 2019

Most of the redactions were about ongoing investigations.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
5. Mueller is bound by law and DOJ policy
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:55 AM
May 2019

Today he asked Congress to do their jobs.
Congress can still use Mueller to make their case but he's not going to be judge and jury.

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
9. tight place?
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:37 PM
May 2019

he can testify truthfully or he can remain loyal to an authoritarian who will feed him to his twitter followers one piece at a time.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
11. "loyal to an authoritarian"? You weren't listening. He's telling Congress to impeach. . . . nt
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:40 PM
May 2019

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
10. Clearer? He says Pay Attention Americans and My Hands are Tied Yours are Not.
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:39 PM
May 2019

Pay attention, Americans! (His last piece of the statement)

And I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interference in our election. That allegation deserves the attention of every American. Thank you.


My hands are tied, yours are not!

And second, the opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrong doing.


Could not be clearer.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
15. "There is probable cause to believe the President
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:52 PM
May 2019

committed an impeachable offense." How about something like that for clearer?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
19. As he said, he can't say that because there would be no trial of sitting Pres so no defense.
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:03 PM
May 2019

People, including sitting Presidents, are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

But, people can't read the true impact of what Mueller said because he really said all the things Democrats have been asking him to say, but only in prosecutorial language.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
20. President apparently won't need to defend himself,
Wed May 29, 2019, 02:55 PM
May 2019

and Mueller is just passing the buck. I think he had the authority to draw a conclusion, just not to file an indictment. The real problem will have been those who chose to be bystanders.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
21. Depends whether Ds impeach & Rs convict or if Ds investigate & PUBLIC CONVICTS (de-elects). . . . nt
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:04 PM
May 2019

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
14. Typical law enforcement/military mindset
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:50 PM
May 2019

Following protocols/superiors over doing the right thing.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
18. Yeah
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:03 PM
May 2019

I can't say that I'd want Mueller as my neighbor: I see your house is on fire, but I can't call the fire department without specific authorization.

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