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Freelancer

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Wed May 29, 2019, 03:24 PM May 2019

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Why so ugly and harsh? Claritie Pixie May 2019 #1
Mueller bent over backwards to muddle things up. triron May 2019 #3
Actually he broke protocol and procedure which holds that if a subject is not indicted, nothing more emmaverybo May 2019 #27
Because he could have and should have said more Fullduplexxx May 2019 #5
Like what - his opinion? Don't need that right now. Claritie Pixie May 2019 #6
perhaps he intends to MFM008 May 2019 #30
Mueller's here does NOT help ANYONE uponit7771 May 2019 #20
I would have liked to hear Mueller say that Ilsa May 2019 #2
He doesn't need to say it StarfishSaver May 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2019 #4
So you disagree with asking Americans to do their duty as citizens? Claritie Pixie May 2019 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2019 #11
Can't speak for her CatWoman May 2019 #34
No need to excuse him. Read what he said about the OLC. wasupaloopa May 2019 #12
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Like I aud, Mueller was an employee of the Justice eprtment and was subject to rules. wasupaloopa May 2019 #33
The only people who think he's an honest broker are those who already want Trump out StarfishSaver May 2019 #16
bs eShirl May 2019 #7
BS. "If I found the President not guilty of covering up, I would have written it in my report." marble falls May 2019 #9
Beat him at the ballot box? HopeAgain May 2019 #26
Why would you think that votings been fixed but a Republican Senate will vote to impeach? marble falls May 2019 #36
He had to wait until he left the Justice Dept. Not his call. wasupaloopa May 2019 #10
Wow ... that's ugly ... and so unnecessary struggle4progress May 2019 #13
I don't think there is much ambiguity in the "not not-guilty" fishwax May 2019 #14
Damn, people sure do turn ugly when they don't get exactly what they want. n/t cynatnite May 2019 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2019 #19
I won't blame Mueller for that... cynatnite May 2019 #21
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He told congress to do their job...that's the basic gist of it... cynatnite May 2019 #23
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ROFLMAO!!!! cynatnite May 2019 #25
They sure do, especially when they don't seem to understand what they did get. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #28
Mueller has his interests to protect as before. MarcA May 2019 #29
I find this very unfair to Mueller RelativelyJones May 2019 #31
Rather silly to think that Mueller could have changed RW and Fox viewer minds Kaleva May 2019 #32
good heavens!!! samnsara May 2019 #35

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
1. Why so ugly and harsh?
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:26 PM
May 2019

It's Congress's job to carry on from here, and up to us to force them to do it.

The report is a blueprint for them to nail the charlatan.

 

triron

(22,240 posts)
3. Mueller bent over backwards to muddle things up.
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:29 PM
May 2019

emmaverybo

(8,148 posts)
27. Actually he broke protocol and procedure which holds that if a subject is not indicted, nothing more
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:12 PM
May 2019

should be mentioned. Today, Mueller did state that 1) could not exonerate him 2) did not indict only in accordance with DOJ policy.

Fullduplexxx

(8,626 posts)
5. Because he could have and should have said more
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:30 PM
May 2019

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
6. Like what - his opinion? Don't need that right now.
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:39 PM
May 2019

If we're going to nail the charlatan's ass to the wall, has to be based on evidence and facts, needs to be airtight.

Mueller's work gives Congress the start.

His opinion or personal thoughts do not matter.

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
30. perhaps he intends to
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:14 PM
May 2019

in testimony. He might not WANT to testify
but we all KNOW its going to happen.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
20. Mueller's here does NOT help ANYONE
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:25 PM
May 2019
https://www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644237/robert-mueller-remarks-transcript

"And the report is my testimony. I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before congress"

Ilsa

(64,377 posts)
2. I would have liked to hear Mueller say that
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:29 PM
May 2019

Barr had misrepresented the report's conclusions. But he didn't want to say anything controversial, I guess.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
15. He doesn't need to say it
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:14 PM
May 2019

The report speaks for itself and everyone heard what Barr said about it.

Response to Freelancer (Original post)

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
8. So you disagree with asking Americans to do their duty as citizens?
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:44 PM
May 2019

Agree it's up to us and if people are too lazy to read, inform themselves (and others who can't read it) and then pressure congress, we can't blame Mueller.

There are no saviors who will do it for us.

Response to Claritie Pixie (Reply #8)

CatWoman

(80,290 posts)
34. Can't speak for her
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:49 PM
May 2019

but this thread is

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
12. No need to excuse him. Read what he said about the OLC.
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:00 PM
May 2019

You can disagree but you could not have done differently.

Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #12)

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
33. Like I aud, Mueller was an employee of the Justice eprtment and was subject to rules.
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:47 PM
May 2019

You won't accept that but I take Mueller's actions to be the right thing.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. The only people who think he's an honest broker are those who already want Trump out
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:16 PM
May 2019

People who still think Trump should remain in office think Mueller is a tool of the "deep state."

So hearing him say Trump instructed justice won't change much.

eShirl

(20,259 posts)
7. bs
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:42 PM
May 2019

marble falls

(71,936 posts)
9. BS. "If I found the President not guilty of covering up, I would have written it in my report."
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:54 PM
May 2019

He was the investigator not the court. Now its in the hands of state and district courts all over the US. More importantly now it is officially there in Congress's hands, too.

I think we need to beat Trump at the ballot box in November 2020, tying him up with proceedings will eat him alive. We will take the WH, we need to generate a huge turnout to maybe take a couple of Senate seats and any and all down ticket offices, down to dog catcher and constable we can.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
26. Beat him at the ballot box?
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:08 PM
May 2019

The fact that Mueller's parting warning is going to be ignored, it's very possible we won't have free and fair elections anymore.

marble falls

(71,936 posts)
36. Why would you think that votings been fixed but a Republican Senate will vote to impeach?
Wed May 29, 2019, 07:28 PM
May 2019
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
10. He had to wait until he left the Justice Dept. Not his call.
Wed May 29, 2019, 03:56 PM
May 2019

struggle4progress

(126,158 posts)
13. Wow ... that's ugly ... and so unnecessary
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:06 PM
May 2019

fishwax

(29,346 posts)
14. I don't think there is much ambiguity in the "not not-guilty"
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:10 PM
May 2019

It's either A (evidence suggests he committed the crime), B (evidence suggests he didn't commit the crime), or C (evidence is insufficient to really suggest either). Mueller has said that under no circumstances and no matter how compelling the evidence, he would not be able to say A, but that he can definitively rule out B and it is also not C.

It's not really all that difficult to connect those dots.

It's like the old "If you can't say anything nice about someone, then don't say anything at all" cliche. If you ask a person their opinion of someone else, and they answer with that phrase, then they have made a clear statement of their opinion of that person.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
17. Damn, people sure do turn ugly when they don't get exactly what they want. n/t
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:17 PM
May 2019

Response to cynatnite (Reply #17)

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
21. I won't blame Mueller for that...
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:28 PM
May 2019

He did his job. He said in his report that the next step is up to congress. He said that in his statement.

He's not the bad guy here. You just wanted him to be pissed, make melodramatic and hyperbolic statements. That didn't happen and now you're crying foul.

It's up to Pelosi and congress to do their jobs. That's whose feet we should hold the fire.

Response to cynatnite (Reply #21)

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
23. He told congress to do their job...that's the basic gist of it...
Wed May 29, 2019, 04:52 PM
May 2019

I guess nothing will satisfy you or others unless he walks into the oval office and slaps the cuffs on tRump, then frog march him down Pennsylvania Avenue. It's a nice image, but totally unrealistic.

Mueller isn't the one making the country languish.

It's the fucking repubs for being complicit and aiding tRump rather than working for the good of this country.

The Dems need to get busy and start impeachment proceedings.

Your assessment is misplaced.

Response to cynatnite (Reply #23)

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
25. ROFLMAO!!!!
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:03 PM
May 2019

You're hilarious if that's what you got out of his statement and his very damning report.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,538 posts)
28. They sure do, especially when they don't seem to understand what they did get.
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:12 PM
May 2019

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
29. Mueller has his interests to protect as before.
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:14 PM
May 2019

Could have been someone better or someone worse.

RelativelyJones

(898 posts)
31. I find this very unfair to Mueller
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:16 PM
May 2019

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
32. Rather silly to think that Mueller could have changed RW and Fox viewer minds
Wed May 29, 2019, 05:21 PM
May 2019

samnsara

(18,767 posts)
35. good heavens!!!
Wed May 29, 2019, 06:14 PM
May 2019
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