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CatWoman

(79,295 posts)
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:35 PM May 2019

So now Barr slithers out of his hidey hole

Barr says Mueller "could've reached a decision" on whether Trump obstructed justice

Tune in to "CBS This Morning" on Friday, May 31, for the full interview with Attorney General William Barr.



Attorney General William Barr said he believes special counsel Robert Mueller could have reached a decision on whether President Trump committed obstruction of justice, regardless of long-standing Justice Department policy that prohibits the indictment of a sitting president.

In his first network interview since being sworn in, Barr said the special counsel, who gave a rare public statement Wednesday reiterating some of the key findings in his more than 400-page report, could have concluded the president broke the law without actually charging him, or cleared him of wrongdoing.

"I personally felt he could've reached a decision," he told CBS News chief legal correspondent Jan Crawford during an exclusive interview in Anchorage, Alaska, on Thursday.

When he became aware that Mueller would not make a determination in his obstruction of justice probe — which investigated 11 instances in which Mr. Trump tried to derail the Russia investigation — Barr said he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein "felt it was necessary" for them to make decision on the issue.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/barr-says-mueller-couldve-reached-a-decision-on-whether-trump-obstructed-justice/ar-AAC9r2i?ocid=ientp

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So now Barr slithers out of his hidey hole (Original Post) CatWoman May 2019 OP
Me thinks Mr Mueller will not take too kindly to Mrs. Doubtfire's assertions. nt Ninga May 2019 #1
Just putting this here: demmiblue May 2019 #2
That was last week malaise May 2019 #11
I known (I posted about it). demmiblue May 2019 #13
Cool malaise May 2019 #14
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #17
Instead of AG Barr, the headline should have read, Trump's Personal Lawyer Barr nt tymorial May 2019 #33
"I personally felt . . ." gratuitous May 2019 #3
This is the only thing I agree with Barr on. Mueller could and should have stated a conclusion. SunSeeker May 2019 #4
According to everything I have read, angstlessk May 2019 #7
I've heard that too CatWoman May 2019 #10
Mueller had a duty, as Special Counsel, per 28 CFR 600.8 (c), to state his conclusion. SunSeeker May 2019 #24
Yup....heard that as well. a kennedy May 2019 #35
That would certainly apply to a regular prosecutor, but Mueller was a Special Counsel. SunSeeker May 2019 #22
Mueller clearly stated that malaise May 2019 #15
Not clear enough. It allowed Barr to step in and make the conclusion for him. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #25
Barr is a proven LIAR malaise May 2019 #31
I agree. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #39
What vacuum? lunatica May 2019 #26
No, it wasn't. And Mueller himself denies he made a conclusion. SunSeeker May 2019 #28
He said that if a clear crime were committed it would be in the report lunatica May 2019 #30
Right. Which makes no sense. SunSeeker May 2019 #37
Nope tymorial May 2019 #34
One of my favorite song lyrics of all time genxlib May 2019 #5
Barr deliberately misrepresented Mueller's report malaise May 2019 #6
traitorbarr empedocles May 2019 #8
Disbarr malaise May 2019 #9
When would be best time to disbar and impeach? empedocles May 2019 #12
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #19
barr is an enemy of the United States spanone May 2019 #16
+1,000 malaise May 2019 #32
these MFers spanone May 2019 #36
The unredacted Mueller's report needs to be exposed. Iliyah May 2019 #18
He leaves a slime trail just like Cruz Blue Owl May 2019 #20
I don't believe a word this guy says. Not. One. Word. spanone May 2019 #21
Oh, well if Mueller could have come right out and said that Trump should be indicted, why didn't you coti May 2019 #23
Yeah. Someone needs to ask him that question. nuxvomica May 2019 #27
Barr isn't really built for slithering. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #29
Oh fuck off, you corrupt walrus!! nt Guy Whitey Corngood May 2019 #38
Bill Barr: The "Cover-Up General" Kid Berwyn May 2019 #40
Trying to protect his man Trump Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2019 #41

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
2. Just putting this here:
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:44 PM
May 2019
Attorney General William Barr dining at the Trump hotel is a bad look

Attorney General William Barr was photographed dining at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC, on Wednesday night — a business his boss, President Donald Trump, still owns and profits from, and one that has become something of a de facto clubhouse for businesspeople and government officials looking to curry favor with the president.

Zach Everson, who reports on conflicts of interest stemming from the Trump International Hotel, tweeted that it was his “first time seeing Barr” at the hotel.

Trump was also at the hotel for an event hosted by America First Action, the Super PAC supporting his reelection. CNN’s Jeremy Diamond reported that the plan was for Trump to address “high-dollar donors” who have contributed to his reelection effort.

ABC’s Ali Dukakis snapped a photo of Barr dining at a restaurant in the hotel.




https://www.vox.com/2019/5/23/18637013/william-barr-trump-international-hotel-patronage

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
13. I known (I posted about it).
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:24 PM
May 2019

I just posted it here so people don't forget how far up Trump's arse he is.

malaise

(268,903 posts)
14. Cool
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:26 PM
May 2019

Waiting to see if Rosenstein intends to take the fall for Barr and the Con.

Cannibalism is coming

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. "I personally felt . . ."
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:58 PM
May 2019

That and five bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks, Billy boy. Did you, as Attorney General, give official authorization to the Office of Special Counsel, and tell the Special Counsel it wasn't bound by the 1973 DOJ opinion about indicting a sitting president?

Because if you didn't, your comment isn't worth the breath it took to say it.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
4. This is the only thing I agree with Barr on. Mueller could and should have stated a conclusion.
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:58 PM
May 2019

Mueller all but stated Trump committed obstruction. He should have just come out and explicitly said it, and not left Barr to fill the vacuum.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
7. According to everything I have read,
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:07 PM
May 2019

If you cannot indict, you cannot accuse of a crime, because said individual cannot have his/her day in court to face their accuser.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
24. Mueller had a duty, as Special Counsel, per 28 CFR 600.8 (c), to state his conclusion.
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:22 PM
May 2019

That is the whole point of appointing a special counsel.

a kennedy

(29,644 posts)
35. Yup....heard that as well.
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:54 PM
May 2019

Barr giving that “intro to a summary of the report” was just disastrous. Mueller had to come out with something......so his 9 minute “rebuttal” to Barr i’m sure made him feel like he did do his duty as the Special Council. HE SAID, READ HIS REPORT.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
22. That would certainly apply to a regular prosecutor, but Mueller was a Special Counsel.
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:18 PM
May 2019

He was required by law to submit a report detailing his findings, per 28 CFR 600.8 (c). Regular prosecutors don't have such an obligation.

Mueller chose not to state his conclusions on obstruction because it would be "unfair" to Trump, since he would have no "opportunity for public name-clearing." (See Mueller Report, Vol. II, page 2.) That is faulty reasoning. When it comes to the president, he certainly is able to "clear his name." He has the biggest megaphone in the world sitting in the White House. And he uses it on an hourly basis, disparaging Mueller and the investigation as a "witch hunt." Plus, he still has the presumption of innocence, and, if and when he gets criminally indicted, Trump would still have his day in court like anyone else. There was simply no ""fairness" basis for refusing to state a conclusion about whether Trump obstructed justice.

All the report's conclusions amount to is Mueller's opinion. He had a duty, as Special Counsel, to state that opinion in that report.

malaise

(268,903 posts)
15. Mueller clearly stated that
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:27 PM
May 2019

As set forth in our report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.

That's as clear as day - the Con is guilty of a crime

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
28. No, it wasn't. And Mueller himself denies he made a conclusion.
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:31 PM
May 2019

Kinda hard to argue Mueller made a conclusion when Mueller himself said he did not.

I agree that certainly the report lays out all the elements of obstruction, and it is obvious to everyone reading the report that Trump committed obstruction of justice. A lot.

But Mueller insisted he would not say that he thought Trump committed a crime, claiming it would be "unfair" to Trump. Which is ridiculous.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
30. He said that if a clear crime were committed it would be in the report
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:46 PM
May 2019

Then he said that Trump was not cleared to the point where Mueller could say he was innocent.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
37. Right. Which makes no sense.
Thu May 30, 2019, 07:00 PM
May 2019

If he can say Trump didn't commit a crime, why can't he say Trump did? Either way, he's just stating his opinion. Trump still has the presumption of innocence.

genxlib

(5,524 posts)
5. One of my favorite song lyrics of all time
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:59 PM
May 2019

Is from RUSH - Free Will

If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice


Methinks that Mueller made his choice pretty clear when he said he would have cleared him if he could have.

malaise

(268,903 posts)
6. Barr deliberately misrepresented Mueller's report
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:00 PM
May 2019

PERIOD. He and Rosenstein were wrong to make a decision on the issue and he did nothing to clean up his lies after Mueller sent two letters.

coti

(4,612 posts)
23. Oh, well if Mueller could have come right out and said that Trump should be indicted, why didn't you
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:20 PM
May 2019

tell him then?

nuxvomica

(12,420 posts)
27. Yeah. Someone needs to ask him that question.
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:27 PM
May 2019

I'm genuinely curious as to what his wild-ass excuse would be because I can't imagine one.

Kid Berwyn

(14,869 posts)
40. Bill Barr: The "Cover-Up General"
Thu May 30, 2019, 07:46 PM
May 2019
"At the center of the criticism is the chief artic­ulator of Bush's imperial presidency," we reported in 1992, "the man who wrote the legal rationale for the Gulf War, the Panama invasion, and the officially sanctioned kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad"

by FRANK SNEPP
The Village Voice, APRIL 18, 2019



The Village Voice, October 27, 1992

“Attorney General William Barr is the Best Reason to Vote for Clinton”

Excerpt....

SON OF THE CIA

It was 21 years ago, in 1971, that I first encountered William Barr. Both of us were working for the CIA at the time, he as a novice China analyst, I as a member of the agency’s Vietnam task force. Jovial and un­assuming, he took his cues easily from an overly politicized office chief. It was a to­ken of things to come.

Three years before, we had brushed shoulders unknowingly on Columbia Uni­versity’s roiling campus. Both of us were on the other side of the barricades as antiwar demonstrations there blasted our genera­tion into a decade of rage. Barr, a conserva­tive student spokesman, preached tough­ness to the university administration, of which his father, then dean of the engineer­ing faculty, was a leading light. Years later, this same damn-the-torpedoes zeal would commend Barr to his ultimate father figure, George Bush. When Cuban refugees penned up at an Alabama prison rioted and took hostages in the summer of 1991, depu­ty attorney general Barr ordered the place stormed. Soon afterward, Bush tapped him for the attorney general slot itself.

Barr first met Bush in the CIA. In 1976, having shifted to the agency’s legislative office, he helped write the pap sheets that director Bush used to fend off the Pike and Church committees, the first real embodiments of Congressional oversight of the CIA. Intimates say the experience was for­mative for Barr, turning him into an impla­cable enemy of congressional intrusions on executive prerogative.

“The most radical period I had probably was when I was sort of a moderate Republi­can,” he later acknowledged. Sure enough, Barr stayed safe within conservative clutch­es even after leaving the agency in 1977. Armed with a night-school law diploma, he asked for — and got — Bush’s backing for a clerkship appointment to Malcolm Wilkey of the Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. Years later, as attorney general, Barr would name Wilkey to investigate the House Banking scandal. Wilkey repayed the favor with a wrenchingly partisan in­quiry. Feeding the press overheated charges of wrongdoing, he scored points off the Democratic Congress just as the adminis­tration itself was being pilloried for its failed economics.

Source...

https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/04/18/attorney-general-william-barr-is-the-best-reason-to-vote-for-clinton/

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