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Will anyone sue Nepal for issuing so many permits to climb Mt. Everest (Original Post) question everything May 2019 OP
Kinda sounds HopeAgain May 2019 #1
They should sue their fellow travelers for malaise May 2019 #2
No. No cure for stoopid. LakeArenal May 2019 #3
If that stopped people than nobody would climb Everest. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #13
Let natural selection take its course. Xolodno May 2019 #4
There are a limited and unpredictable number of days meadowlander May 2019 #5
Raise the price of a permit. Require a refundable deposit for rescue, dead or alive. NCjack May 2019 #6
The permit already cost $11,000 fescuerescue May 2019 #12
$11,000 is high for you and me, but obviously that price is much too low. Start at $100K for the NCjack May 2019 #17
Rescue is generally not possible at that altitude Spider Jerusalem May 2019 #19
I think they should just build a ski lift to the top. leftyladyfrommo May 2019 #7
Death is an assumed risk for an Everest ascent. Codeine May 2019 #8
Sue Nepal where? MineralMan May 2019 #9
Oh, I dunnot. In our litigious society I am sure that someone is thinking about it question everything May 2019 #10
Well, I guess I "dunnot" either... MineralMan May 2019 #11
Nipple? You want to sue Nipple? ProudLib72 May 2019 #14
On what legal basis would you sue a sovereign State? brooklynite May 2019 #15
It is a matter of money for the country. keithbvadu2 May 2019 #16
The ultimate first world problem! GulfCoast66 May 2019 #18
Who gives AF... Perspective... people die on the streets of Kathmandu JCMach1 May 2019 #20
A fool and his/her money greytdemocrat May 2019 #21

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
1. Kinda sounds
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:49 PM
May 2019

like there's an assumption of risk element here. People with the financial wherewithal to buy the gear and plan the trip, but not the cognitive wherewithal to understand they aren't prepared to do it.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
2. They should sue their fellow travelers for
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:54 PM
May 2019

shoving and pushing to get selfies.
Additionally many of these recent climbers have no effin' experience.
Money and no sense don't mix well.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
4. Let natural selection take its course.
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:35 PM
May 2019

....particularly when it comes to the wealthy. Some think money = smart. Nature is proving them wrong.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
5. There are a limited and unpredictable number of days
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:41 PM
May 2019

When the weather will allow you to summit. The problem is when theres a long period jn between and groups pile up at the base camps. Theres no way for Nepal to police this. Its not like the cops have an Everest beat. Hence the need for peolle to exercise common sense or accept the consequences.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
6. Raise the price of a permit. Require a refundable deposit for rescue, dead or alive.
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:13 PM
May 2019

Increase every week until crowding is eliminated.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
12. The permit already cost $11,000
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:35 PM
May 2019

and the total cost of the climb is about $100k. ALl these climbers are very very wealthy.

I like your idea, but I suspect that if you make the cost much more expensive (say $100k), then only unprepared but extremely wealthy folks would climb. (younger fit and qualified, but not quite rich enough would be excluded)

All in all, I think these climbs need to be cut way way back.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
17. $11,000 is high for you and me, but obviously that price is much too low. Start at $100K for the
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:13 PM
May 2019

fee, and for each week that it does not thin the herd, double it. For a thrill that is better than sex and challenges one's very life, $1 million may be a bargain.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
19. Rescue is generally not possible at that altitude
Fri May 31, 2019, 12:22 AM
May 2019

too high and the air is too thin for helicopters to operate safely, for the most part (helicopters will land to evacuate people from a camp eleven thousand feet below the summit); rescue by other climbers is also very difficult since at that altitude the body is slowly dying even with supplemental oxygen--this is part of why other climbers don't/can't stop to help someone in distress; the most likely outcome is more than one death. It's also why people who die on Everest tend to stay there, on the spot they died or moved off to just one side of the path; it's too difficult/too much effort to get them down and carrying that much dead weight on top of supplemental oxygen and a climbing pack is just not feasible.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
8. Death is an assumed risk for an Everest ascent.
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:25 PM
May 2019

That’s part of the appeal for many who participate. Nobody has any reason to sue anyone — they’re dicing with Death, and sometimes they roll snake eyes.

The crowding when you have a compressed climbing window has been a known issue for a while, and all of the participants knew that was a possibility. At any time going up past the unrecovered dead while seeing the crowd ahead they could have changed their mind and headed down. Most didn’t, and some of them paid the price.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
18. The ultimate first world problem!
Fri May 31, 2019, 12:08 AM
May 2019

Nepal should totally open it up. No limits.

They are poor. If rich westerners and Asians want to pay them 100k to die on a mountain so be it.

Climbing Everest today is the ultimate expression of Narcissism.

I was troubled about it until I thought it through.

Everest won’t care. A million years from now what are a few corpses?

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
20. Who gives AF... Perspective... people die on the streets of Kathmandu
Fri May 31, 2019, 12:25 AM
May 2019

Every day.

The extreme poverty there is breath takingly awful.

This one poor little boy I gave money to was about 4 years old, but he must have already been living on the streets. He had the telltale dirt circle around his mouth and the dirty fingers of a.kid that was huffing glue already to kill the hunger.

Or ask the Dalit ladies at the gravel pit who for whatever small wages spend all day hammering big rocks to smaller ones and hauling a good distance to the collection place on their backs with baskets.

So yeah, these people knew the risks.and had pretty good lives before the climbed the mountain.

I am not a climber, but trekking the Annapurna range and Mustang valley was unforgettable. So, I understand why they want to go. But, even what I did came with risks that I accepted.

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