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Thu May 30, 2019, 04:48 PM

 

Why Trump is doomed.

Read this and you'll see why.

"This obscure law gives the House the right to see everything they want in Mueller investigation"


This is huge.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/this-obscure-law-gives-the-house-the-right-to-see-everything-they-want-in-mueller-investigation/?utm_source=push_notifications

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:41 PM

1. Good luck getting dems to use it

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #1)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:45 PM

2. you got that right

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 07:49 PM

3. From the article:Congress has the right to review all the evidence that went into the Mueller report

An obscure law from 1974 gives far more power to Congress than the attorney general or the White House seems to realize.

According to the Daily Beast, Congress has the right to review all the evidence that went into the Mueller report and question any and all witnesses named.


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But this is what Nadler and Schiff and Cummings and etc have been doing since the release of the report. They've requested the underlying data of the Mueller report, they've request pertinent folks come testify before Congress. And what have they gotten - stonewalled from the illegal occupant of the white house and AG Barr.

So darn frustrating

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #3)

Fri May 31, 2019, 09:50 AM

17. this is clearly obstruction

his crimes are many

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 08:02 PM

4. IF they are willing to push to get the material

frankly, I don't see Barr/Twittler turning over one single piece of requested information and there is no means of enforcement that Democratic leaders are willing to use.

Ultimately, I suspect that even if the SCOTUS rules that congress is entitled to the information, he'll defy the order and nothing will be done about it.

I'm feeling very down these days, since it seems the only thing the house is willing to move forward on is possibly a finger wag or a somewhat unflattering letter in his permanent record.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #4)

Thu May 30, 2019, 08:06 PM

6. It's not the house...

McConnell said that it's already over
If the dems impeach he will discard it and it will be over

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Response to lame54 (Reply #6)

Thu May 30, 2019, 08:08 PM

7. So, we should just drop it all

and do his bidding until the election hoping that his "friends from Russia" don't deliver it to him again.

He gets off without consequences.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #7)

Fri May 31, 2019, 09:23 AM

15. Of course not - but instead of piling on the dems...

The pressure needs to be put on the senate

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Response to lame54 (Reply #15)

Fri May 31, 2019, 09:54 AM

18. No pressure on Dems, just try to get Republicans

to act like humans.

Yeah, that will work.

They won't ever back away from their Dear Leader. He is their dream: an untouchable asshole who will do their bidding while creating chaos.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #18)

Fri May 31, 2019, 10:07 AM

19. I'm not explaining myself well...

Nor will i continue

I'm getting a brick wall vibe

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Response to Bettie (Reply #4)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:15 AM

12. Hey can you tell me the numbers for the next Lotto drawing in NY since you seem to know the future.

 

Thank you!!!

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #12)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:17 AM

14. Ask the people who know for 100% fact that

impeachment hearings are the one thing that will win 2020 for Orange Hitler. They know the future far better than I do, or so they say.

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 08:04 PM

5. Yawn

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:29 PM

8. I've been hearing "Trump is doomed" since autumn of 2015.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #8)

Fri May 31, 2019, 12:01 AM

9. Exactly.

This is why people laugh at us.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #8)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:12 AM

10. Maybe he is

 

and the only issue is timing.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #8)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:14 AM

11. No kidding.

 

So many have predicted his demise again and again here.

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:17 AM

13. I agree....RUMP is DOOMED period. Now if people could employ some more patience we can

 

get the most out of the inevitable impeachment hearings. Timing is everything.

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Response to Vidal (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 09:44 AM

16. There is no "obscure law". There are a couple of court cases that wouldn't necessarily be binding.

As is often the case, Raw Story gets more wrong than right.

There is no "law", obscure or otherwise, that gives the House the right to see everything they want in the Mueller investigation.

There are a couple of court decisions relating to the disclosure of grand jury testimony where impeachment is in play. It should be noted that these cases arguably could be distinguished on their facts by a judge who was so inclined. For example, in the Watergate decision, the court stated that "We think it of significance that the President of the United States, who is described by all parties as the focus of the report and who presumably would have the greatest interest in its disposition, has interposed no objection to the District Court's action [allowing the disclosure to Congress of a report prepared by the grand jury]." Also note that the grand jury in that instance prepared a report and asked the judge to transmit it to Congress -- something that hasn't happened with respect to the Mueller investigation.

There is an argument that under the US Code (not obscure and oft discussed here on DU and elsewhere) there are circumstances under which grand jury testimony can be disclosed "at a time, in a manner, and subject to any other conditions that it directs—of a grand-jury matter: (i) preliminarily to or in connection with a judicial proceeding." The argument would be that impeachment is a judicial proceeding and even before it is commenced, this exception would apply under the "preliminarily to" provision.

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Response to onenote (Reply #16)

Fri May 31, 2019, 06:12 PM

20. Thanks for the clafifying insights - good info.

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