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For those who appreciate logic . . . Logic 101 (Original Post) pdsimdars May 2019 OP
The art of the double negative Cyrano May 2019 #1
ding ding ding! Locrian May 2019 #6
Yep. He brought a plastic butter knife to an artillery duel Cyrano May 2019 #7
Great comment. Farmer-Rick May 2019 #11
thanks - everything has changed and some don't get it yet Locrian May 2019 #12
Modus tollens at work. coti May 2019 #2
K & r. Tipperary May 2019 #3
Things are difficult to understand in an Alternative Logic Universe. democratisphere May 2019 #4
Had to send this to cyber-space. Historic NY May 2019 #5
K&R Jeffersons Ghost May 2019 #8
He didn't commit "A" crime. gibraltar72 May 2019 #9
Shred on Facebook. Nitram May 2019 #10

Cyrano

(15,031 posts)
1. The art of the double negative
Fri May 31, 2019, 07:52 AM
May 2019

Mueller just doesn't understand that most people don't read anymore.

Couldn't he said something as simple as: "The president committed crimes. Now it's up to the House to do something about it."

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
6. ding ding ding!
Fri May 31, 2019, 09:24 AM
May 2019

The way he "carefully worded the conclusion" drives me insane.
It's classic Mueller playing by Queesnburry rules in a streetfight.


Mueller is carefully maintain decorum and his reputation by trying to play a game of 3D chess while trump and the gop are coming after democracy with a chains and a blowtorch.



Locrian

(4,522 posts)
12. thanks - everything has changed and some don't get it yet
Fri May 31, 2019, 10:56 AM
May 2019

thanks

I posted this before - about "change" when we need to "slow down" etc and maintain decorum, etc.
I think Mueller is that "old guard" and they don't get that their power and ability to affect the world is diminished and the battlefield has changed.





The nature of information, perception, and "trusted institutions" have been irrevocably changed: in a blindingly fast and thorough way.

Name one "institution" that is as trusted and looked upon as stable as it was in the past. 30 years ago? 10? 5?
* Medical, pharmaceutical industry, health care crisis - what's the first thing you do after you visit the doctor (and before): google medical info.
* Education - for profit college, decline of primary education (due to funding etc), college admissions scandals, cheating, for profit college.
* Sports - Kapernick(sp), abuse, concussions, cheating, doping.
* Religion - massive fleeing of organized religion due to education, facts on line, etc. Not to mention the revelation of horrendous abuses of power.
* Politics - cheating, criminal offences, look forward not backward, war for oil, corporate lobbing, no representation.

I could go on and on... They're all been challenged (some for good reason, some for not) by the nature of new media / internet whatever you want to call it. To be sure, it started in the 70s/80s with alternative media challenging the status quo, but it took the internet, with its ability to collect information historically (infinite memory) and immediately retrieve it. Yes that means good and bad information.

The discourse is not one way anymore. The "back and forth" of social media etc is the new norm and that does not play by the same rules of control that the one way communication of old did. That gives rise to all sorts of good things (DU) as well as bad QAnon, 4CHan, Infowars, etc

My belabored point is that it's a whole new ballgame. It's historical and moving faster than any time in history. People of all walks of life *do not trust* or abide by the categories of old. We can call that a problem of not understanding the "system" but that misses the point of the "system" not being in control of what's happening anymore.

So send the letters. Do all the correct legal stuff. But understand that the battle is (as it always has been) in the public discourse and that it's a whole new way of waging war to win hearts and minds.

And *that* is where we need to learn how to win.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
4. Things are difficult to understand in an Alternative Logic Universe.
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:04 AM
May 2019

If a sitting President commits many crimes before and while in office, the sitting President can not be indicted for those crimes. The sitting President is above the law. WTF Logic prevails.

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