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Most of the librarians that I know in my community are trusted servants and certainly looked up to as a pillar in our community. I think of Mueller in the same way. Mueller has never taken anything for himself. I am certain that his family background (in a similar fashion to ours) is part of his party affiliation. I have been a business owner for 50 years and have seen people similar to him. Their ethics are exemplary. Before this is over you will find a very clear and concise body of evidence that will convict any of the people involved in a crime. His track record shows that, especially in the PanAm 103 tragedy.
He is above the fanfare of politics and the news cycle. My guess is that all of the hoopla sickens him. One of the victims from PanAm 103 was from my community and my admiration for Mueller began there.
And outside my local library is a memorial to the young woman that died in PanAm103 in Lockerbie.
If you have a grudge against Mueller, from anything prior to the Trump investigation, I would like to know about it.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)and answering all the hard questions like "did Barr shut down your investigation?"
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)my post asks if there--- is anything in Mueller's history that would indicate shirking of responsibility. I know a lot of people were lionizing him currently. But a man's history usually is a good indicator of his current demeanor. Do you know of anything in Mueller's past that would be considered a compromise?
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)That doesn't mean he has to like it.
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)I think Mueller would relish the opportunity to testify to the House committees ------he is a patriot and people like Trump sicken him --he has no regard for someone that uses a phony "heel spurs" excuse to avoid Vietnam ----Mueller---"One of the reasons I went into the Marine Corps was because we lost a very good friend, a Marine in Vietnam, who was a year ahead of me at Princeton. There were a number of us who felt we should follow his example and at least go into the service. And it flows from there."[21] Hackett was a Marine Corps first lieutenant in the infantry and was killed in 1967 in Quảng Trị Province by small arms fire.[22]-----
And watching Trump's continual disrespect for POW McCain has got to make his blood boil.
Mueller has bucked Bush and Cheney -and many other Republicans --see the Wiki ---https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)subpoena so he is seen as non-partisan and not tooting his own horn. His words will be that much more effective if he is viewed (correctly) as having been reluctant to come forward.
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)for a WP article that will appear in a few weeks-----Mueller resigning is part of the tactic---I like your think on this -----I do think the guy is camera shy---no kidding ----but he is so angry with Trump and the GOP that an on camera hearing could occur
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I think Mueller wimped out in his report and Wednesday announcement.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Always Randy
(1,060 posts)my post asks if there--- is anything in Mueller's history that would indicate shirking of responsibility. I know a lot of people were lionizing him currently. But a man's history usually is a good indicator of his current demeanor. Do you know of anything in Mueller's past that would be considered a compromise?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Some people cite Mueller's Vietnam service as indicting how dependable he is. Personally, I consider John Kerry's coming home from Vietnam and speaking out about the atrocities a lot more laudable the Mueller.
Even if we want to accept Mueller's history, he wasn't the man for the trump investigation and his wishy-washy report will make it much more difficult to remove trump from office. Maybe he was just too old to put the effort into this important moment in history (that's from someone very close to his age).
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)The law said that he was to turn over his report to the AG and it was completely up to the AG what got turned over to Congress. Barr could have written his own summary and that could have been it.
So Mueller wrote something that he thought could get past Barr and into the hands of Congress. Now it's the Houses's job to start impeachment proceedings.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)he's more of a wimp.
I agree the House has to take it, that was clear the moment the report was released. In fact, anyone who actually read Barr's 3/24/2019 summary would have come to the same conclusion because Barr pretty much quoted the wishy-washy language in Mueller's report.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Mueller might have wanted not to burn any bridges with the DOJ and with Barr, in order to continue to have some influence, even if only informal, with those investigations.
And maybe he had more faith in the judgment of the House than he should have. Everybody in Congress needs to read the damn report.
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)A wounded Vietnam Marine Captain -----and quite rare at the same time ----an ARMY RANGER --he is in their Hall of Fame ----rare for a Marine----- Of these, he said later that he considered Ranger School the most valuable because he felt "more than anything teaches you about how you react with no sleep and nothing to eat."
All of the military bravery and heroics are important ---but the one that keeps him out of the wimp category is his prosecution of Mafia boss John Gotti----surely Hoyt that is what some would call----"street cred"
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)I like your read on this -----his cunning will get the report to the right people--------and I am hoping that an insider pops the unredacted version to NYT and WP-----
and I am with you on the role the House must play in this----an impeachment process should begin right away--------and then DRAAAAGG---------it through the next year with no submission to the GOP Senate where it will be DOA-----lots of hearings -----and key witnesses ----especially from key states that are in play
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)and I like your avatar --good one----my question still begs----is there something in Mueller's history----I have not been able to find anything that he has compromised ----so I think he has set a bundle of land mines in his report ----that will blow up at the right time------thank you again Hoyt for responding
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)If he had bluntly said, there was so much lying, obstruction, bullying, and worse going on that we couldnt find evidence of a conspiracy, but by-golly its clear there was one. And, he should have subpoenaed the kids and done more than going after Manafort and Cohen for matters largely unrelated to the election, like taxes long before the election.
Mueller should also have looked a finances, emoluments, Putins hold on trump. If Mueller was constrained from doing that, he should have said so.
But, it didnt happen that way. Well muddle through, and come out better eventually. Take care, Randy.
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)directly referred by Mueller------the head of SDNY was a Trump appointee who quickly recused himself------the raid on Cohen's office was on Monday, April 9, 2018-----based on a referral from Mueller-=----and I think he did this with "cause" because the previous Friday on Air Force One Trump lied about the Stormy Daniels payment and said ---ask my lawyer------bells and whistles for Mueller to order the raid for early Mondy--------that same referral caught the attention of the NYAG--now, Letitia James ------who will be making more headlines soon ----thank you again Hoyt ---we probably both were up for the morning paper waiting for Nixon to resign ----
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)Always Randy
(1,060 posts)my post asks if there--- is anything in Mueller's history that would indicate shirking of responsibility. I know a lot of people were lionizing him currently. But a man's history usually is a good indicator of his current demeanor. Do you know of anything in Mueller's past that would be considered a compromise?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)He was a stand-up guy who went above and beyond to use his authority to try to ensure that justice was done
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)In my business career, I worked with attorneys that were very similar to Mueller----a lot of them Ivy grads--not necessarily a guarantee ----but they were above the demeaning part of business----and their advice always took into account the long view -----they had an SOP and a moral framework to which they adhered ----locally my friend's family lost a daughter to PanAm 103 and that is where my admiration of Mueller began.
On Trump----my work in real estate in the NY metro never found anyone to praise Trump----he was regarded as low life and not worthy of consideration as a partner ---
question everything
(47,537 posts)Not to compare but if you have another honorable, admired member of the community who all of a sudden murders someone, or molests a kid, would you ignore this because of his past?
"A sitting president cannot be indicted" is not a law. it is a policy written by DOJ member during the Nixon administration. And if he were going to follow this guideline, he should have announced it at the beginning.
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)the jury is still out ---as far as I am concerned ---if he has abandoned any responsibility --------the Mueller Report is 448 pages ---most people--me included, have not read it---Mueller himself says that he wished people would read the report before commenting -----my own belief is that Mueller has filed a road map -----as he always has -----to indictment-----remember that Trump's campaign manager is in jail -----and Mueller has made some great raids on others -----Cohen----and Roger Stone----the Cohen referral to SDNY has triggered an NYAG investigation-----remember that Mueller can only investigate ---not prosecute----I have faith that there are land mines in that report------that will come out from someone like Rachel Maddow----and others -----and also anyone that reads the report----it is far from over -----and maybe you will gain some faith in Mueller in the future-----thank you again for commenting and keep ---questioning everything---I like that
Hekate
(90,829 posts)Like a librarian (your analogy), Mueller believes in the power the printed word. Like a PhD, he believes in meticulous research thoughtfully distilled into the printed word.
Like both, he believes in readers -- people who will read the printed word. He values you, the supposed reader.
Sadly, we now exist in a post-literate world. Suddenly I feel sickened, with tears in my eyes, as I realize just how true that is.
Robert Mueller, man of honor and accomplishment, wandered into a post-literate Twitterverse, a culture and time that will not read, that does not value anything not presented as clever twists and insults.
The fault, my friends, lies not in Mueller, but in ourselves.
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)with the way that the news cycle runs, it is hard for even the best (think Rachel Maddow) to keep up-----but so many people just want to hear the headline----hang in there my granddaughter is in Journalism school and will soon contribute in a meaningful way
rampartc
(5,438 posts)the obvious case of right wing terrorism has never been solved.
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2011/06/15/revisiting_mueller_and_the_anthrax_case/
the fbi has always had a blind eye for rw terrorists.
Always Randy
(1,060 posts)that it shows a deliberate flaw in Mueller----he was following what info that was available---but I agree that a lot of FBI special agents turn a blind eye to some of the right wings because of their own beliefs----might go with the law enforcement territory-----
melman
(7,681 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,695 posts)It is stark in contrast to every other Republican in government not doing their jobs.
But all he did was the job he was paid to do. No more, no less.