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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
1. Mexico is a hostile foreign power. But Russia isn't.
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jun 2019

What the actual fuck....? Oh, wait, it's just Tucker Carlson, the guy with the Backpfeifengesicht.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
12. Oh, it's the farthest thing from the actual fuck...
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 07:56 PM
Jun 2019

This is high fucking fantasy -- very, very high, apparently on the dust from fucking axe-grinding -- and so far into fucking fantasy-land that there's got to be a fucking dragon somewhere the fuck around here.

sop

(10,190 posts)
8. Come on, let's be honest here
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jun 2019

If FOX News paid me $6 million a year, and some conservative publisher paid me $10 million for a stupid book, I'd say and write whatever crazy or racist shit they wanted. I suspect most people would as well.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
13. Hmmm...if they paid you six thousand a year, and ten grand for the book...would you do it then?
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:15 PM
Jun 2019

...or is this haggling over the price...?

sop

(10,190 posts)
15. No, I make more than $16K at my present job
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 09:11 PM
Jun 2019

For $16M I'd be tempted to take the job, but I don't think Rupert Murdoch would offer me that kind of money to sell my soul. I don't doubt all of you have a great deal of personal and professional integrity, but most people would gladly accept an unsavory job for $16M a year. That's how it is in the real world.

Like all the other extremely well-paid talking heads at FOX News, Carlson obviously does it for the money. I remember when Tucker was an establishment conservative on CNN's Crossfire, politely debating Paul Begala and James Carville. Now he's a virulent racist and a nazi, the hero of white supremacists everywhere. Jeez, I remember when Geraldo was a legitimate reporter on ABC, and O'Reilly was the pleasant host of Inside Edition. Then FOX News offered them millions.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
16. Don't hate the player? We all just hate that bowtied nazi coz we wanna be him?
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 07:55 AM
Jun 2019

Another 'old timer' post-er who dusted off a years old account and posted 309 out of 372 posts total, in the last 90 days. Way to not address the issue, sop, about how fucker karlson lurves putin and russia, but says Mexico is a threatening foreign adversary.

The site could use a super mirt, for situations like this. Fully aware that I deserve a hide here, for interfering with forum moderation, etc.

Sorry.

Sincerely,
Mc Mike

sop

(10,190 posts)
19. Another perfect example of group think and strict adherance to the prevailing orthodoxy
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 12:12 PM
Jun 2019

Last edited Sun Jun 2, 2019, 08:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Your're all missing the point, yet again underscoring the need to be as explicit as possible in everything one writes around here, lest one run the risk of being misunderstood. Apparently, the least bit of irony and sarcasm must always be accompanied by multiple cute animated symbols to avoid confusing and offending others. That, and posting tens of thousands of comments over the years to bolster one's "cred." Tell me, is there some sort of secret handshake, too, Mike?

This has nothing to do with Tucker Carlson, his despicable comments or whether I (or any of you) would sell my soul for a huge amount of money to do the same. It's about pointing out that Hannity, Ingraham, Doocy, Geraldo, Carlson and all the rest of that crew on FOX News are nothing more than well-paid actors, trained seals barking on command, playing their parts in Rupert Murdoch's elaborately staged Kabuki play of good versus evil. Toss them a fish or two, or $6 million, and they'll eagerly clap for whatever the talking point of the day might be.

These talking heads are merely interchangeable cogs in Murdoch's propaganda and misinformation machine. Their job is simply to distract and divide, create fear and hatred, cause outrage and constantly upset the tender sensibilities of liberals and progressives. And they're really, really good at it, judging from the pavlovian responses elicited on most progressive social media sites.

Jon Stewart, then hosting the Daily Show, famously had a heated confrontation with Tucker Carlson and Paul Begala on their now-defunct CNN show, "Crossfire," back in 2004. Stewart referred to the hosts as "partisan hacks," blaming the show for being "divisive" and reducing arguments to "two-sided political theater."

"Here's what I wanted to tell you guys: Stop. Stop hurting America," Stewart said. Carlson reponded, saying he thought Stewart was a good comedian, but his lectures were "boring." Stewart then mocked Carlson for wearing a bow tie, later calling him a "dick," saying he wouldn't be Tucker's "monkey" after Carlson begged Stewart to "please, just be funny."

"You're doing theater when you should be doing debate," Stewart responded. "What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery." When Carlson mocked The Daily Show, Stewart noted that he "only did comedy," adding "You're on CNN. The show leading into me is puppets making crank phone calls. What is wrong with you?"

Crossfire was canceled soon after Stewart's appearance. Many believed this exchange caused Carlson to leave CNN in humiliation. Paul Begala wrote about the heated confrontation in an op-ed on CNN titled, "The day Jon Stewart blew up my show." (You can watch the whole thing on the intertubes if you want.)

That's my only point. Reacting to Tucker Carlson's racist, nazi, white nationalist schtick is a complete waste of time. You cannot change the media landscape, and taking this shit seriously is a fool's errand. If you must do something useful, write dozens of letters to Tucker's FOX News advertisers, letting them know you won't buy their products so long as they continue to support Tucker's antics. That's how O'Reilly got fired, when he cost Rupert Murdoch too much money.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
20. There's no prevailing orthodoxy here, sop. You've been here for 10+ years, so
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 06:37 PM
Jun 2019

Last edited Sat Jun 22, 2019, 07:06 AM - Edit history (1)

you should know that. You should know the secret handshake by now, too.

Posting 10 s of thousands of comments here, over the years, just shows other post-ers more clearly where one is coming from, as a Dem. The content is the issue, not the numbers. Has nothing to do with 'cred'. If you don't like the smilies box function, don't use it. It doesn't affect me, either way.

Odd that you feel the need to spend your time and effort with a detailed critique of this site, while talking about how a critque is useless when dealing with that nazi carlson.

I already know about the Stewart exchange with Carlson and Begala. I read his book with the transcript. That's 4 wasted paras you typed, way more problematic than if you'd posted a rofl. Very murkily 'proving' some point you have. Plenty of people on this site are and have been involved in shutting off the revenue flow to Limpball, beck, o'liely, carlson, ingraham, and Fox.

You feel that carlson is just a well paid actor, and doesn't really believe his nazi schtick. That's one viewpoint. It's possible that he's a well-paid actor who does believe his nazi shit, too. There were plenty of true believers, plenty of opportunists, and plenty of opportunistic true believers in the reich.

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