Breaking: 6 countries involved in election interference

[Generic Other]

Link to tweet

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[Iliyah]

1. Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few more . . .

[DemocracyMouse]

74. The Six Devils. Repeat. Keep repeating.

We must get ahead of the framing. Remember, the Nazis were once normalized due to unrelenting framing by Goebbels. The SIX DEVILS must be stripped of their oily glamour immediately. And repeatedly.

[DemocracyMouse]

75. .... and if there are more, no problem: The SEVEN devils, etc.

[Dennis Donovan]

2. This could explain that exchange between Putin and MBE

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/11/30/watch-putin-and-mohammed-bin-salmans-exuberant-handshake-at-g-20.html

[GoCubsGo]

3. The only one that surprises me at all is Egypt.

The rest, not so much.

[moondust]

17. Sisi would prefer strongman Trump

to a more egalitarian Democrat. Remember that Obama made a big speech in Cairo in 2009 and 18 months later came the Arab Spring that got rid of Egyptian military dictator Mubarak. Obama later declined to invite Sisi to the WH but Dump welcomed him warmly.

Barack Obama, the Arab spring and a series of unforeseen events

[GoCubsGo]

27. Thanks, it makes sense in light of that.

[blue neen]

4. It's even worse than we thought.

Holy cow!

[Recursion]

5. That's the only way the bizarre Qatar stories from last year make sense

They weren't playing along

[erronis]

25. That appears to be what was happening. I wonder why Qatar risked its neck -

friend of Iran?

[TeamPooka]

38. Qatar knew this was an evil plan

[Tanuki]

6. .......

[dalton99a]

7. Dimitri Simes was named Rand Paul's Russian Connection in 2014

https://freebeacon.com/politics/rand-pauls-russian-connection/

Rand Paul’s Russian Connection
Paul names controversial Kremlin expert foreign policy adviser
BY: Alana Goodman Follow @alanagoodman
August 20, 2014 9:59 am


Dimitri K. Simes (born Dmitry Kostantinovich Simis, Russian: Дмитрий Константинович Симис )

Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) has named as one of his key foreign policy advisers a controversial Russia policy expert with deep ties to the Kremlin.

Dimitri Simes, the president of the Center for the National Interest, and Ambassador Richard Burt, a member of the Center’s board of directors, are recent additions to Paul’s foreign policy advisory team, the senator told National Journal earlier this year.

For years, Simes and the center have provided a sympathetic platform for the Russian government in the heart of the D.C. policy establishment. Its ties to Moscow extend throughout the organization.

The advisory council of the National Interest, the center’s chief publication, includes Alexey Pushkov, a Russian Duma official recently targeted for sanctions by the U.S. government in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Pushkov has come under fire for claiming that the Bush administration orchestrated the September 11 attacks and for blaming the 2013 Navy Yard shooting on "American exceptionalism."

A former aide to Richard Nixon, Simes is publisher of the National Interest, a hotbed of "realist" foreign policy thinking that boasts Henry Kissinger as its honorary chairman.

Simes’ views and connections are widely known in Russia policy circles. Last September, days after Vladimir Putin published a column in the New York Times denouncing American exceptionalism, Simes joined the Russian president on stage at the Valdai International Discussion Club forum in Russia for a televised panel discussion.

Flanked by three other panelists—Germany’s former defense minister and France and Italy’s former prime ministers—Simes seemed out of place at the high-ranking, Kremlin-sponsored forum.

"No one directly addresses Putin at Dimitri Simes’ level," noted one Washington-based Russia policy expert. "It just doesn’t happen."

....

[calimary]

16. So now we can rightly refer to Rand Paul as a Russian Sympathizer.

Rand Russian Sympathizer Paul.

[dalton99a]

24. He's Putin's little errand boy

[DBoon]

51. Wasn't his visit on July 4th?

What a patriotic american

[calimary]

116. Well, didn't trump just spend Memorial Day in Japan?

[suegeo]

45. Maria Butina (spy) wrote an article for a CNI publication in 2015

Titled something like "the elephant & the bear"

The Russian spy, Butina, is still in the hoosgow.

[Baitball Blogger]

8. Shit.

Trump is a globalist!

[Scurrilous]

9. So Trump is throwing in with the Sunnis.

[paleotn]

82. More ready cash than the Shia.

[donkeypoofed]

10. Holy crap. I had a feeling it was a larger plot. Geez.

[Auggie]

11. K&R

[Stuart G]

12. K and R

[SallyHemmings]

13. This explains the Traitor's behavior

He was right, it wasn’t just Russia. It WAS others...

[trev]

14. Yet, according to Schiff, there's no cause to impeach.

:shakes head:

[triron]

33. Huh? Schiff said that?!

[trev]

41. Oh, I misread the report. Sorry.

What he actually said was that impeachment was pretty much useless because the Senate won't convict.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-unlikely-schiff-cult-personality-1441529

[triron]

87. That's beside the point. Why is Schiff even going there?? Do your damn constitutional duty!

[trev]

89. Exactly. Which is why his words angered me.

If the leadership feels we could use a stronger case, fine. But don't set aside impeachment altogether.

[obamanut2012]

43. No, he absolutely DID NOT

Edit this message.

[trev]

52. Actually, I tried to post a recantation, but it didn't go through.

What Schiff actually said was that impeachment was basically useless because the Senate won't convict. Same thing we hear from lots of Democrats.

I still find his remarks disappointing.

[Bev54]

47. Schiff is waiting for this to come out

Schiff is with Pelosi on this waiting for this information to come out. I have always believed the counter intelligent investigation is where the real meat of this scandal is and it seems it is bigger than i could have imagined. This needs to come out now. Why is the North American media so reluctant to bring this out in the open.

[trev]

55. For what to come out?

Do you have a link to something?

[Bev54]

65. Did you read the twitter feed????

[trev]

91. I honestly don't see a Twitter feed....

That's why I asked.

[Cha]

117. Try this.. it's the twitter feed unrolled..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212154370#post15

[trev]

123. Wow, how did I miss *that*?

This is pretty wild--although not really all that surprising. The Republicans have been wanting to remake the Middle East since PNAC. It was the true impetus behind the Iraq War. So of course Bolton's grimy hands are all over it.

Thanks for this.

[Cha]

129. Because it was posted after yours..

and I knew you might not have seen it.

[trev]

130. Ah. :)

[triron]

88. Because they believe the public is not ready? They are complicit too then.

[nocoincidences]

15. Unrolling the thread

so non-Twitter readers can participate:


1/ POST-MUELLER INVESTIGATION #1, per the NYT: "Investigators are still examining the campaign contacts of an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation who has worked for Prince Mohammed [bin Zayed of the UAE]."

(NB: I'll list the three investigations, then explain them.)
2/ POST-MUELLER INVESTIGATION #2, per the NYT: "Investigators are still examining...a Lebanese-American businessman [George Nader] who acted as [a pre-election] emissary [for Mohammed bin Zayed of the UAE, also known as "MBZ"].
3/ POST-MUELLER INVESTIGATION #3, per the NYT: "Prosecutors are investigating whether another top Republican donor whose security company worked for the prince [Elliot Broidy, named RNC deputy finance chair post-election by Trump] should legally have registered as [MBZ's] agent."
4/ (The NEW YORK TIMES has also implied that a *fourth* investigation is ongoing—but because the reference to it mentions the "special counsel," I've held off on saying that the TIMES is "officially" reporting it as ongoing. In the next tweet I'll summarize its contours, though.)
5/ POST-MUELLER INVESTIGATION #4, per the NYT (see prior tweet for note): "[Prosecutors] also questioned Rashid al-Malik, an Emirati real-estate developer close to MBZ and...the head of Emirati intelligence. Mr. al-Malik is also close to Mr. Trump’s friend Tom Barrack... (cont.)
6/ ...and investigators are asking whether al-Malik was part of an illegal [UAE] influence scheme, according to two people familiar with the matter." From PROOF OF CONSPIRACY research, I know the key al-Malik intel involves pre-election contact with Barrack—and possibly Manafort.
7/ Those who read this feed know that I've long been saying—and saying, too, that those most fully "in the know" are saying—that the pre-election crimes most likely to implicate Trump and his family involve bribery and aiding and abetting, and *not just Russia* but other nations.
8/ The Mueller Report is a must-read for every American, despite being long and complex. Once you've read it—and this is the hard part—you have to understand that, for all the terrible stuff you just read, it's only a narrow window on a much larger story still being investigated.
9/ The MIDDLE EAST EYE is a London-based British media outlet run by a longtime editor at THE GUARDIAN—one of the most respected media outlets in the United Kingdom. 15 months ago it broke harrowing news of a multinational conspiracy to elect Donald Trump.
EXCLUSIVE: The secret yacht summit that realigned the Middle East | Middle East Eye
Arab leaders from UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Jordan plotted to counter Turkey and Iran, and replace the GCC and Arab League
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-secret-yacht-summit-realigned-middle-east
10/ Beginning then—in March 2018—journalists around the world began investigating this conspiracy. I know not just because I've written a book about the "Red Sea Conspiracy," but because major-media journalists from all over have contacted me to say they're working on this, too.
11/ There are 3 reasons you've heard little about this:

1) The best reporting on it is in foreign media.
2) Our media consistently "buries the lede" in reporting on the story—as it considers America not ready for it.
3) The story is so complex it's taken over a year to research.
12/ I'll now tell you the basic facts of the story that has emerged:

1) Six nations hatched a plot to elect Trump. The plot was hatched in 2015; the nations involved were Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt. The leaders of these countries were all involved.
13/

2) Three of these six nations—Russia, Israel, the UAE—had infiltrated deep into the Trump campaign by March 2016: Russia through Dimitri Simes; the UAE through Yousef al-Otaiba; Israel through Kushner, Groner, and Birnbaum. The campaign understood the plan these nations had.
14/

3) The plan was simple: historic detentes between the US and Russia and the Sunni Arab Gulf states and Israel; the US drops all sanctions on Russia and Russia agrees to withdraw support for Iran, thus clearing a path for a new Arab-Israeli alliance to remake the Middle East.
15/

4) The Trump campaign became aware of the plan via *many* interlocutors: Kushner; Flynn; Nader; Manafort; al-Otaiba; Simes; Birnbaum; Barrack; others. The plan was seen as a "grand bargain" and sometimes called that—other times it was called "the Middle East Marshall Plan."
16/

5) Russia began operations in what would become the plot (through the GRU and IRA) in 2014, at a time it was in a *massive* new joint investment program with the UAE and there were regular high-level Moscow/Abu Dhabi contacts. The UAE and Russia knew Trump would run by 2013.
17/

6) By March 2016, Russia had become the first nation with a "man in"—Dimitri Simes. (Though you could argue Kushner saw himself as an unofficial agent of Israel prior to that). By April 2016, Israel had a "man in"—via Birnbaum. By May 2017, UAE had a "man in"—with al-Otaiba.
18/

7) Saudi Arabia (whose leader, MBS, is a mentee of the UAE's MBZ); Egypt (whose leader, el-Sisi, is in power because of the UAE's MBZ); and Bahrain (whose leader is basically along for the ride), did not *need* their own agents, as they effectively were using the Emiratis'.
18/

7) The conspirators spent March through July trying to get access directly to the Trumps, though Jared Kushner was conspiring with Simes, al-Otaiba, and Netanyahu's office by late spring. On August 3, 2016, agents of Israel, Russia, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia got to Trump Jr.
19/

8) At that August 3 Trump Tower meeting, both the family and campaign were represented: the family via Don Jr., the campaign via Trump's chief domestic policy adviser, Stephen Miller.

Four nations offered the Trump campaign illegal pre-election assistance; Don Jr. said yes.
20/ I've given you the most basic contours. The full story (at least as I've written it) takes 500 pages and 3,500+ endnotes. It can't be relayed on Twitter. But it is fully sourced, and sourced with the top media outlets in the world (particularly in the US, the UK, and Israel).
PS/ Many may wonder, "What's the connection between the Mueller Report and this?" The answer: Mueller's report is a prequel, following 2 of 7 characters—the US and Russia—in what was, in the event, a full five-act play. It's the TALES OF BEEDLE THE BARD to Rowling's HARRY POTTER.

INVESTIGATION #1: Israeli intel expert Joel Zamel offering illegal pre-election aid to Trump's campaign.
INVESTIGATION #2: UAE/Saudi agent George Nader repeatedly meeting the Trump team secretly in last 90 days of campaign.
INVESTIGATION #3: UAE agent Broidy bribing Trump.

PS2/ I'm *not* one of those who thinks Pelosi is "waiting" for all this to come out—I tend *not* to ascribe much long-range strategic thinking to most politicians. But I'll say that the case for impeachment will be *much* stronger once this evidence is fully in the public record.

[dalton99a]

18. +1

[Scurrilous]

23. ...

[SWBTATTReg]

26. Thanks for summary/write up. NT

[Chin music]

31. Welcome to DU!!

Fascinating and deeply troubling. America is getting carved up.

[KT2000]

46. thank you!

[suegeo]

53. Eli Groner for 13) 2

Groner appears to be Eli Groner? I don't know much about him. He appears to be a today for Netanyahu

[spanone]

69. ILLEGITIMATE 'PRESIDENT'

[MarcA]

72. Also Illegitimate VP and 2 Illegitimate USSC appointments. n/t

[calimary]

80. Bookmarked for this post!

[Generic Other]

104. Thanks for doing this

I was rushed this morning but wanted to make sure people got the info.

[nocoincidences]

108. It really ticks me off

when somebody posts something behind a firewall and I really want to read more than they have copied.

I know we are not supposed to do more than 3 paragraphs, but tweets are kind of different, so I figure I can share those and hope nobody comes down on me for it.

[Celerity]

19. Six nations hatched a plot to elect Trump. Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt

All but Russia hate Iran too. Bahrain officially (Sunni royal family) but they are 70% Shia in population.

[SWBTATTReg]

20. So many interfering. Wonder if too many cooks spoil the broth? E.g., they are all in effect, ...

interfering w/ each other's efforts? Also, I've heard that the Chinese interfered too, and they aren't listed as one of the six listed here.

[ananda]

21. IOW, it wasn't just Russia.

And the campaign knew about it.

[moondust]

22. Ugh.

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China? If you're listening...

Autocrats vs. democracy.

[Gothmog]

28. K&R

[FM123]

29. So to trump Khashoggi was just collateral damage...

The war on the press looks quite different now with all blinders removed.

[erronis]

30. So is it religion stirring political pots, or politics/nations stirring religious ones?

Does it matter? Stir and bubble, toil and trouble. Witches all.

Oil is a great pot ingredient as well as a lubricant and fire starter. If the world didn't fight over oil, whatever would we do?

Rare earths? Water? Land for agriculture/living?

Who will remember all these despots, wannabe tyrants in 2-3 centuries when the world will be unrecognizable.

[triron]

32. Thank you for posting this. Seth is really onto this.

[shanti]

98. I wish that Rachel Maddow

would do a piece on this. She would tear it open!

[dlk]

34. Would Republicans Even Care if They Knew Numerous Hostile Foreign Governments Helped "Elect" Trump?

It's not surprising it wasn't just Russia. However, Republicans seem to be so caught up in winning at all costs, they are willing to do absolutely anything, no matter how criminal or damaging to our democracy, to prevail. They continue to be an enormous threat to our country.

[Botany]

35. And how is Sean Hannity, the Mercers, and Eric Prince tied into all of this?

Any American who worked with these foreign powers to
undermine our democracy should be treated as a pariah
and put into prison.

BTW it was so nice to Jared Kushner get $1.3 billion from
the UAE using no doubt Saudi money to bail out his NYC
property @ 666 5th AVE.

[happybird]

64. That's something I want to see further investigated:

How the hell Jared got a security clearance.

He is (or was, now that his gigantic debt has conveniently been paid off) the walking definition of a security risk. The short to-do about it a few months back was not an investigation. We need real answers.

[Botany]

70. From what I understand was that he was turned down for a security clearance but Donny ...

.... over rode that decision. And hence we have Jared getting PDBs (Presidential Daily Briefings) and then
taking them over to his boss Saudi's Crown Prince, MBS and using that information to murder and cut up
Mr. Khashoggi. After which Trump, Pompeo, Kushner and Fox all tried to give MBS cover up the murder
and disparage Khashoggi as having ties to terrorists.


We are in really dark times but the important thing is what about Hillary's emails?

happybird

[paleotn]

84. Yep. It's all about this....

[lpbk2713]

36. Our nation's military and law enforcement had better take a good look at themselves.

Whether they realize it or not, they are protecting and
defending Trump and his web of treachery and deceit.

[certainot]

37. best way for americans to neutralize this is to monitor and neutralize rw radio because they're

working the exact same material for the same bosses

stone, corsi, credico, hannity in the mueller report were primarily radio related. stone used it in 2000 to stop recounts in fla. wiki was part of the russsia hack operation that limbaugh turned into 'climategate' in 2009 to stop obama on climate. stone was part of the team sstudying "1000s of hiurs of talk radio" for trump (and the russians?) in 2014, the same year a russian troll ssaid they "got a list of topics to write about".

most of the soc media that worked piggybacked established talk radio memes. anyone anywhere can call a local show or get the blowhard to read their emails to tens even hundreds of thousands.

most of these countries' dictators had to deal with 'voice of america' radio selling democracy in their countries - foreigners know the value of radio, while modern democrats ignore it.

a company like sopnx.ai can transcribe radio fast and very well for $5/hr with AI and it's fucking irresponsible and negligent for the dem party not to be monitoring talk radio

[no_hypocrisy]

39. "No obstruction! No collusion! I am innocent!"

[H2O Man]

40. Recommended.

Thank you.

[H2O Man]

44. One important thing:

Even before the infamous meeting that George Papadopoulos had on March 24, 2016 with the Russian agent, he was on US intelligence's radar as a suspected Israeli intelligence asset.

[malaise]

60. Interesting

Truth will out

[burrowowl]

97. Hope so!

[mgardener]

42. I want to see Trumps tax returns

Which countries loaned him money?
Has he paid them back?

[NRaleighLiberal]

48. By 9 PM EST election night, it should have been clear to all that the election was stolen.

It certainly was clear to my wife and I, and many of our friends.

[boston bean]

62. I agree. I will never forget the feeling that something awful was perpetrated upon us.

[llmart]

49. Israel...

Even on DU some were castigated for saying anything slightly untoward about Israel.

This is some scary stuff going on. Clearly they knew trump was so stupid he'd do whatever they wanted once elected, but that Hillary wouldn't.

[dalton99a]

50. +1

[wiggs]

54. Most thorough research out there is by Seth. Read him daily. This is the reason

the obstruction took place.

This is why the GOP HOPES we impeach only on obstruction because if this comes out in a credible way Trump goes down quickly and much of the gop with him.

this is why the gang of eight were concerned after getting an fbi briefing

this is why Trump said he's 'f*cked' and his presidency is 'over' when Mueller was hired

This is why the republican judge hearing the flynn case was outraged at the level of conspiracy and wants the Flynn transcripts released

this is why Steele and McCain thought the dossier was so serious that it couldn't stay hidden

this....

[sop]

121. This is why Barr was recently given such far-reaching declassification authority by Trump,

to preview the intelligence gathered by the various agencies on this, and take steps to scrub it before it becomes a new scandal.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

56. Pause for a moment and consider this...

Consider the combined political, cultural and military power and the combined assets/natural resources (as well as a combined GDP of nearly $9-trillion) of these six nations - Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt.

Perhaps it's no small wonder all GOP politicians behave as if they are mysteriously silenced and compromised....

[czarjak]

57. So...

“Rigged”!

[happybird]

68. That is the one thing he excels at

Projection.

[Baltimike]

58. knr

[Hekate]

59. So much for the 2nd Amendment. Taken down wihout a shot fired. nt

[Me.]

61. That Traitor Kushner Belongs In Jail

along with his wife and her family

[Me.]

100. Kick For Continued Visibility

[Pepsidog]

63. I'm cautious on this one. Hard to believe anyone would invest in Trump since 2013.

[colorado_ufo]

71. They play the long game.

Trump, in all this, appears to be a useful and convenient tool. Low hanging fruit, due to his massive debts.

Go figure.

[Pepsidog]

105. He sure is the useful idiot

[mountain grammy]

66. Money and power, the only republican loyalty.

[BlueJac]

67. This is so huge!!

We must do something now!!!

[solara]

73. My question is.. what will be done?

Will anything be done?

Why isn't the world talking about this?

[ancianita]

76. This is a global attack on us. This is just too much. House Dems must have a Sit Down.

I can't do this.

[Nevermypresident]

77. Yet, with this as well as Republicans cheating (gerrymandering, etc.) we should wait

until the 2020 election to get him out.

[SCVDem]

78. The only way to stop this

Is by trial and execution for treason and attempting to overthrow our way of life.

I would include Rush, Hannity and Ingrahm as propaganda ministers.

The crimes get no higher!

[ancianita]

79. Were we overdue for payback?

This is informative but doesn't explicitly address what we're just finding out.

A 2016 study by Dov H. Levin found that, among 938 global elections examined,[a] the United States and Russia (including its predecessor, the Soviet Union) combined had involved themselves in about one out of nine (117), with the majority of those (68%) being through covert, rather than overt, actions.

The same study found that "on average, an electoral intervention in favor of one side contesting the election will increase its vote share by about 3 percent," an effect large enough to have potentially changed the results in seven out of 14 U.S. presidential elections occurring after 1960.[3][c]

According to the study, the U.S. intervened in 81 foreign elections between 1946 and 2000, while the Soviet Union or Russia intervened in 36.[3] A 2018 study by Levin found that the electoral interventions determined in "many cases" the identity of the winner.[9] The study also found suggestive evidence that the interventions increased the risk of democratic breakdown in the targeted states.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention

[MarcA]

85. Oligarchs playing games n/t

[ancianita]

86. Across 40 years of presidencies, no less.

[paleotn]

81. Wonderful....

The mightiest republic the planet has ever seen has been brought down by a reality TV star, a petro state hobbit and a bunch of lilliputians. Nice.

[seta1950]

83. 🔥 🔥 🔥

🔥🔥🔥😱😱😱😱

[Scurrilous]

90. Pompeo, Kushner visit Bilderberg Group event as US Iran policies raise concerns

<snip>

"US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Saturday joined Jared Kushner at a closed-doors meeting of the Bilderberg Group in the Swiss resort of Montreux, with many attendees uneasy about what one protester called the “wrecking ball” that President Donald Trump’s administration has taken to the postwar international order.

The annual gathering of high-profile participants from business, politics, intelligence and defense saw a visit from America’s top diplomat just as freshly-announced Trump tariffs on Mexico rattled world markets and US tensions with Iran raised world concerns."

<snip>

"In addition to Kushner and Pompeo, both of whom are currently on major diplomatic missions, at least two senior Pentagon officials and two senior members of the National Security Council were at the forum.

Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, arrived from Tel Aviv after a three-nation Middle East tour aimed at building support for his yet unreleased Israeli-Palestinian peace plan."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pompeo-kushner-visit-elite-event-as-us-iran-policies-raise-concerns/

[trev]

94. IMO, neither of them deserves a place with the Bilderbergers.

[Hortensis]

92. Too much Seth Abramson, too little fact.

Has he been losing followers after his Mueller thread labored on to an unsupported end? Is that why all this high drama, creation of a new theory linking a NYT article but with extrapolations of things never said?

[Hoyt]

101. +1. Hard to stop a conspiracy tsunami.

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[EndGOPPropaganda]

109. Thank you.

I think it’s likely Israel was involved in some way, but we have no proof. Let’s wait for more info.

[triron]

102. Sigh. Your post is very disturbing.

[YOHABLO]

93. Just follow the money. Where do you think Trump has been getting all the money???

Follow Kushner and the Trump Bros. and their travels. Most of these countries seem to pop up.

[Captain Stern]

95. "What goes around, comes around"...

..."What's good for the goose is good for the gander"

..."you reap what you sow"

...."the student has become the master"

Lots of old-timey sayings. But they all sort of apply now.

Rumor has it, we may have influenced an election or two ourselves (for the good, of course).

I'm having a hard time being super shocked or outraged that other countries would do their best to influence ours....Even our "allies".

Of course, I'd prefer they influence our elections in a way that I would prefer, but I haven't been granted that luxury.

[zentrum]

112. Noam Chompsky agrees with you.

Yup--karma's a you-know-what.

[Go Vols]

125. Yep

[roamer65]

96. China won't abandon Iran.

China wants Iran as a SCO member.

Eventually most of the oil producing ME countries will be Chinese-occupied or under the Chinese sphere of influence.

Russia takes a definite back seat to Chinese. The Russians are the attack dog of the Sino-Russian alliance (SCO). If the Chinese wanted Siberia, it would be a cake walk for them and the Russians know it.

[Gothmog]

99. It took the combined efforts of six different countries to elect trump

[triron]

103. Media still memes the theme that Hillary was a 'weak' candidate!

Makes me crazy angry.

[zentrum]

106. Noam Chomsky said on

.....Amy Goodman's great show, Democracy Now!, just last week that the USA has interferred in other country's elections as well.

If he's correct, and he usually is, now we know how it feels.

[triron]

110. So this justifies Trump's treason?

[zentrum]

111. Don't know how

....you get to that.

It justifies nothing.

Important to know one's effect on the world.
Important to know our own damn history.

It hurts our moral standing and our interference makes us ƒair game.

The entire thing needs to stop.

It's anti-democratic.

[Hoyt]

114. We've been messing in other country's elections for decades. That's why I'm not

overly ticked at Russia or any other country that did this. I am ticked that trump won.

[zentrum]

118. That's it.

[triron]

127. Trump didn't win.

Putin and other international conspirators did.

[Hoyt]

128. I hear you, but trump is in office. Truthfully, I think trump being in office is more due to

supporters of a candidate who lost in Democratic primaries who either voted directly for trump or indirectly by staying home, voting 3rd Party or writing in another candidate in the general. Comey is also a major factor.


The esteemed investigator Mueller said 21 times that his office "did not identify evidence" that the trump campaign colluded, conspired, etc., with the Ruskies. He even said this about the polling data that was "shared" with the Ruskies:

"Because of questions about Manafort' s credibility and our limited ability to gather evidence on what happened to the polling data after it was sent to Kilimnik, the Office could not assess what Kilimnik (or others he may have given it to) did with it. The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election, which had already been reported by U.S. media outlets at the time of the August 2 meeting. The investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

[AllaN01Bear]

107. wheres china?

[EleanorR]

113. Jesus, I just finished reading the NYT article in the original tweet

Another investigation, prompted by a whistle-blower, is examining the possibility that the United Arab Emirates used cyberespionage techniques from former American operatives to spy on American citizens.

Yet the prince’s courtship of the Trump administration has not been damaged. In the two and a half years since his first meeting with Mr. Kushner, Prince Mohammed has received almost everything he sought from the White House.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly backed the positions of the Emirati prince: by endorsing his Saudi protégé after the Khashoggi killing, by applauding the isolation of Qatar even as the secretary of state and secretary of defense publicly opposed it, by canceling the nuclear deal with Iran, by seeking to designate the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group, and by vetoing legislation to cut off American military support for Saudi and Emirati forces in Yemen.

In April, Mr. Trump publicly endorsed the Emiratis’ favored militia leader in Libya one day after a phone call with Prince Mohammed — even through Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had previously urged the same leader to retreat.

[reACTIONary]

115. Exciting stuff!!!

And good to know he is not making things up. Per se.

Writers at The New Republic, The Atlantic, and Deadspin have described Abramson as a conspiracy theorist, while Ben Mathis-Lilley of Slate argues that Abramson is "not making things up, per se; he's just recycling information you could find on any news site and adding sinister what-if hypotheticals

According to a review in the Herald, "Amassed theories and suggestive juxtapositions notwithstanding, we end up with something closer to the Scottish 'not proven' verdict with its unique mix of moral conviction of guilt and inability to conclusively prove the case."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Abramson

[Mr. Sparkle]

119. All the shithole countries. n/t

[MerryBlooms]

120. R&K

I hope Rachel Maddow leads with this story tonight.

Thank you for posting.

[sarabelle]

122. I was alerted for having the audacity to surmise that Israel and Russia were together on this.

They both hated Obama and the hate transferred to Hillary. But the plot is much thicker than that.

[JesterCS]

124. Bump n/t

[Farmer-Rick]

126. Notice none of them are democracies.

And most of them are feudal, dictatorial and/or theocracies.