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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have bad news. Trump has figured something out.
Trump now knows he is above the law. I hate posting depressing news but this is what I am seeing. The Democrats may have to do something drastic to fix this mess.
Trump now knows if you claim executive privilege, charging people with contempt is pretty much worthless. You can ignore subpoenas, refuse to turn over documents. If you take it to court it can take years. The democrats could try something drastic like inherent contempt, we will have to wait and see. That hasn't happened in about a hundred years.
Mueller set precedent that a sitting president cannot be indicted. There is no law that says a president cannot be indicted. There was no set precedent. There is now.
Right now it doesn't look like Mueller wants to testify.
Trump has total and complete control of the Republicans in congress. They are terrified of him. Trump knows he can get them to block impeachment. The democrats would have to find a smoking gun in order to get the Republicans to impeach. Will the Democrats impeach? No one knows. Right now it doesn't look that way.
That's pretty much where we stand right now. I have been hoping something would happen that would show me that we can stop this lunatic. I'm not seeing it. I see Trump getting stronger by the day. and it is depressing. Something could happen that could change what is happening, but I would not bet on it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)and there do not seem to be any short term remedies. He could care less about the country, the people or the presidency. To him, it's all a reality show and he's the leading star. I do wonder just how far, how much longer this nonsense is going to continue. If the economy bottoms out the republicans will turn on him like a pit of snakes.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Trump has also found an AG who has pretty much admitted he will risk everything to protect Trump. Trump knows he is above the law.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Blockers where they mattered, AG, Head of IRS too. He replaced any potential free thinkers in cabinet. Hired conniving Gulliani. Handpicked SDNY crony. Bet Christopher Wray out next.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)not just impeached, isn't exactly going to activate his nonexistent sense of humor.
That said, of course, the various techniques involving smashing the law by elected officials (including election theft) takes up all of chapters 3-6, 11-18, and 21-34, finishing up with 43-46 in How to Become a Fascist Dictator for Dummies.
With Republicans in control of the senate, he's not without hope.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Welcome to Trumpmerica. Enjoy your stay, work hard, watch Fox News, and don't complain.
anarch
(6,536 posts)these bastards seem determined to hasten the effects of climate change, which are probably already unavoidable...so how about a nice fascist dictatorship to oversee the collapse of society? That ought to work out well, I'm sure....
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Wait until they realize there will be literally NOTHING to eat. No, Donnie, not even KFC.
erronis
(23,880 posts)Then they turn to their parents, rich relatives, maybe siblings.
Still the hunger and deprivation persists.
Then the children, especially the others' children.
The famine sets in.
Then they try to survive on the remaining body guards.
Then.
NewJeffCT
(56,848 posts)Link to tweet
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shockey80
(4,379 posts)I need good news.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)And refusing to provide others.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,604 posts)The entire nation is in serious denial. Trumpy is now our Dictator. Hes proving it every day. He is ignoring subpoenas and Court orders, thus SHOWING that he is superior to both the Legislative and Judicial Branches. Neither branch is asserting its authority. The functional result is that both are acquiescing their authority to Trumpy.
So the game is over. Or so it appears.
Every hour that passes in which Trumpy is not successfully challenged is an hour that this Dictatorship is alive and prospering. And every hour that passes with no direct challenge is an hour of weakening power of both Congress and the Courts. Time is of the essence. But neither the Legislative nor the Judicial branches seem to be up to the task of re-taking their power.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)...giving the play by play. We have no mouthpiece.
Impeach now. Impeach now.
Ok, how's this:
Please, Nancy.
sop
(18,621 posts)Maybe it's affecting the process, I don't know.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)Stopping Trump from garnering more power right now, every day unto himself, is MORE IMPORTANT than the political considerations for 2020.
Because, like a juggernaut, the more norms that are broken; the more setbacks to the Rule of Law and the Separation of Powers, the less likely we are able to save ourselves in an election.
Pelosi is wrong to let this dither.
It doesn't have to be this way, if people of conscience do their part.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Vinca
(53,994 posts)It's time to pursue the requests in court and start locking people up for contempt.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)Next he is going to kill the ACA...he already is planning it and can do it.
Chin music
(24,999 posts)Like my forefathers, I'd die before I'd turn this country over to dictator don, to destroy the lives of my family. I'm sure I'm not the only one. The most dangerous people, are those with nothing left to lose. Key is to make red dons actions, hurt repubs. dons reign would end real quick.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)msongs
(73,754 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,291 posts)Answer: Anything he wants.
Remember, this is the man who asked, "If we have nukes, why don't we use them?"
Be afraid, Iran.
erronis
(23,880 posts)Iran will be harder to handle than some areas of the US. RW death squads?
If it works here, why not in Europe?
Bravo, poutine.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,291 posts)Here's how it works:
1. Select Tehran from the city pulldown list
2. Choose a yield (I used the W87 Minuteman III warhead - 300 kilotons)
3. Detonate!
Here's the result:

The key is on the right side of the page.
Shhh! Don't tell Fat Donnie!
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)From Roosevelt -
― Franklin D. Roosevelt
We should never forget those who fought and served and died for their country..WW11
We are in a battle for democracy..again!!!!!!
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Thekaspervote
(35,820 posts)It has been posted here on DU several times. Good words for the struggles we are facing from a great leader
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/eisenhower-recalls-sacrifices-of-d-day-20-years-later/
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Blue Owl
(59,104 posts)How I wish something would change this bullshit...
Seriously?! Why is this big dumb idiot allowed to prance around above the law???
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)tRump does not know he is above the law. He might wish it so, and he has a compliant AG and has a turtle puppet-master in the Senate. He's hoping he can skate through like he has so many times before. He can hope all he wants but that doesn't make it true.
But he is not above the law. It will take time.
The judiciary and the Intelligence Community and Democrats are fighting back. They will fight harder if he escalates.
Total negativity does not correspond with reality and leads to self-defeatism. It is not useful.
Ilsa
(64,371 posts)of the White House. There is crap hanging over his head in NY.
erronis
(23,880 posts)The worms that the RW/anti-democracy groups have inserted into the government are deep.
But the worms are not particularly intelligent and the career personnel know a lot more about government than the whole of the executive branch/appointees.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Thekaspervote
(35,820 posts)Bettie
(19,704 posts)all of the actual enforcement comes from the DOJ.
Our DOJ is entirely corrupted at this point.
Who will force him to, say, turn over documents if (when) the courts rule against him? I truly do want to know, because from what I've read, the Marshall service would normally be the agency to deal with such things, but they are led by presidential appointees and governed by the DOJ. Barr can and will simply stop any enforcement action.
Unfortunately, it appears that our system is largely predicated on all branches having at least some decent humans who believe that laws are real and need to be followed. Right now, the executive branch has none.
anarch
(6,536 posts)and unfortunately their main project right now is packing the judiciary with right-wing ideologues and corporate cronies. It is pretty seriously FUBAR; these assholes have subverted and coopted our entire political system.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Otherwise the corruption spreads a bit more and gets harder to fight.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)and there is someone who has the power to make them comply.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)Doesn't mean it's true.
"Mueller set precedent that a sitting president cannot be indicted."
False.
Auggie
(33,150 posts)He was following instructions from the acting Attorney General.
If you want to blame someone, blame Rod Rosenstein.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Auggie
(33,150 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)In this case it will take changing the government and then some legislation.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)The Nixon and Clinton DOJs both said it. That is where the rule came from -- not Sessions or Barr.
From Janet Reno's DOJ:
https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/sitting-president%E2%80%99s-amenability-indictment-and-criminal-prosecution
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)It's not a 'legal precedent', therefore no future prosecutors is ever going to go 'Well, Bob Mueller said XYZ, so I have to adhere to that'. A prosecutor's actions don't have that sort of legal weight.
Thus, it's wrong to refer to what Mueller did as 'setting a precedent'. He can't, really.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)world wide wally
(21,836 posts)Go for impeachment and then vote his ass out. There are more of us... Period
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Better Presidents than him were removed from office.
Resign asshole!
mgardener
(2,360 posts)He doesn't even think about it. He has had lawyers, money and knew the right people.
He has been doing this for YEARS.
The only difference is that he is doing it in front of the nation and the world and the Republicans are cowards.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)The republicans are co-conspirators.
sop
(18,621 posts)Wolff: "And Trump brags a lot about how long he's been in - how many times he's been in court. He's basically been in litigation for 45 years."
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,689 posts)Especially if we do not impeach. He is well on his way to increasing his popularity. Because many Americans are conditioned, in part by movies and TV shows (ironically probably most all the actors were liberals) . Where its not about how "bad" you are, its how entertaining, how dominant, how successful, you are as a character. Case in point: Tony Soprano, Walter White, Don Draper, on and on...
And so it will be seen that he is a strong survivor who outlived his enemies. Survivors may not be the best character, (look at the original Survivor in the show of the same name) But they are always respected more than the second place person. Democrats will be painted as cowards, whether THEY think they are doing the 'right' thing by being prudently conservative, or not. They will lose votes from their own base, and they will not gain any new votes from those just outside the party waiting for a reason to vote Democratic.
Locrian
(4,523 posts)Too many people don't understand that, and how conditioned people are by the US culture. It changes where the battle is being fought (and won).
This is less a legal fight than a culture fight - and all the political calculations, keep your powder dry, behind closed doors strategizing etc isn't going to change that.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)He has false temporary leverage.
He's weaker by the day as the process of following The Law continues.
This process of The Law is the Democrats' leverage. The only true, not false, political leverage will be the political leverage given the public when it witnesses the evidence and story of his corruption.
They will then have THE political leverage, and will make it known in 2020.
That's how I see his "above the law" posing.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(16,211 posts)This is on Congress, which means it's on us. Hold your congress person's feet to the fire. Hold them accountable for holding 45 accountable.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,096 posts)And the thugs he put in the White House (Barr, etc) are assisting him in his continued criminal enterprise.
They are now openly, and brazenly ignoring the rule of law.
They are equating themselves with royalty. And they expect to replace Orange Trump with a successor from his family. Like Kim does, like the Monarchy does.
It is way past time for us to stand up.
struggle4progress
(126,153 posts)CaptainTruth
(8,200 posts)Yes, he's going to fight everything in court but I can guarantee you judges aren't going to just throw up their hands & say "golly gee I can't do anything, he's above the law."
Hell no. Think about how the judiciary branch regards & guards its power. You think they're going to roll over & be lap dogs for the executive branch? You think they're just going to give up the co-equal status of their branch of government?
I have not seen a single thing that makes me believe that will happen, & in fact, I've seen things (the Mazars & Deutsche Bank rulings) that show me it WON'T happen.
watoos
(7,142 posts)ordered the Flynn conversation with the Russian ambassador released, just changed his mind, did a 180. The DOJ doesn't have to release it now, Constitutional crisis averted because they weren't going to release that conversation anyway.
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)I was hoping Judge Sullivan would at least attempt to send US Marshalls to arrest someone. There was questions of whether the Marshalls would back the Court or the DOJ but I wish he had at least tried to enforce it.
The Wizard
(13,735 posts)Ohioboy
(3,893 posts)They designed a lot of checks and balances, but I think they were counting on future presidents to at least be honorable men ( I'm using "men" because I think that's what they would have said). Apparently the system has flaws when it comes to a complete egotistical con- artist with no character or morals like Trump.
stillcool
(34,407 posts)it's the GOP. They've been cooking up this brew for a long time now, and are one election away from a permanent majority.
Ohioboy
(3,893 posts)But Trump is one of their main tools, and they need a tool like him to help do what they are doing.
The Wizard
(13,735 posts)They expect all others to tell the truth. Lying to them gums up their story line. Make them deny the lies by revealing the truth which may not be as bad as the lies, but nonetheless still damning. Once you get them talking / denying, anything can happen. Lack of ethics and morals does not constitute intelligence.
VOX
(22,976 posts)It was the GOP that wanted him, and they defend him to the hilt, even in the face of overt law-breaking, and a general attitude of lawlessness.
Republicans have put party over country, and theyd be happy as pigs in shit if their one-party rule never ended. THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY, and need to be voted OUT.
It will take some time and serious resolve, as Republicans have never taken a break from their compulsive power accumulation, in small offices and large. Theyve been chipping away at bedrock American principles since Richard Nixons presidency.
Ive been a proud Democrat since age 21 (couldnt vote in a general election until age 23), and in all that time, Ive realized that Democrats major weakness is long-standing: EXPECTATIONS.
Expectations of fair play, transparency, adherence to the law, truthfulness, inclusion, mutual cooperation, etc. Conversely, Republicans want none of this, Its all-or-nothing with them. There is no gambit, no ploy, no smear, no false accusation thats too low for them. They are long-standing, masterful practitioners of garbage politics. And sadly, its often effective.
Republicans in 2019 are to America as the Nazis were to Germany in 1933; sad to say, theres no hyperbole in that statement. And thats why impeachment proceedings NOW are a must, as a free and fair 2020 election (and its aftermath) isnt a sure thing with the current configuration of power in Washington and Moscow.
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)We have to get Republicans out of power in all three government branches as well as remove them from power in individual states. It will take a lot of hard work but Democrats are an absolute majority and demographics are such that our power will only increase with time.
Now, of course, well never get Dems in office if we dont deal with the GOPs treason. We must impeach.
Hopefully, best case scenario, is that we elect a Dem President and flip the Senate in 2020. It could be our last chance to save the country.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Compared to 31 and 14 before the 2018 election.
In 21 states, there are both Republican governors and Republican majority legislatures. Democrats have full state control in 14 states.
However, Democrats did gain majorities in six state legislatures/houses: Colorado, Connecticut, Maine, New York, Minnesota and New Hampshire.
https://www.axios.com/midterms-2018-state-legislatures-chambers-democrats-18570e5e-7f5c-4fe3-a4ed-1d14fbd9b5c8.html
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)Some of those states would be Democratic controlled but for gerrymandering.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Unfortunately, the SCOTUS recently punted on the crucial issue of gerrymandering.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna987516
Supreme Court appears likely to leave issue of partisan gerrymandering to states
The court heard challenges to congressional maps that locked in an advantage for Republicans in North Carolina and that gave an extra seat to Democrats in Maryland.
NBC News
March 26, 2019, 12:56 PM ET
By Pete Williams
WASHINGTON The Supreme Court appeared unlikely Tuesday to rule that federal courts have a role in deciding how much partisanship is too much when state legislatures draw the maps for voting districts.
In the past, the court has said that because redistricting is essentially a partisan political act, it would be impossible to determine when partisan gerrymandering became unconstitutional. Based on Tuesday's courtroom argument, a majority of the justices have not been persuaded that there's a way around that problem.
<snip>
Buckeyeblue
(6,352 posts)The problem is that these districts impact not just state legislators but the the House as well. So wouldn't state A which is gerrymandered to elect Republicans impact the rights of state B which is not? You can flip the argument for either party. But the only recourse state B has over state A is federal court.
Anyway, I'm tired of the states rights argument. That argument should have been put to bed with the civil war.
Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)sprinkleeninow
(22,343 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Kitchari
(2,951 posts)who want to run for the presidential nomination to run for Senate seats instead -- & get rid of the Republican enablers
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)But hes terribly mistaken. I firmly believe he will face justice one way or another.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,957 posts)cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)currently.
As for Trump I think legally he had better worry about NY and other states that are investigating him as his pardon power wont help him against state charges unless the state itself acknowledges federal pardons as pardoning for state crimes at the same time.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)and thus Mueller could not testify for that reason?
sarabelle
(453 posts)the Democrats will not. He must testify. He must speak to and for the American people. If he does not, it now becomes Mueller whose legacy will bear the brunt of helping Trump to destroy US democracy. Mueller's testimony is so necessary.
FOX and the GOP will bear the label of enablers of the destruction of US democracy.
hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)to ask? Honestly, you are demoralizing the very DUers we need to take action. I'm no advocate of self-delusion but you daily go too far in the opposite direction.
Do your paragraphs of "all hope is lost" but kindly find ONE thing, just ONE thing to halt a stampede for the proverbial cliff.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Trump will be impeached and all the Republicans in the Senate will come to their senses and convict Trump. Barr and all of Trumps band of crooks will all be convicted and sent to prison. How's that , better?