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TexasTowelie

(127,350 posts)
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:37 AM Jun 2019

Why Trump may have an unexpected weakness with rural voters in 2020

A new Democratic analysis suggests the party’s 2020 presidential nominee has an overlooked opportunity to win over voters in rural America, potentially halting a decade-long slide with a slice of the electorate that has shifted decisively toward the GOP.

The analysis itself is replete with caveats and faces deep skepticism from top Republicans and even some Democrats, who doubt President Donald Trump is losing ground in a region of the country that includes his most devoted supporters. But it might nonetheless reshape the common understanding of how Democrats can win next year’s presidential election — and points to a possible vulnerability for Trump and the GOP.

The Democratic analytics firm Catalist recently published a review of the 2018 midterm elections using data gleaned from voter files, a state-by-state report that offers the most detailed look yet at turnout in last year’s races.

The findings were startling: When comparing the 2016 presidential election to 2018 House races, the biggest increase of support for Democrats came not in the suburbs (which received the most attention) but in rural areas.

Read more: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/campaigns/article231263808.html

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Cha

(319,079 posts)
1. I should hope so!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:52 AM
Jun 2019

We saw it happening on Midterm Election night, and each night after until BlueWave!



Mahalo, TexasT

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. "Democrats recovered slightly more than half the vote in rural areas that
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 05:47 AM
Jun 2019
they lost between 2012 and 2016, a net gain of about six percentage points in the region. By comparison, Democratic gains in suburban areas were roughly a point or two lower."

Fascinating article, thanks. The rural pinkening wave was mostly from younger and unmarried whites voting Democrat, and they're not just the kind of deplorables who voted "other" in 2016 but also previous Trump voters. We only regained half of the rural vote lost during Obama's second term alone, though, and that means a lot more potential.

Presidential elections are very different from midterm, of course. Do we go after the rural vote? We desperately need to break the increasingly extremist Republican hold on most of America, and how do we do that if we cede huge regions of the nation (with electoral college multipliers) to them? Wins these years are often by narrow margins. Shouldn't we use that to fix America, turn narrow losses into wins and then work on solidfying them?

In other words, the change in rural America’s electoral margins didn’t occur only because Trump’s core supporters stayed home on Election Day — the shift happened because voters changed their minds after 2016 and, consequently, might be inclined to continue to support the next Democratic presidential nominee in 2020. ...

Voters who switched their political allegiance in 2018 would figure to be prime targets for the eventual Democratic presidential nominee. ... And in the event that most do return to Trump, even small declines of rural support for a president who won narrowly in 2016 would seriously undermine his re-election campaign. ...

TexasTowelie

(127,350 posts)
3. You're welcome.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:05 AM
Jun 2019

I think that there are a few rural states that voted for Trump that could change to the Democratic nominee in 2020. I'm glad that Texas is being mentioned in the group, but Arizona, Georgia, Iowa and Wisconsin are also in the mix. The financial impact of the tariff wars is taking a toll on the dairy, farm, and ranch communities.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Terrible toll on rural communities. Heard recently
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:30 AM
Jun 2019

about a friend's sister, whose family restaurant up in Iowa or Indiana is in trouble from all this.

This is from the article linked to in this one, same study but not limited to rural voting, on the discussion of whether Democrats should focus on mobilizing the formerly feckless to the polls or go after disaffected Repubs/Repub-indies. Data show our blue wave came more from the latter -- RW voters voting blue, but they say it should be "and," not "or."

Rather than picking one path, the new Catalist data on 2018 signals that Democrats need to do some of both in 2020. But, on balance, its analysis found that a clear majority of Democrats' gains from 2016 to 2018 came from voters switching their preference, rather than from changes in the electorate's composition.


That last is rather shocking. After nearly 2 years of Trump and several of increasingly corrupt and betraying Republican legislators, mobilization of the 40% feckless and young (and many of our @5% who may not vote from age/disability), was still lower than migration from right to left.

Agree we need to try for both, but this is making me think we really need special concentration on the kind of people who show up to vote every 2 years. We only need a few more percent for a revolution.


empedocles

(15,751 posts)
6. Younger sectors are less hate driven, and more vulnerable to trump economics
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:46 AM
Jun 2019

downsides. The Dem base drives seem less motivating

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Don't blame Democratic principles and messages, blame those
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:01 AM
Jun 2019

unmoved by them.

I'm very serious. Just what does it take to "move" yourself to the polls once every 2 years to vote for what you believe is right and/or against wrong?

Fact is, the conservative model has stronger commitment "genes." A lot of nonvoters who ally with the left never will vote because of what they are. Many really don't care enough to stand up for something, the typically vague excuses about "they" and "them" mainly just tending their self images.

As far as this particular civic duty goes, I'd have to award the points to the kind of Green Party members who are often unemployed and insist work requirements for welfare are a form of slavery BUT who may occasionally bestir themselves to vote.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
8. My perspective is that holding the 20 red district House seats is imperative.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 07:47 PM
Jun 2019

Elections are decided in the 'center'. Those red district Congress 20, need to appeal to their district needs to win. They do not need purists putting targets on their back, or anything like that. Dems, lose the House control, and things can be disastrous.

Many Dem Prez candidate seem to be calculating that trump is a fair bet to lose, if they can win Dem nomination, they can win in November, even though their downticket appeal is not strong, [think pragmatically, Socialist type labels, something like 80% of voters do not have a positive opinion of socialism.].

On an optimistic note, a Dem November win with long 'coattails' could accomplish much more in 2021 and beyond. The bigger the win; the more that can be accomplished.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Hostile and venal media are pushing the "socialist-type"
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jun 2019

idea for all they can get out of it. We all know socialism isn't a force in our party, mostly a phony boogie the right is trying to smear us with. Even socialist lite revolution can't be sold to an electorate who can look it up on their phones. So no accident the smear didn't work during the midterms, when candidates across the nation ran on meeting local needs in ways people wanted.

Big, bold solutions for big problems and big advances where we must have them are not at all the same thing as revolution, though they can have revolutionary effect as FDR's New Dealers proved. And our party and current candidates are running on the former, and wanting that is actually what large majorities on both sides of the aisle have in common. Disaffected conservatives may be energized to get out and vote against us, but not by the threat of national healthcare or a return to affordable college.

And take a good look at our candidates for real: lots of heavy-hitter mainstream liberals and some lighter weight mainstream liberals and blue dogs. Sanders is there but an outlier who poisoned himself for 2020 in 2016. Only Elizabeth Warren is coming over as iconoclastic, and interestingly, perhaps because she's batting for the establishment, her big proposals are not frightening anyone so far, even drawing some approval from the right. No one really expects her to be our nominee at this point, though, and after Sanders she's the biggest "socialist/commie" scare the swiftboaters have.

Very to the point also, Sanders is pushing capitalism-based solutions in 2019 and also trying to appeal to conservatives. And even those proposals aren't iconoclastic but rather resurrected liberal Democratic answers that worked in the past, before the Republicans took us in a bad direction. So indicative of what people really want. A yearning for socialist revolution is not exactly why why the old-fashioned label "Medicare for All" caught fire. It was because name itself suggests a turn to what is old and proven.

All those old programs and rights people are so comfortable with and want protected, expanded, more of -- and returned to them where lost, were and are Democratic Party achievements from the New Deal era ending in 1980, plus bright spots from the conservative era like equal rights advances and the ACA.

MSM coverage of us as a party is averaging 2-3 Pinocchios, and the right will hit extremely hard for 2020. But really, so far it seems to be shaping up pretty much as you wish. My fingers are long crossed and cramped while waiting for those tragically delayed coattails.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
14. I agree. I would add 'hostile and venal' 'cons are pushing the socialist-type labels.
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 09:57 AM
Jun 2019

However, that tired, bad old horse label has been a proven winner in many areas many times for the cons.

Unfortunately, we need every seat we can get, to do the best we can do. Some here hate Manchin. I understand - but we need that vote on the Dem side. Absolutely, no realistic way to get around that. A 'Socialist' label, which should be a winner in West Virginia, is a actually/realistically, almost a sure fire loser. Purist putting targets on the backs of centrist Dems is political suicide for the Dems - though beneficial in various ways for some politicians.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. Florida is in the mix also. Trump really insulted Puerto Ricans.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:12 PM
Jun 2019

Guess who are moving to Florida? Culturally Puerto Ricans are closer to South, Central Anericans and Mexicans than they are to Cubans.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. We don't need to win those areas, just hold down the republican lead in them.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:07 PM
Jun 2019

That is something that we have failed to excel at.

We need to send people in those areas to talk to people about how we feel about some guns and why our position makes sense. Yes, our big name may get booed, but if he or she gives us 800 more votes in some of those spread out counties, we are one step closer to winning the state.

lindysalsagal

(22,915 posts)
4. A case for attempting to win over frump voters....maybe...
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 06:12 AM
Jun 2019
Since Clinton’s defeat, Democrats have debated whether the party should emphasize reaching out to Trump voters or mobilizing their own electoral base. For many activists, trying to win over Trump supporters is a waste of resources for a voter bloc in lockstep support of the president.

Democrats who see a way to make inroads in rural regions say this mindset is a mistake.

“There’s an opportunity to improve there, but we have to connect and we have to commit,” said J.B. Poersch, president of Senate Majority PAC. “There have to be resources at the table here.”

Still, Democrats have reason to think that votes in rural America will be hard to come by — even if voters did signal an openness to their party last year.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. We don't have to win over Trump voters.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:19 PM
Jun 2019

In my red county, republicans are the dominant voting base by a large amount. Trump did a campaign rally in the largest small city in the county. No one from Hillary's campaign came within 80 miles of my county and the neighboring smaller blue county. Hillary lost my county by less than 10% with no effort here. There is around 130,000 voters in the county, denting Trump's margin by another 2% and repeating that in similar counties in Florida would have given Hillary Florida. Trump would have won my red county and red counties like it, but he would have lost the statewide race.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. We have failed to send big names into those areas.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:02 PM
Jun 2019

There are a lot of democrats in those areas and a few republicans who are unsure about their party. We don't send our candidate or a big name into those areas, instead focusing on winning big on big cities and suburbs of those states.

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