Trump Rally highlights - scary rhetoric: "They will strip Americans of their Constitutional rights"

[Demovictory9]

'If I deleted one email like a love note to Melania, It's the electric chair for Trump!' President rails against 'Crooked Hillary' in Orlando and 'fake news' as he claims it's the DEMS who want to abuse the 'power of the law to punish opponents'

The president spent the first half-hour of a Tuesday night rally hammering his old foe Hillary Clinton

Trump said his team wondered if it should hold the rally in a venue which can hold 20,000 people
‘Not only did we fill it up, but we had 120,000 requests...Congratulations!’ the president said to cheers

The president's daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, invited the criticism when she wound up an arena of supporters
Husband Eric, who spoke after her, had a crowd of more than 20,000 screaming, 'CNN Sucks!'
'He loves this country and we, as a family, love this country. We're going to fight like hell', Eric said

Donald Trump Jr. mocked Joe Biden before the rowdy crowd that waited in the heat and rain for hours
'He gets up on the stump. It's so stupid,' he said, claiming the ex-VP has four-person crowds

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‘The Democrats don’t care about Russia, they only care about their own political power. They went after my family, my business, my finances, my employees, almost everyone that I’ve ever known or worked with. But they are really going after you. That’s what it’s all about. It’s not about us, it’s about you. They tried to erase your vote, erase your legacy of the greatest campaign and the greatest election probably in the history of our country,’ he claimed.

The president said, ‘They wanted to deny you the future you demanded and the future that America deserved and that now America is getting. Our radical Democrat opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice and rage. They want to destroy you, and they want to destroy our country as we know it. Not acceptable, it’s not going to happen. Not gonna happen.’

Trump claimed that Democrats would use the ‘power of the law to punish their opponents’ if they take back the seat of power.

‘Imagine if we had a Democrat president and a Democrat Congress in 2020. They would shut down your free speech, use the power of the law to punish their opponents – which they’re trying to do now anyway – they’ll always be trying to shield themselves,’ he said.’ They will strip Americans of their Constitutional rights while flooding the country with illegal immigrants in the hopes it will expand their political base and they’ll get votes someplace down the future. That’s what it’s about.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7156179/Trumps-2020-kickoff-features-media-bashing-attacks-Joe-Biden-old-foe-Hillary-Clinton.html

[Bettie]

1. The projection is strong with this one

he's really all about it. But hey, he tells everyone what he's doing right fucking now.

[Claritie Pixie]

2. Flip it. They're talking about themselves and what they want to do.

Evil people.

[Buckeyeblue]

21. That's right. He always projects his shit on others.

[Hortensis]

38. Yes, they've been systematically taught to project their own

crimes on us for decades now and are now so extremely practiced that it's automatic. A self-induced, effective psychosis. I've thought that to project those own sins on us, they must have even a split second of awareness that triggers it, but then gone? Hidden somewhere in a back closet?

Sigh. Evil, all right. And these banality-of-evil people are among the worst. It's critically important to differentiate, though, between the hopeless and those who are not happy with what the Republican Party has become and is doing...

[Leghorn21]

4. "a love note to Melania"?

Now we KNOW you're lying, LOSER

[Scurrilous]

5. "If I deleted one email like a love note to Melania..."

I bet she deletes them.

[Grasswire2]

7. Terrifying and sickening.

I may have to start drinking.

[smirkymonkey]

12. Yeah, I have already started.

I swear, this bastard is going to kill me. On my third glass of rose. It's not healthy.

[shanen]

8. How to mock the Trump rallies into oblivion?

Actually, I'm hoping this already exists and someone can URL me some videos to laugh it. However, this form of the idea only came to me after I met a couple of impersonators. One guy was imitating Trump, and it was kind of frightening, but the other guy looked exactly like Kim Jong-Un, and he was terrifying... But he gave me this newish idea:

I want to see a comedy show where part of it is Trump leading the audience in a mock rally. For the climax of the show, after some "jokes" about child separation, they would start the mock rally. Trump would lead the audience in a mob chant of "Lock kids up, LOCK KIDS UP!" The audience would find a Trump mask under their seats. It could be as simple as a piece of paper with an angry Trump face and a mouth hole. The mob would be a bunch of angry little Trumps led by the big Trump.

Obviously (at least it's obvious to me) the real idea is to show how horrible Trump's angry chanting mobs are. Concretely, in the form of a short viral video of trying to lock up innocent children. I'm imagining about 30 seconds with a crescendo of angry unison in the middle gradually shifting to inchoate screams of rage. I know it's not plausible that Trumpists can think, but maybe a few of them will see the video and actually pause and think "Do I want to be part of that?"

Another part of the show could involve Big Kim (because he was taller than the real dictator) doing voice-overs to reveal what Trump is really thinking. The Trump would say something crazy or apparently inexplicable, and then freeze while Big Kim does the voice-over of what's going on in the punkin' orange head. Three categories there: (1) How whatever he said will make money for himself, (2) How the words will destroy his enemies, (3) Flashes of contempt for the suckers who believe him.

Like I said, I'm eager to see the video, though I'd even be glad to buy a ticket to support the cause and to participate as part of the travesty of #Brokeahontas and everything he stands for.

[Roland99]

9. Pure unadulterated projection

[UniteFightBack]

10. Too bad this prick is going to get BLOWN OUT...and not in a good way. nt

[customerserviceguy]

11. I had a disturbing thought today

and reading this just confirms what I fear may happen.

Envision Trump losing in 2020. Yes, easy to do, no doubt. But does he go away quietly like all of the other former Presidents in modern times? Does he undertake humanitarian ventures, perhaps in combination with a former President of the Democratic Party?

I think we all know the answer to that, but vaguely. What if he starts charging that the election was stolen from him, and he stokes up his followers to push for a Confederate States of America, part two? The one thing he's been excellent at is dividing us, and another one and a half years gives him more to continue to do so, in what will be one of the most divisive elections in modern times.

His siren song to the reich wing will be hard to resist. He'll tell them to imagine having their own country, where abortion is always illegal, same-sex marriages will be null and void, and undocumented immigrants will be dealt with even more harshly than today. No more welfare, and low taxes on business, with "jobs for all". What's in it for him? Well, a CSA 2.0 would have no troublesome amendment that limits him to two terms, and he can be President for Life.

The targeted states for a CSA 2.0 probably have enough agricultural, mining, and industrial base to survive on their own, without the non-targeted states resources. Would citizens from blue states agree to being drafted to fight a war to keep the secessionists in the United States? Perhaps not.

We would see migrations of progressive people in red states to blue ones, and vice-versa. That would more fully polarize the two factions. Migration was not terribly easy in the 1860's, but it is considerably more so today.

We've already seen threads about how Trump would not leave the White House voluntarily even after two terms, and they have some credibility. About the only thing that would prevent him from starting a CSA 2.0 is either his death in office, or serving two terms and his VP wins election in 2024. But that would exact a very heavy price on this country.

Keep that in mind when you want to call a red-stater a deplorable, or boycott a chicken restaurant, or a state when it comes to filming movies, and any number of other things that divide us. Unity after Trump will be an extremely difficult task for the next Democratic president, and Trump will do everything in his power to undermine that, both while in office, and when out of it.

[happyaccident]

13. Red states would lose too much money. The entire gop, top down, is comprised of grifters.

Losing the government federal aid would hurt too many rich people in real control of the state. The "base" are marks without the conviction, organization or ability to actually do anything but bitch and bluster weak internet threats. In fact I think the real grifters know that the best place to be in order to fleece the flock is as underdog with a Democratic majority to hate. Works for gun dealers, too. Liberals are the real fighters in the real war... fighting for equality and justice for all people. We've ALWAYS have been on the bottom. We're just FUCKING TOUGHER.

[customerserviceguy]

14. Most of the surplus

that the red states get over the blue ones is from military spending. If there were an isolationist CSA 2.0, they might not need an expensive military.

You may be right about what you say, but would you put it past Trump to try something like this?

[happyaccident]

16. They may not need an expensive military but

There are corporations far too dependent on that federal military spending. And you can always use a military, if only to stay in power. And what Trump wants is his old life back but with trump tv to play with until he strokes out. He's not the problem, that old american authoritarianism is. We did start off as multiple charters (corporations). It's hard to go against "the job creators".

[Grasswire2]

15. this is why he must be held responsible and that process started NOW.

He and the dam fam must be rendered penniless and powerless. Assets seized, passports pulled, restrictions on doing business, etc.

BECAUSE REVENGE IS HIS LIFE.

And he will do ANYTHING to escape unscathed.

Donny Deutsch keeps saying Trump is capable of ANYTHING and will do it.

That's what Michael Cohen said, too -- he said Trump won't go willingly.

Open your eyes, America!

[customerserviceguy]

22. You think impeachment will stop him from dividing the country?

No matter how this turns out, except for the two scenarios I mentioned above, and he will rally his supporters to tear this country in two. And some on our side will be OK with that.

[Grasswire2]

25. it will stop him from garnering ever more authoritarian power to himself, as is happening daily.

And yes, I do believe that impeachment inquiry will bring forward evidence that will drive center-right people away from him.

There's a difference between impeachment and removal, remember. Impeachment inquiry should be the immediate goal. We cannot depend on a free election to rid ourselves of him. He must be stopped from doing more harm now.

[LanternWaste]

30. Merely those implying a fait accompli.

"And some on our side will be OK with that."

Merely those implying a fait accompli unsupported by actual evidence. And as they are so obvious in their melodramatics, it will be that much easier to ignore their cries of wolf.

[customerserviceguy]

37. Every time

you see an anti-South comment in a thread, I have a feeling that the poster of that thread would be happy to see the Southern states out of the USA.

The next Democratic President of the US will face a task just as daunting as Abraham Lincoln faced at the beginning of his first term, if Trump tries to make trouble in ways that we've already seen him do, or at least hint at doing. He would rather divide us than unite us, he's shown that very clearly.

[Maru Kitteh]

19. YESSSSSS!!!!!!

[customerserviceguy]

23. The GOP doesn't own him

He owns them. He snaps his fingers, and, BOOM, Justin Amash is getting primaried.

And, you have a point, maybe it's just that I never dreamed that yesterday would ever come, the launch of Trump's "re-election" campaign. I'd be stuck in whatever part he leads the country into rebellion with.

[Progressive Jones]

18. A "CSA 2.0" would have a hard time surviving.

Economically, the United States would crush CSA2.0. Financial institutions would be nervous about "investing" in a rogue state.
The States that would likely be involved in such nonsense have some of the worst infrastructure. Their electric grid, etc., would
be destroyed by the US. CSA2.0 would also have to be physically located in one connected region. An outlying area wouldn't be able to go it alone.

[customerserviceguy]

24. It would not be difficult

to create a CSA 2.0 that is contiguous, leaving the remaining side with fragmented pieces, like what happened to Pakistan after India got its independence.

A CSA 2.0 would create its own banks. They would find ways to invest in places where they were not subject to labor unions ("right-to-work&quot or EPA environmental laws. As for infrastructure, have you seen what's been crumbling in the Northeast? And wouldn't the CSA 2.0 have all of the assets of the Tennessee Valley Authority in their territory?

Trump might even convince the Chinese to back his rogue state, and their payoff is the destruction of the most powerful force in the world that could oppose them.

[Caliman73]

26. Disagree.

Any attempt to separate from the US would be met with swift decisive action. There would be NO country in the world that would want to do business with a new CSA. Remember that the old CSA tried to court England and France and failed. England and France were the USA and China at the time, the largest two economies in the world with the most firepower.

The Chinese would not touch anything Trump has after he was defeated. Russia, maybe but their economy is smaller than California's.

[customerserviceguy]

35. What sort of "swift decisive action"?

A military attack? And if Trump started a CSA 2.0, you can bet that Israel would do business with that new entity, at least as long as Netanyahu is in control over there.

I would hope you're right, but Trump has made alliances with tinpot dictators around the world.

[Celerity]

33. CSA 2.0 possibility map (brown is up for grabs)

Obviously this is all batshit crazy speculation, but I think the states in red just might be crazy enough to try IF a shit tonne of things break the right (and disastrous) way. It is basically a lot of the CSA 1.0 plus some flippers. Virginia (ironically) would probably NOT join. Indiana cuts off Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota from the Eastern Union States. I think UT and AZ would NOT join, especially UT, as why would the Mormons enter into a RW fundie xian christofascist state that would eventually turn on them (and yes, I know they were very sympathetic to the South in the Civil War, and Britain desperately tried to get them (the Mormons, who hated the national government are at times were in open rebellion) to open up a 'Western Front' against the Union).



the CSA 1.0

[customerserviceguy]

36. Good analysis

as for the brown states, I think most of them would be severely tempted to join a CSA 2.0 especially Wyoming and Kansas. As for Utah, the Mormons there are pretty right wing, and might jump at the chance to have a nation where same-sex marriage and abortion are outlawed.

Also, looking at this as whole states may be the wrong approach. When West Virginia was broken off of Virginia during the midst of the Civil War, it was a split off of the northwestern counties. I could see that happening with parts of Virginia, Ohio, Illinois, and Idaho. Similarly, progressive areas of the red states would ally with the blue states in your diagram, but if they were able to split, it would leave pockets of the current USA surrounded by the CSA 2.0. Think Berlin if you want an idea what that looks like. Yes, different issues in both cases, but sometimes, there are political enclaves of one entity contained within another.

What the final result would look like is anybody's guess, but the basic premise of my post is that Trump would find it personally profitable to try something "batshit crazy". He's not just going to fade into the sunset. And if he is threatened with prison, he will surely try some sort of gambit to avoid that, and there are places in the USA as it is today that would be sympathetic to his plight, and receptive to his message.

[Celerity]

40. Good post. The one state I was thinking of saying would probably

split would be Illinois. Take away the Chicago area it is pretty red for the most part. I agree with your points.

[JHB]

20. I hope IMAX got paid for those projectors up front...

...'cause he never pays for anything once he has what he wants from it.

[elleng]

27. Yes, 'they' actually YOU (trumpers/repugs) will; are doing so now.

[saidsimplesimon]

29. Rumpy longs for the good old days of the last election.

His tribe reverting to a losing call of "hate Hillary Clinton" again. If this is the Republican message for 2020, Democrats should be able to win big. imo

[TheRealNorth]

31. You all seem confident the military wouldn't go with Trump

Trump is trying to put his sycophants into civilian military positions as we speak.

He definitely would get some in the military to go fascist.

[Turin_C3PO]

32. I have to believe that most of the leadership in the military loves the constitution

enough to not side with Trump if he attempted something unthinkable, like staying in office a third term.

[duforsure]

34. You always know what he's guilty of doing

Because he always accuses other of what he is doing to lessen the impact if he' s caught, and to demonize his opponents, but it's always what he's up to. The opposite of the truth.