How can the Democrats beat Trump, when they can't beat Hope Hicks?

[shockey80]

The Hicks hearing was pathetic. First of all, The Democrats should have known she would not answer any questions. It should have been an open hearing so the American people could see Hicks not answer questions. They could see how she acted and reacted to questions. She beat the Democrats making it a closed door hearing.

Then Hicks walked into the hearing, Told the Democrats, I will not answer any questions and there is not a dam thing you can do about. Who are the Democrats going to call next, not to answer questions behind closed doors? The Democrats do not look serious and they are looking weak. Hope Hicks kicked their asses.

Nadler, after the hearing, head down, stuttering, looking helpless and defeated.

If the Democrats do not change, if they don't start taking extreme ,drastic action against Trump. I believe Trump will eat them alive and win re-election.

Why hasn't Mueller been subpoenaed ? Mueller should have been subpoenaed the day after Barr lied about his report. What the fuck are they waiting for? It does not make sense. Even Schiff said time is getting short. Well, Fucking subpoena him.

The Democrats need to go to court in order to get people to testify. I do not believe they have done that yet in some cases. What are they waiting for? The Democrats are not slow walking this investigation, they are crawling this investigation.

Trump is in the process of over throwing our Government. our constitution and our rule of law. The Democrats are not ready to impeach, they are worried about the election. Fuck that. It is time for the democrats to get serious before it is too late.

I have been trying to remain positive. That ended today with the disgusting weak display I saw today,

I am proof the Democrats are starting to destroy the moral of their voters. I know I am not alone, there are many Democrats who feel the same way I do.

I agreed with Pelosi in building case against Trump. That ended today. Trump is blocking everything. You cannot build a case if everyone tells you to go fuck yourself and not answer questions.

If the democrats do not start taking drastic action soon. I believe Trump will win the election. He looks strong and the Democrats look weak. Trump will take full advantage of it.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

1. I probably will be bashed but at this point

I think trump has to beat himself may change my mind but now with lackluster democrats wanting to talk talk talk hmmm

[vlyons]

3. Lock her up!

Hold her in contempt and throw her in jail. And fine her big bucks for every day that she refuses to testify.

[shockey80]

8. The Democrats should have demanded she appear in a open hearing.

If she refused, hold her in contempt and lock her ass up. The Democrats are not taking things seriously. It is becoming obvious.

[Nay]

124. Yep. This. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. Damn right!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

129. So why is it that you think that Dems are "not taking things seriously?"

If indeed, as you say, they are, then why would they have that attitude?

What is at the root of it?

[Eliot Rosewater]

151. Everybody is frustrated. Dems know the DOJ wont do their job, wont enforce subpoenas, etc.

We are broken and I dont see how Dems can fix it short of taking back the WH

Russia is fixing the election as we speak

[Bonx]

24. We should start arresting and jailing people that don't comply

[Cattledog]

4. Closed door hearings show weakness.

[Sneederbunk]

5. Subpoena Mueller for public hearing now. Enough with the talk.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. Don't think it's ever going to happen... after Mueller's devastating report

guess the Traitor-in-Chief gets to walk.

Un-fucking-believable!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[shockey80]

9. The truth hurts sometimes.

[Hortensis]

12. I don't see truth behind your pain, rather

best guess would be inability to deal with a little emotional adversity, i.e., with waiting. It really would be little and entirely self inflicted. Because by far most people who care are tending to the rest of their lives until time comes to vote. Just good sense. And you can always be too.

[LiberalLovinLug]

18. The waiting game

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist and Nancy was waiting for the right time

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist and Nancy was waiting for the right time

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist and Nancy was waiting for the right time

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew and Nancy was waiting for the right time

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me and Nancy was was already in jail with the other Democrats

[Hortensis]

20. So stop doing nothing and go do something.

Don't fool yourself. Indulging in silly social media arguments isn't it. Nor is bashing the people who actually are working hard to save our nation from fascists and feckless fools. Quite the contrary.

You might look for an organized, focused group to join. Chances are excellent a migrant detention facility is near you. The people being held in them typically need a lot of help, and groups often form near them to do that.

[japple]

86. Yes. DO SOMETHING!!! Help register new voters. Join with others and raise awareness

of the injustice in your community. Speak out at local events and publicize the events in your community. Write letters to the editor. DO SOMETHING.

Or maybe just complain on a discussion forum...

[LiberalLovinLug]

96. I can't do what Nancy and the top echelon of the party can do.....tomorrow.

No US migrant detention facility near me either.
But whatever all of us have been doing is not seemingly enough to get through. Nancy and the few others holding this up have all the power. Protest marches and letters don't seem to work.

and she may just relent one day, if enough pressure is put on her. I'll be the first to applaud her. Maybe she actually is only waiting for even more percent of Americans to demand it, so she can use the old..."I didn't want to but I now have no choice.." Which could be used politically against any overly obnoxious RW banter about how eager Democrats were to impeach. Just the fact she goes into it so reluctantly would work in our favour in that regard.

Its a gamble either way. But IMO its long past the point of waiting for something more. There is so much to nail him on already, especially empowered with impeachment oversight. And waiting and waiting for that perfect percentile may be too late. He may start a war or something. And if her plan is to stall and stall until its "too late" before an election....it will be disastrous for us.

[treestar]

104. The Senate has power too

Are you in a red state? Campaign and get out the vote for the Democrat. It happened in Alabama.

[Nevermypresident]

112. Do I understand that you assume the majority of Democrats who are pro impeachment

including those of us on DU are doing nothing else but "indulging in social media arguments"? You would be dead wrong regarding myself. I find that remark and another remark you made on this thread condescending as hell.

Yes we are passionate about our point of view as I am sure you are. After all, this is a watershed moment in our democracy, we are in a clear and present danger.

Maybe some posters on this board need to remind themselves: Attack the post, not the poster.

GOY.

[pangaia]

140. +++

[Callmecrazy]

93. Jailed for what?

[LiberalLovinLug]

101. Yeah, that's probably the exact reaction when Nazi's came to the door

for the protagonist in that famous free verse poem I based that on.

Only they probably weren't laughing.

[Callmecrazy]

158. They're just words...

And if you refuse to speak of these topics around the water cooler, they don't spread.
All he's done is go on a hate-filled rant. I don't agree with anything the man said, but he took no overt action to do harm to anyone. I'll defend his right to be an asshole up until the time he raises his hand in anger.

Nazi's.
Ridiculous. Americans got guns and we're not afraid to use them.

[LiberalLovinLug]

162. Maybe you should do some historical research

On how the Nazis came to power. Years before they ever even held office. It doesn't start with concentration camps and militarism. That's the whole point of the poem that seems to have gone over your head.

Twiddling your thumbs, and laughing at anyone that is concerned about the slow escalation towards fascism, because he's only an asshole now, and its "just words" and you promise to wake up when the real action starts, is a failing strategy.

He's already normalized a lot of things we never thought possible. Casting a cloud of doubt on law enforcement, FBI and intelligence communities. Dismantled institutions and appointed heads of departments to destroy the very department they work in, like the EPA as an example. He's appointing Trump humping judges all over the land. He's constantly re-writing history and has his friends at Fox back his lies up. Repeating and repeating lies until half the country thinks its the truth

If you think its all a joke and can never happen because its not happening overnight, maybe you should talk to a few German Jewish survivors.

[Callmecrazy]

165. Oh, gimme a break...

It will reach a point where Trump's decisions adversely affect his base and then it's all over. That is, if the left hasn't shot them all.

I know I'm giving a simplistic answer, but I'm not at all worried about fascism taking over America. We simply won't stand for it. And I refuse to live in the fear of some nonexistent boogy-man.

Fear is the mind killer. Let it pass through you and only you will remain.

[pangaia]

27. HE/SHE IS TELLING THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

[jalan48]

7. I'm not seeing the big strategy thus far. Maybe the three dimensional chess is just too advanced

for the average citizen.

[pangaia]

29. There IS NO three dimensional chess.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. Yeah, not seeing it either... how long are we sposed to wait?!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[anarch]

120. 'til after the 2020 election, I guess?

LOL we're fucked

[ehrnst]

135. Because Pelosi isn't tweeting out her strategy?

[StarfishSaver]

137. Maybe she should just post it on DU

and that way only the in-the-know Democrats who need to be apprised of her every move so they can give her further instructions will see it and Trump won't get wind of her plans.

[ehrnst]

138. Clearly she OWES this to everyone.

As many who feel entitled to it here would agree...

She can't be trusted to do the right thing, and if certain people are UPSET, or WORRIED then she's not doing the right thing, and OWES THEM AN EXPLANATION RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE.



(see also upset white lady with a non-white customer service rep...)

[anarch]

164. hey, I'll be super-happy to be proved wrong

and I get that the reluctance is largely out of a realistic expectation that the GOP Senate would never convict in a million years and would make a mockery of the process, but I don't feel like this is a time for "strategy" or "politics." I think the threat to our Republic is much greater than anyone wants to admit, and with there being no good path forward Congress will just hem and haw and the Republicans will steamroll over everything, and nothing is going to be done because really nothing good can come of any action that can be taken at this point. Impeach? OK, Senate just says "LOL...as if; STFU libtards!" and here we still are. Don't impeach? Dems look weak as shit, Bonespurs' assertion that anything anyone says that portrays him in a bad light is a "witch hunt" and "fake news" is basically borne out by Congress not doing anything (b/c hey, if they'd had a case, they would have impeached, right?), his base is emboldened even further, probably he gets a fair percentage of the "independent"/"undecided" voters back, because they like the guy's style as he tells the whole world to go fuck itself, he gets reelected in 2020, etc.

I don't know. No matter what happens at this point, there's no fixing this country anyway. Not with the GOP left in any position of power.

[ehrnst]

134. Perhaps Pelosi isn't going to announce her strategy on twitter?

BTW - it doesn't look like Bernie is going to be taking a "corporatist candidate" like Warren for a VP....

[trueblue2007]

10. 1 agree you totally. She should get contempt of congress for not cooperation & not Answering

[Maraya1969]

11. I 100% agree with you. The Dems are looking weak and easy to fuck with.

This is not going to end until someone gets arrested and forced to do what the law says they should do.

Trump breaks the law with impunity. And he fucking laughs at the government that has let him do it all these years.

I watched a video of him telling Native American leaders to not follow the law and instead dig for oil on their land. His words were, "What are the going to do? Make you put it, (the oil) back into the ground?"

He has no respect for the law. And he keeps getting away with it!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. THIS!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[anarch]

117. Yes, yes they are...and moreover the whole situation just makes a mockery of the rule of law

Nobody can reasonably argue that there aren't plenty of reasons to impeach the bastard, but it won't happen because of the political reality that the GOP and their supporters are playing for keeps, while the Democrats hem and haw and worry about how they can deal with all of this without upsetting the apple cart.

[wiggs]

13. Sometimes I think TPTB on both sides give each other what each needs, without

upsetting the apple cart in the kabuki theater.

Each has a role, perhaps. Sometimes it looks less like opposite sides of the aisle than opposite sides of the same coin.

[wiggs]

15. As George Carlin said...it's a big club and we ain't in it.

[pangaia]

30. I don;t think that is what is going on now.

Republicans have dems by the balls and dems have no idea what to do about it.


This is a war, not some constitutional debate going on here..!!

[kacekwl]

71. What's strange is the Democratic party

should if they use the cards dealt to them should have trump and the republicans by the balls and should have ripped them off by this point.

[pangaia]

94. Tell me about it...

They also SOMEHOW need to get the truth out to the 'public' what is REALLY going on.. assuming some of them know...

99% of Americans have NO IDEA what is happening..

Isn't it not often thus...

[hurple]

14. As of this moment

The dems lose in 2020.

Still time to turn it around though

[Thekaspervote]

26. OH stop! This kind of comment is so not helpful

[pangaia]

31. What is helpful? Make believe?

[Turin_C3PO]

36. It's make believe to say we're not going to lose?

Every poll shows us kicking Trump’s ass in 2020. As long as Democrats show up and vote, he won’t win.

[durablend]

75. Just like we kicked his ass in 2016?

[Turin_C3PO]

82. So what do you suggest?

I refuse to give in to doom and gloom.

[pazzyanne]

90. Go, Turin_C3PO!

I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with you, fighting on. As a fairly new poster, I'm wondering what the majority of these posts are trying to do - hmmm.

[Crunchy Frog]

121. Express opinions? Some of which you don't agree with?

What do you think normally happens on discussion boards?

[pangaia]

141. LOLOL

Good one...

[pangaia]

139. OK CP30--

I like your name. :&gt ))

Do you know understand has happened?
The US of A is no longer a democracy, no longer a government of laws.

NOW what do we do?

[Turin_C3PO]

143. I get that their will be Russian and Republican cheating.

But all we can do is try and overcome it with massive voting.

I like your name too

[pangaia]

142. "Sup, Chinzie?

[LanternWaste]

126. Objective numbers and analysis supporting a premise are helpful.

Crying 'the sky is falling' is make-believe; and no... make-believe is not helpful at all.

[ehrnst]

131. You mean like believing that the Dems are "not taking this seriously?"

Or that Pelosi is 'scared?"

[bearsfootball516]

81. You realize that polls show many Dem candidates leading Trump by big margins in swing states, right?

[LanternWaste]

125. You'll support your premise that the sky is falling, yes?

Or is it simply another "I'm very concerned"-type t-shirt slogan?

Yes... of course you hold the right to believe that 2+2=5. But unless you provide evidence to support it, it's just another cry that the sky is falling. Again.

[modrepub]

16. They Brought A Lemon to A Knife Fight

[Ligyron]

25. Once again.

Sad and pathetic is exactly how the real leaders in the GOP along with the rest of America now see us.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. You ever get lemon juice in your eyes?! Holy crap that shit burns!!

Good luck seein' what you're stabbin' at!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[world wide wally]

17. News Flash for Dem representative:

They are all in contempt of Congress which is supposedly against the law and Constitution.
It's YOUR FUCKING JOB to do something about it.

[Mr. Evil]

19. The Dems are still playing the Russiapublicans game.

They demand documents by a certain date. They're ignored. They subpoena several individuals. They're ignored. They write really strong letters. They're laughed at and then ignored. This type of toothless oversight and investigations are not winning the hearts and minds of the thousands of people on the ground trying to maximize Democratic voter turnout in 2020. If they keep playing the game according to the Republican's rules there will be massive numbers of Democratic voters staying home in 2020. They are going to have to up the ante sooner rather than later and get pissed off and rude. The corruption is rampant even in broad daylight. That Democratic spine had better straighten and strengthen in the next few days or all will be lost.

[Turin_C3PO]

21. So Democrats are so pissed that Trump isn't being held accountable

that they’ll sit home, not vote, and ensure he’s never held accountable? Sorry, not buying that. And the few voters who do that aren’t reliably on our side anyway.

[kacekwl]

79. Oh I will vote and most here I believe will vote but

any out there who tend to not vote certainty won't be motivated to vote for democratic candidates who won't fight for them. They see trump and republicans raising the roof on any and all issues and see the Democratic party issuing strongly worded statements.

[LiberalLovinLug]

105. +1000

[Nevermypresident]

114. You aren't considering the nuances here that I have heard

from my large Resist group (FULL of life-long Dems), my Dem friends and family.

You can choose to believe me or not, but other reactions I've heard, especially in the last 2 weeks:

1-Will vote but will NOT donate towards any Dem candidate's campaign in the House that is anti-impeachment;

2-Will vote only for a pro-impeachment House Dem (I've heard party over country numerous times just last weekend);

3-Will consider voting for 3rd party candidate who is pro impeachment vs. a Dem that's anti-impeachment.


I'm telling you, the anger is palpable. Believe it or not, that's how the current mood among a majority of Dems is in my district.

To cast aside those Dems because they aren't reliably on our side is is worrisome to me. 1st of all, I KNOW these pp. They have consistently worked on campaigns and of course voted for decades. Secondly, I will take each and every "unreliable" Dem vote in this next election!

[TheRealNorth]

152. The problem is, if you are not fighting tooth and nail

You are giving up using obstruction as a campaign issue if the Democrats didn't do everything they could have done.

[Codeine]

109. That is utterly illogical. nt

[sheshe2]

22. Excerpts from your OP.

The Hicks hearing was pathetic.

Hopeie and Trumpie et all are the pathetic ones.

The Democrats do not look serious and they are looking weak. Hope Hicks kicked their asses.

.
Okay. What does a serious look, look like?

Nadler, after the hearing, head down, stuttering, looking helpless and defeated.

Fact is Nadler is not the best speaker in the world. However he knows his job and is doing it

If the Democrats do not change, if they don't start taking extreme ,drastic action against Trump. I believe Trump will eat them alive and win re-election.

The only way trump wins is if people sit on their asses and don't vote.

I have been trying to remain positive. That ended today with the disgusting weak display I saw today,

Dayum. When I was a kid we had a publication called the Weekly Reader. I am seeing it here. New title the Weakly Leader. Leader of the day who will be the weakest Dem of all!@DU!

I am proof the Democrats are starting to destroy the moral of their voters. I know I am not alone, there are many Democrats who feel the same way I do.

Not me. Sorry, not with you here.

The Democrats are not ready to impeach, they are worried about the election. Fuck that. It is time for the democrats to get serious before it is too late.

Yep. Not ready. Guess that they are building their case, a tight case and unless you are a member you frankly have no clue what they are doing.



I will sum it all up here. According to you the Democratic party is weak, disgustingly weak, stuttering and helpless.

PLEASE STOP BASHING DEMOCRATS,

Vote as if the planet depends on it. She does and we do as well.

[Thekaspervote]

28. Thank you a thousand times!!

[sheshe2]

33. You are so very welcome, Thekaspervote.

[Iliyah]

32. Hey she she!

Proving to the courts that in fact obstruction is occurring.

[sheshe2]

73. Yep.

[Andy823]

34. Excellent post she

I couldn't have said it better myself. It seems like the "doom and gloom" crowd is out in full force these days, and they just can't seem to understand that there is a case being put together that will show all the things trump has done, and will be able to convince the public.

Nancy knows what she is doing. I trust here a hell of a lot more than the doom and gloom crowd!

[sheshe2]

77. They can doom and gloom all they want, Andy.

I trust our Dem leaders.

Thank you.

[shockey80]

39. What I said was true. You say I am bashing Democrats.

I want them to fight harder than they are. I want them to win. They looked weak today. They have been saying they are going to do certain things for weeks , months and nothing happens. They give us no good reason why. That's a fact.

No tax returns. No Mueller. We keep hearing, soon. We are witnessing Obstruction of Justice on a scale never seen before. No one is being held accountable. We hear, they are building a case. For how long? A couple of months, years.

Time is short for impeachment. Many of us are tired of excuses and waiting. There is nothing wrong with that and there is nothing wrong with Democrats like myself expressing our opinion with how the Democrats are conducting themselves.

Some people may agree with everything the Democrats are doing. They may trust them completely. That's OK, I do not feel that way.

[TwilightZone]

65. "You say I am bashing Democrats."

Well, yes, that's pretty much your thing so it would be an accurate assessment.

[sheshe2]

68. Ding Ding Ding

[Nevermypresident]

115. Then ignore the "bashing".

Ironic.... it's so trump-like...you know...he hates when someone disagrees with him, always takes it personally.

[sheshe2]

92. Umhmm.

shockey80

39. What I said was true. You say I am bashing Democrats.

I did. Correct and you are bashing Democrats. Fact.

I want them to fight harder than they are. I want them to win. They looked weak today.

Explain how you want them to work harder. Do you wish them to defy the courts and break the rule of law? Do you wish us to do what the GOP does?

Fact. They were not weak and it upsets me that you say they are.

No tax returns. No Mueller. We keep hearing, soon. We are witnessing Obstruction of Justice on a scale never seen before. No one is being held accountable. We hear, they are building a case. For how long? A couple of months, years.

Patience grasshopper. Patience. See Watergate.

[pazzyanne]

98. "You say I'm bashing Democrats"

That is exactly what is happening, and it is not helping! When things get tough, the tough get going. Standing around moaning does not win a fight. Don't complain, go out and do something to make things better. Action makes things better for everyone.

[sheshe2]

103. Slow clap.

Thank you. pazzyanne.

[ehrnst]

136. "disgusting weak display I saw today, " You didn't even see or hear what they did.

But that doesn't stop you from going on and on about how they are not making you feel BETTER RIGHT NOW, immediately!!!!!

Taking the time to validate an individual's anxiety isn't part of their job, especially when one requires big MANLY KICKASS NOISE from Nadler for such.

Link to tweet

[StarfishSaver]

42. Wish I could nominate this for something

I don't know what. But something really good that comes with a shiny trophy, lots of money and a big button you can wear that says, "I"M AWESOME!"

[shockey80]

50. Of course, you loved that post.

My reply was better.

[StarfishSaver]

55. SheShe's post was award-worthy

Yours didn't make the cut.

Sorry. But keep trying. There's always next time.

[Cha]

122. No it wasn't. Not at all.

[ehrnst]

130. No, it was not better. (nt)

[sheshe2]

72. Thanks.

My prize will be getting that M***er F**KER and his ilk out of office. One way or another. A vote, A straight jacket or a gurney. Any and all work for me.

[classof56]

52. Well and truly said, sheshe--as always!

Thanks and blessings.

[struggle4progress]

70. +! "STOP BASHING DEMOCRATS. Vote as if the planet depends on it"

[treestar]

102. Thanks!

We are seeing the weakness of the system, and how it depended on decent people, and now it is dealing with indecent people, namely the Orange Idiot and his minions. Vote them out! That's the way it works. "Drastic action" is not specific enough.

[sheshe2]

107. Thanks, treestar.

Vote.
Protest.
Vote.
Vote.
Vote.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/womens-march-heads-washington-day-trumps-inauguration/story?id=44936042

[lordsummerisle]

108. Thanks sheshe2 n/t

[ehrnst]

132. As always - articulate, thoughtful and to the point. (nt)

[dlk]

23. House Democrats Have Always Known They Would End Up in Court

Trump is obstruction incorporated. Dems are in the process of creating the necessary record of obstruction to successfully make their case in court. All is not lost.

[SHRED]

38. Necessary record?

It's in the Report.

[dlk]

62. Successful Litigation has Detailed Rules and Requires Specific, Sometimes Tedious Steps be Taken

Din’t take my word for it. Talk to a seasoned prosecutor or civil litigator.

[SHRED]

67. That wasn't done by the Special Counsel?

[dlk]

111. Mueller Was Never Going to Take a Case to a Judge

House Democrats are preparing to take cases to a judge. It will require a judge to enforce the subpoenas and testimony against the bogus claims of absolute immunity.

[SHRED]

37. Like fighting a forest fire...

...with squirt guns.

[Iliyah]

41. Ya think Hicks would talk?

Hell no. Evidence, t-rump didn't trash her. Dems know this. Get these mother**kers on transcript.

[NRaleighLiberal]

44. Thank you I agree. Sick of being the keeping powder dry party.

Where is the fight?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Free beer tomorrow.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[saidsimplesimon]

57. Doing the best I can to

keep myself focused on the prize. If Democrats offer an alternative to a dictatorship, others will offer some "skin" in the game. If not, oh well, I tried.

[cwydro]

46. The "moral" of their voters?

Ok.

[shockey80]

60. Thanks, I wish I could nominate you for something. Lol.

[ehrnst]

133. Yeah, the title of the OP is so "nice."

[Caliman73]

144. There is a difference between emoting and bashing and it is in how you structure your language.

An example. Let's say I have 5 things to do and I ask my wife to help me do 2 of them that are very important. She says yes, but does not help me in a timely manner.

Emoting: "I am really upset right now and scared. I asked you to help me and tried to convey how important it was to get these things done in a timely manner. I thought you understood what I needed. I feel really disappointed!"

Bashing: "You are a really bad partner. I trusted you and you never help me! You are the worst!"

Both statements convey the same frustration and fear, but which would you rather hear?

[theaocp]

154. Thanks. Out of the mire of this thread,

I was snagged by your words. Have a good one.

[Caliman73]

156. Yes, it is a discussion board.

You posted, saying it was fine for the OP to "emote". Then I responded to your post stating that while it is fine to emote, there is a distinction between "emoting" and "bashing" and my opinion as to why the op strayed into the "bashing" arena.

People have different points of view and definitions, which is what people are discussing. You have every right to post what you did, and I have a right to respond with a different view. It is a discussion board.

I am not sure what you are getting at regarding "things being bad..." and "someone's last post". I agree, there is a lot of anxiety and a great deal of fear and anger. People certainly need to take care of themselves and as Jon Fugelsang has said, "Maybe unplug and do something different for a bit, read a book, see a movie, or listen to music" Take a walk or do something not related to politics if you are getting burned out.

You can also certainly state your opinion about the performance of politicians, however, when the TOS says that you should not bash Democrats and you say things like, "....was pathetic" and characterize the Democratic chair of a committee as having a "disgusting, weak performance..." then some people will interpret that as bashing. Like I said in my response, you can certainly express anger and frustration by identifying those emotions and what caused the reaction, or you can lash out at the people.

The last part of your post about the benefit of a TV or channel package, I am not following at all. I do have a TV, but I do not have any kind of television package other than what I find on the internet. I try to be informed but am by no means up to the minute. Not sure what that had to do with the OP or subsequent responses.

[yonder]

145. +1.

[Nevermypresident]

166. +1000

Stay the course.

[Hoyt]

49. Mueller is not going to help. We'd be better off claiming he wouldn't cooperate.

It’s just like Cohen’s last hearing. He didn’t say anything we did not already know.

All he offered was trump is a racist, mean and hateful, a cad, etc. We know that, doesn’t help with Impeachment because too many in this country are against it.

It’s disappointing and disgusting, but that’s the way it is.

[Rebl2]

54. Was she

actually subpoenaed and/or put under oath for this hearing? If not, why not? Maybe she would have been more willing to answer questions if put under oath. It should never have been a closed door hearing either. As far as I’m concerned, she should be in jail with the rest of these Putin puppets.

[StarfishSaver]

56. She was under subpoena and under oath.

[paleotn]

59. What should they do?

Throw her ass in The Tower? Rendition McGahn to some rat infested Romanian prison for torture? Drag Barr into the Star Chamber and threaten him with beheading? Fund a private army and invade? Or impeach now, have McTurtle's Senate swat it away and then shithead crows till the cows come home that he's been exonerated.

Let contempt of Congress move through the courts and continue to pound away with investigation after investigation. Today may seem like a tactical defeat, but it is not one strategically. Hicks has no leg to stand on in the courts with exec privilage. She's a private citizen and doesn't have that option. This also adds additional strength to the contempt cases against Barr and McGahn as additional examples of the wall of silence edict from the White House. That's really the Dem's only option at this point. Patience is not one of my virtues either, but at this point we have no choice. Impeachment may sound good right now. It certainly would make us all feel good, but strategically it's a mistake with respect to timing. We want this front and center during the upcoming elections. I want rethug senator after rethug senator to have to run on this shit in the fall of 2020. Unless the wall of silence breaks, something comes out so evil that the Senate rethugs revolt on McConnell for fear of losing their jobs or shithead throws a blood clot, that's about all we've got. If that doesn't work, then the Republic is no more, we split and let the red states go off and be banana republics. To be honest, the later doesn't sound all that bad to me. I guess I'm just tired of all this shit.

[mcar]

63. I stand with Ted Lieu

Link to tweet

?s=19

One reason @HouseJudiciary did this interview of Hope Hicks?

(1) To put on the record the absurdity of the immunity claim so that we win in court. Ruling would then apply to other witnesses.

(2) To make the judge laugh. But that's a function of (1) above.#wednesdaymotivation

Link to tweet

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Manu Raju
✔
@mkraju
Dems are trying to show how sweeping the immunity claims are, asking factual questions, such as where her desk in WH was and whether there was war in Mideast during her time there. She hasn’t answered - but WH staff and committee staff discussing what she may be able to answer

Link to tweet

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[Cha]

123. Thanks for Ted Lieu, mcar!

He's in the middle of it... he knows what he's talking about.

[Freethinker65]

66. Yea, seems all that happened was the elevation of Hope's makeup and hairstyle

No one in Trump's WH is going to be disloyal.

[kacekwl]

69. I agree wholeheartedly with every point you make.

Sad to say it.

[njhoneybadger]

74. Maybe we expect to much of any one person

The people in Hong Kong pushed backed by holding massive protests and it worked. We need to go back to protesting. That was the foundation for our blue wave. Fuck McTurtle, intimidate these lawless bastards

[zentrum]

76. Have been demoralized

.....again and again by the weakness on our side.


Wish AOC had been in charge.

[CaptainTruth]

78. Huh? "Defeating" Hope Hicks (whatever that means) is completely different from defeating Trump.

Anyone who "gives up" now has just decided that their own personal emotional satisfaction is more important than what is best for our country. I will never be that self-centered.

[pazzyanne]

88. Amen and well stated!

[underpants]

80. Oh please

She simply didn't talk and Trump clearly obstructed Justice.

[Ferrets are Cool]

83. Drastic action, Decisive action is what is NEEDED

NOW

[Autumn]

84. That was rather disgusting she's as bad as Barr and they skate. Every fricking time.

[Codeine]

85. "I have been trying to remain positive."

Who the actual fuck are you trying to fool? You’re an endless barrage of negativity.

[Adsos Letter]

106. +1000

Indeed.

[sheshe2]

110. Biting my tongue here.

Oh hell..

[betsuni]

113. Heh. True.

[SidDithers]

127. Yup...nt

Sid

[Beartracks]

87. You can't build a case when you can't obtain the bricks. n/t

[Callmecrazy]

89. You guys just can't see it...

This is all procedural bullshit. They don't care if she didn't answer. It's just another nail in the impeachment coffin.
Now, I'm saying Trump will be impeached eventually. It has to be done.
When the Article of Impeachment goes before the Senate, the vote on his guilt will be watched very closely. Unlike Bill Clinton's trial, we have a case. And those that vote against a strong case will be unemployed when their term renewal comes around.

If the man has nothing to hide, why does he tell everybody to shut up? He's hiding something. If I knew I was innocent, I'd let 'em do a colonoscopy on me. Know what they'd find? SHIT.

[Irishxs]

95. Democratic committees sound like a whole lot of "Woe is me. What can we do now?".

Impeachment hearings,
Impeachment hearings,
Impeachment hearings.......

Rinse and repeat.

[JustAnotherGen]

97. She wouldn't have shown up

For a public hearing

[StarfishSaver]

100. And doing it this way, they got what they needed.

[Ahpook]

99. It is astounding to me as well

I am to the point we are getting played on all sides. This shit just doesn't make sense.

If Obama or anyone else blew a snot rocket all hell would break loose. We have obvious treasonous behavior from this WH and hardly a motherfucking whimper is heard.

Something is very, very wrong

[Nevermypresident]

116. Oh, but you know..."He's just not worth it".

[sarabelle]

118. Patience, grasshopper.

[Vegas Roller]

119. Two different processes

Democrats in congress are working under a legal framework and its constraints.

The election has only political constraints.

[BlueTsunami2018]

128. If it was an open hearing, she wouldn't have showed up.

Egg on our faces either way.

The Republicans are just better at this stuff. They alley fight with knives and just don’t give a fuck. We dither and hem and haw and shout “no fair”. And who gets their agenda passed despite most of America being against it? The bad guys.

It’s becoming pathetic.

[Progressive dog]

148. Yup, it's the Democrats' fault

that a lawless President is in office and is using his office to obstruct justice.
Trump was there for two years before the Democrats had control of the house of representatives. The Thugs still have control of the Senate and they continue to stand with Trump.
The courts move slowly, but the Congress has no rational choice but to enforce testimony through those courts. That is what they are doing.

[Gothmog]

150. Hope Hicks' latest obstruction just gave Democrats a major weapon:

Link to tweet

“Perhaps surprisingly, there’s no controlling legal authority defining the breadth of what aides can testify to,” Carlson wrote. “With all its limitations — in private, surrounded by lawyers, with a dry transcript to come days later — Hicks’ appearance gave Democrats, with no time to waste, a promising case to take to court to challenge the White House’s definition of immunity.”

Hicks refused to answer even the most basic questions about her service in the White House, which ended early last year, and House Democrats could use that to challenge her claims to immunity.

“Even under the broadest interpretation, immunity doesn’t extend to where you sit at work,” Carlson wrote. “(House Judiciary chairman Jerry) Nadler predicted after Hicks left, ‘We will destroy them in court.'”

[sheshe2]

161. There it is in a nutshell.

Thanks, Gothmog.

[Martin Eden]

153. To what office has Hope Hicks been elected?

And who was the Democrat she ran against?


Just asking.

[MadDAsHell]

159. Multiple threads claimed she was gonna "sing." Knew they were clickbait/recc fishing. nt

[MadDAsHell]

160. Problem is, there haven't been actual consequences for lying or refusing to talk to Congress, like..

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ever. The idea that testifying or even being interviewed by Congress is legally meaningful is a joke, and that joke really transcends parties. Whether Bill Clinton, Lois Lerner, Hope Hicks, Brett Kavanaugh, etc., there really are no consequences for lying to, or refusing to talk to, Congress.

Part of that is probably because most Congressional questioning has very little to do with trying to get to the truth of anything, and everything to do with Presidential hopefuls trying to get themselves screen time.

it's not a coincidence that the most televised individuals during Congressional questioning almost inevitably end up being Presidential candidates in the very near future.

[StarfishSaver]

163. But when they have closed hearings where people can't grandstand for the public

they're attacked for not televising the hearing.

People may complain about the grandstanding, but who do they think the grandstanding's being done for? The people on the grandstands who demand a show.