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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou know what is demoralizing?
Watching and hearing supposed allies criticize democrats as weak for not going full on impeachment.
Want 4 more years of trump?? Keep that up.
I can handle pro impeachment arguments. In fact it is hard to disagree yet it is a judgment. No one really knows the answers to all the what ifs.
But for the love of the goddesses please stop attacking our own and focus on the orange Buffoon. Not your fellow democrat.
Really it isnt that hard.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,481 posts)And focusing his attention on Trump. Trump fears Joe Biden more than he fears the other candidates. Joe is a seasoned veteran and knows the games of D.C. Joe will go toe to toe, punch for punch, a d Trump is seeing that he is behind in states he won and can lose.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)It is crazy.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,481 posts)And I would not want to be her because I am with the Members who want to impeach the Orange Pile of Shit.
samnsara
(17,570 posts)..i love it when he says: Thats just malarkey!..and laughs then he gets into his KILL mode and starts hollering about whats wrong with trump.. NO one does it better than Joe!..everyone elses' outraged seems manufactured (except Liz and thats why she will be Veep...and Prez in 2-4 yrs!)....
Paladin
(28,202 posts)Thanks for asking.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Meanwhile, infrastructure isn't getting any better/younger?
BeyondGeography
(39,278 posts)Politicians have thick skins. Their supporters shouldnt take criticism so much harder than they do, especially since there is such a thing (horrors) as valid criticism.
kozar
(2,029 posts)It is what happened with Bernie/Hillary last general. No offense to Bernie or Hillary supporters!. But if you only feel good because "your"candidate won captain of the team, (ie primaries) and you leave the team if they don't. Then you were never part of a team,were you?
Koz
rainin
(3,010 posts)I've heard the Clinton arguments and I don't buy it. My impressions of the mood during the impeachment of Bill Clinton was that the public could plainly see that Republicans were using the system to go after a political rival. They did the same thing in trying to smear Hillary with Benghazzi hearings. They wanted to hurt the Clinton brand. It didn't work with Bill Clinton and it didn't work with Hillary Clinton (remember she got more votes?)
Democrats are being asked to overlook actual criminal activity at this point in history. For anyone to compare it to a blow job with an adult intern is preposterous. This is a different moment and it isn't looking like democrats are up to it.
Baltimike
(4,125 posts)Right and wrong doesn't MATTER to these MAGAts..."stickin' it to the libs" does.
Lars39
(26,093 posts)Ligyron
(7,592 posts)Because "hearings" can be way more easily ignored.
Of course the Senate will probably not vote to convict so why let it get that far? Even if they hand it off to the Senate, make those traitors wear their "no" votes like an albatross and drag them out of public life.
If that doesn't happen, then we don't have a country anymore.
Baltimike
(4,125 posts)a remedy for the conservative press
Lars39
(26,093 posts)rainin
(3,010 posts)for acquitting him. Right now, we are being judged for waging "senseless and partisan attacks against an innocent president" (my quotes).
We must justify the Mueller investigation by having non stop hearings open to the public so everyone can see how guilty he is.
They are already ramping up the argument that we have spent 40 million on a 'partisan democrat investigation'. I literally heard this yesterday in the judiciary committee hearing on the Mueller investigation. $40 million. I'm not kidding. A republican said that.
Baltimike
(4,125 posts)and they OWN the media...like all of it.
rainin
(3,010 posts)Rachel started talking about Russia and her viewership went up. Why? Because dems are starving for the truth. And, there are more of us than there are of them. We just need to be loud and proud, to borrow a phrase.
Baltimike
(4,125 posts)Rachel ratings were always on the upswing.
rainin
(3,010 posts)Rachel's rating go up......why? Because people want the truth, maybe?
Thank you
People are uninformed on what's going on with Trump. Opening up an Impeachment inquiry, having people testify in public, etc. would educate people to what's going on. That would do more harm to Trump during the elections imo.
NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)ihaveaquestion
(2,419 posts)At a very basic level, inaction due to the fear of something has the appearance of weakness. Standing up to fear and taking bold action, whether successful or not, denotes strength.
The majority of Americans want strong leadership and will not vote for weakness.
rainin
(3,010 posts)and no one remembers it, much less makes it a voting issue. I'm left wondering if dems will fold here. Hope Hicks should go to jail.
Caliman73
(11,692 posts)The OP is saying that the circular firing squad, bashing party leaders and others will lead to 4 more years of Trump.
We can have discussions and debates about the issue without constantly stating how "weak" or "ridiculous" the Democrats or Pelosi, or whoever else is.
I think that the case is already there for impeachment and I am impatient with the delay, but I am not going to do Trump and the GOP's work for them and bash Nancy Pelosi. I will call her office and state my opinion, and I will contact my representative and tell him I endorse impeachment.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)GET WITH THE PROGRAM
Baltimike
(4,125 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)BillyBobBrilliant
(805 posts)a hiatus from all of the hubbub. I am amazed at the obsessing. Heck, the field is so cluttered, and I am too old and experienced to tolerate the back-biting and in-fighting that is going on. What is with the ubiquitous sense of urgency? I attribute it to 'puppy breathed' newly aware voters.
I voted in my first election in 1972, (for McGovern) and I have seen a lot, including disappointing results.
So, this being the Summer Solstice, I have decided to take the next 3 months to rediscover my center, enjoy the season, and recharge.
I feel assured, that much of this will still be here in September, when the equinox occurs.
Hopefully many of the ill-advised contenders will fall by the wayside, and the choice will be clearer then.
This tome may seem harsh to some, but I do suggest taking a step back, a deep breath, and contemplating what is important.
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)We shouldn't be eating our own right now.
I'm a bit of an extremist after the past few years of MF45 -
Good or Bad
Righteous or evil
Patriot or Traitor
etc. etc.
Pelosi is the first one in each of those 'American' Observations.
dlk
(11,432 posts)Their feet need to be held to the fire, even if they do nothing. Trump is their guy.
yuiyoshida
(41,759 posts)In 2016 it was Russian Trolls that separated us, framing the fight. Not this time hopefully.
onecaliberal
(32,478 posts)So much this.
calimary
(80,693 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Just curious what you are offended by.
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rainin
(3,010 posts)The only way trump wins is if we let him steal it...again.
CaptainTruth
(6,546 posts)Some folks are motivated to get on Twitter & bash Dems endlessly, yet they apparently can't be bothered to spend an hour learning about how the process works so they can understand why Dems are doing what they're doing & how it leads to the results they want.
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)I completely agree.
mcar
(42,208 posts)It's the question we, and the media, should be asking.
raccoon
(31,089 posts)We need to hear more about that.
hunter
(38,264 posts)Me and Bernie Sanders are not brothers in politics.
I am a practical California Democrat, maybe in spite of my personal radical political opinions.
It's time for the Republican Party to die. Let's make it happen.