I'm sure I just disowned my family.

[Goodheart]

My facebook post just now:

This photo... YOU MUST SEE IT because it says so much... has me in tears.

These are HUMANS who try to come here... to avoid violence... to secure better lives for their children... who risk what little they have in desperation.

His other lies and crimes and policies that harm the environment and future in order to favor fatcats over hardworking people... those pale in comparison to his crimes against humanity. If you haven't seen those and admitted them then you're either f*ing blind or evil, yourself... no two ways about it.

So, this is the last straw for me. This is my Rubicon. This is my breaking point. This is NOT politics as usual. This is a rancid, putrid, perverted evil across America. So here's my advisory to my friends, family, whomever...

You vote for trump again and I will have nothing to do with you. It's over. I've had enough of your ignorance, excuse-making, stupidity, selfishness, racism, and lack of morality. I'm making a stand for HUMAN BEINGS, and sometimes that comes at a price. I'm willing to pay it.

[mr_lebowski]

1. Really glad I don't have to worry about anyone in my family voting for Trump

Closer than a half-cousin once-removed ... and I bet he's the only one of his 2 voting-age siblings that'll do so ... oh, and his dad, my half-cousin ... might, not sure.

Good on you, BTW. We all gotta draw the line somewhere.

[walkingman]

53. Your very lucky!!!

[olegramps]

57. My family is predominately Catholic and some vote just on the abortion issue.

This is especially true about the older folks, among which I am numbered. I wouldn't vote for any of today's Republicans and consider them to be sworn enemies of the Jesus that was I taught about by the nuns. It is difficult to see how these hateful Republicans can be supported by those who say they are following the teaching of Jesus. I will not argue with those in my family who insist on voting for Trump but only respond with the actual teachings of those they claim to follow. What has always troubled me in regard to the abortion is how much men have say about it. I have a big problem with men who could don't know a damn thing about what it is like to be pregnant and desperate to pass judgment. My heart goes out to any women faced with an unwanted pregnancy and the decision of what is facing her. Plus I have never in my life seen any real concerted effort by those who have so damn much to say step forward and offer to feed, cloth and educate the child.

[lpbk2713]

2. You did the right thing.

You should now have a clearer conscience than they have.

[happyaccident]

3. My father kicked me out the house, disowned me and didn't talk to me the last 20 years of his life

Because I didn't want to be a racist misogynist alpha male conservative asshole like he was.Best thing that ever happened to me. We don't choose our family. Good for you for having principles in this world.

[DemocracyMouse]

12. Wow... that happened to you? What incredible strength you have...

... to transcend your roots like that. You are remarkable for formulating a world on your own terms. Sort of like you went through the debates of the enlightenment and came out on the right side of history. Touché.

[happyaccident]

18. It's so true about anger, you hurt yourself and those you love, not the object of the anger

Also, I worked and lived with anarchist punks and rainbow family hippies for 10 years. They taught me about community and mutual aid. What else matters? Is your avatar Medusa the Beautiful, goddess of the Berber people of northern Africa, Bringer of health and fertility, whose spirit animals include snakes and bees, a true gardener friend? Just asking, we know each other from back in the day.

[DemocracyMouse]

35. No Medusas in my avatar aviary! :-)

I'm glad the punks and hippies took you in though. The counter culture will live forever!

[UpInArms]

24. You are welcome in this family

[SCantiGOP]

4. Several trumpers in my family

I engage and persuade. Would never threaten to disown, but to each his own I guess.

[Goodheart]

5. I've had enough.

Like I said, this is not politics as usual.

[pazzyanne]

15. I have several trumpers in my family.

I mostly avoid political discussions at family events, but everyone knows I and my youngest brother are "librals". A year ago my sister confronted me with " we no longer share mutual morals and therefore I can no longer include you in our family events." She is, by the way, also an evangelical christian, who ignores the teaching of Christ. There is a sickness that goes along with Trumpism.

[Cha]

40. Wow, pazzyanne! How did/do you

feel about what your sister said?

I'm sorry you have to go through that with your family. Thank Goodness you have your brother!

[pazzyanne]

42. It hurt, but it wasn't a big surprise.

I struggled at first, but my baby brother is the one who sent here to DU to regain my sanity. I will forever be thankful for the people here. Thank you for asking, Cha.

[Cha]

44. Wow.. that's an interesting path

to get to DU.. so glad you found us! And, Thank your baby brother

[pazzyanne]

49. Will do, and do so very often. He is 24 years younger than I am

and is my biggest support, even though he lives 1/2 a continent away. We keep in touch via the internet on almost a daily basis.

[Cha]

50. Awww.. that's so wonderful!

[Nevermypresident]

6. Sometimes engaging isn't enough. The last time I tried, I was asked to leave

my cousin's home. We were all expressing our opinion, but the fact that I had anything negative to say about our liar-in-chief was "crossing the line".

I'm done...

[Wounded Bear]

7. My nephew voted for Trump...

Don't worry, we're a blue state so it didn't much matter overall.

He's come around, though. My brother and I have opened his eyes a bit. I don't associate much with many Repubs, and not at all with the really vocal, insistant types, same with Christians.

Oh, and my nephew is also a gun lover. We don't talk about that much.

[rwsanders]

8. If you have religious folks in the family who are ignoring this point them to the book of Jeremiah

The US is doomed if we don't do a turn around on this one.

[OMGWTF]

14. Matthew 25

[FiveGoodMen]

19. You'd think THAT one would give them pause, wouldn't you?

I think they claim it's a parable, though, so Jesus didn't really mean what he was saying...

[rwsanders]

32. That's why I prefer Jeremiah

Israel is to be destroyed for exploiting the poor and immigrants

[theaocp]

9. Always remember this is what we're supposed to be

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, with conquering limbs astride from land to land
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles.
From her beacon-hand glows world-wide welcome
Her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame, "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she with silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[pazzyanne]

16. Tears in my eyes every time I hear this now.

I use to take pride in the fact that America stood as a refuge for people needing help.

[lunatica]

20. Thank you. It's so sad to hear those words now

With hard work on our part they’ll come to represent us again.

[Volaris]

21. That should be our pledge of alligence, honestly

[jalan48]

10. Sadly many Americans don't care or think its a good thing because it will

discourage people from trying to get into the country.

[erronis]

25. Yup - they got theirs, now stop anybody else (except ones that are from their tribe)

It's really too bad the original human residents of the Americas couldn't repulse those foreigners back in the 1500-2000's. Not that life was totally idyllic back then - it just didn't have all those white Europeans thinking they are better than anyone else.

[jalan48]

27. I agree. Our country is slipping into fascism.

Many Americans have a heightened sense of privilege and will accept a fascist state if it means they can keep their privileges.

[Farmer-Rick]

11. I have 5 brothers and sisters 2 out of 6 of us are Trump lovers

My oldest brother Trump lover just never talks about it...he never talks about anything. And my little sister is a conservative Jew. She lives in never, never land and ignores all the antisemitism and only pays attention to the Israeli support. We rarely talk. Funny how those 2 are the richest of all of us. Money makes you heartless and cruel.

The other 3 hate Trump as much as I do and we 4 are always talking to each other.

My big sister sent me this image this morning, she said it made her cry. I understand.

[pangaia]

13. Put this in the form of a letter to the editor.

That way you may, if it is published, reach some locals who need to hear this.

[Cary]

17. It's a cross that I guess we must bear?

"Conservatives" demand legitimacy. They will get none from me. If they have a problem with that then they have a problem.

[BlueIdaho]

22. Tough Love

You are not alone Goodheart.

[lunatica]

23. Hey! The last time I heard from my born again Christian sister

Was a dozen years ago after we had a disagreement about the LGBT community over the phone. She told me she had to hate gays because god demands it and he is very jealous. I asked her how could god hate his creation, which he made out of his own being.

She was so judgmental and so angry at me that she wrote me a three page letter telling me I was going to hell and went deep into exactly what punishments I would receive for eternity. Three pages worth! All I could think was that she sure enjoyed imagining my punishment in order to dive into such detail with what seemed like complete abandon.

We haven’t talked since, even when I took care of my mother who had Dementia for 5 years. She wrote my mother letters, not understanding that my mother had lost the ability to read or understand. My sister tried to claim that I wouldn’t let her see her mother even as she demanded that my mother leave her certain belongings in her will.

Believe me, you’re better off without such people.

[samnsara]

26. i blocked most my family ages ago...

[no_hypocrisy]

28. Sometimes doing the right thing is not a choice. It's an imperative.

My brother converted to Islam and our family was giving him grief on his wedding day.

They sat in the very last row of the seats at the ceremony. I sat alone in the very front row.

My family, esp. my father, was demanding that I make a choice: them or him. But it wasn't a choice. I knew the right thing to do.

[Goodheart]

33. We don't talk politics nor religion when we get together.

But I'm tired of holding my tongue. Tired of the disgust that seethes within me. Better to just cut the chord. I see that as healthier for myself.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

29. This is exactly what Republicans want to happen - divide and conquer, but...

it's not your doing at all. So-called conservatives did it to us and they must own the eventual blowback.

Their intention since Nixon has been to build a tightly closed bubble of right-wing thinkers and supporters, all thoroughly brainwashed by Rush and Rupert. No speaking or exchanging thoughts outside the bubble and everyone outside is the enemy. That's exactly how those I know treat me, as if I'm an alien. Most are articulate and well-versed in the dogma, but they are also aloof and arrogant although quite ignorant of the world around them.

After observing that process for around 50 years, it's my firm conviction that their bubble will eventually collapse from the shear weight of their bullshit, lies, and propensity for criminality. We're seeing cracks in it already.

But alas, it has quite a ways to go yet - mainly because they have access to insane amounts of money....

Thanks for sharing!.......

[hunter]

30. Nobody in my family would let politics get in the way of religious warfare.

It's our favorite sport.

When I was a kid Christmas was like a miniature version of the Irish troubles, with a bit of home-grown U.S.A. religion, specifically Mormon and Jehovahs Witness, to spice things up.

These days conflicts are something even bigger, including a large atheist faction, most especially atheists vs. those who talk to God and God replies.

Nobody would ever disown family members they were at religious war with.

Muddy bloody religious rugby is just too damned fun.

It's possible the only thing any of my family truly despises is anti-intellectualism.

Worse shit comes down, we're all going the the re-education camps, more conservative Christians and left wing radical atheists alike.

My dissident ancestors didn't come to North America for any opportunity. As European political and religious dissidents they simply didn't want to be killed. The ships they came over on landed and they ran into a wilderness largely left vacant by guns, germs, and steel.

[RandiFan1290]

31. I just can't associate with racists

Some seem to find it easy to ignore but there is no way.

[LuckyLib]

34. I thank the universe every day that no family or friends

are Trumpsters. Even my 96 year old mother is a rabid Trump hater. I don’t know anyone who voted for him. It’s rarified atmosphere, and I feel for folks who suffer Trump love up close and personal.

[AllyCat]

36. Think I lost a family member this week.

She voted for 45. Her daughter is dating a delightful young man. He went to get a drivers license and found out he is not a citizen. Turns out, his mother brought him here as a baby. His family and my Trump-voting family member are so upset, worried. But to my family, “this is different”. I let her have it.

[Karadeniz]

37. Dear Goodheart,

You made a choice long ago, exemplified by the DU handle you chose. You chose to identify with what some call heart, but I call soul. In this shallow, materialistic society of ours, the good heart is always a tiny voice compared to the screamings of the peanut-hearts. I'm not a contemporary Christian, but this is, I think, what the warning about family members turning against one another is about. The good heart is there to be the true guide, rejecting false values. Sometimes, I guess, rejecting those who spout falseness happens. If things settle down, perhaps a pact of silence on certain topics? But you've seen their petty hearts and that can't be undone.

[world wide wally]

38. NOBODY since the Civil War has turned us against each other the way Trump has.

THIS ALONE should give people pause to vote for this hateful buffoon again. At least PRETEND you have a brain, Trump Humpers.

[NewEnglandAutumn]

39. I was disowned

and truthfully said some VERY strong words in return. I have nothing in common with them and they have spread plenty of lies as a result. It has been oner 6 years and it is not easy. It is just me my spouse and our kids. His family loves across the country from us and his illness has left us socially isolated. We are very much on our own.

Yet I still would not continue to ignore their political /moral stances. Wrong is wrong and the poison was too horrible to ignore any longer.

[paleotn]

41. You're in good company.

Many of us have been impacted in similar ways.

[oldsoftie]

43. My family will always be my family regardless of their stupidity. But to each their own.

[dustyscamp]

54. I like the way you think

[Sienna86]

45. You're joining the club

Friends and family who support Trump exist no longer in my world.

[Ligyron]

46. You're right, they're wrong.

It really IS that simple and history will prove you (us) right!

[sandensea]

47. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope it's nothing lasting.

One tries not to let political differences with family members affect the relationship - if for no other reason sometimes that it's exactly what one's adversaries would like.

There are extreme cases, of course, in which the other person cuts themselves off from you, without your being able to assuage them.

And if someone's that crazy, you're better off without them.

[JPPaverage]

48. Right on!

[Progressive Jones]

51. There are Trump voters in my extended family. They were fooled, and acknowledge it.

I guess that's some sort of silver lining. Among my "in-laws" there are Trump voters. They are people who vote Republican reflexively.
It's all about their belief that the GOP is "good for business", and nothing more. Other than that, they don't have a political
bone in their bodies. They are not whacko right wingers, or crazy fundies.

All that being said, they are appalled at what has come to pass since Trump was (s)elected.
Not one of them supports this regime. Some of them have vocally shown support impeachment.
None of them will be voting for Trump in 2020, and a couple of them claim to be flipping to Dems (that remains to be seen...LOL).

[Wawannabe]

52. Stand on it!

Family smamily!
If they vote for tRump again. Dump em!

[orleans]

55. good post

(if that photo you refer to is a picture of a father and his daughter after they died...i've been doing my best NOT to see it. once i see something i can't unsee it.)

[The Wizard]

56. Relative or not

If you're with Trump you're anti American, anti humanity, you have crossed the Rubicon and gone to the dark side. I'm getting long in the tooth, and my time for suffering fools has passed. When I cut people out of my life it's forever. You can be a bigot or be my friend, but you're not going to be both.
Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything .
I stand for a Constitution grounded in The Enlightenment and the human race.
As for Trump supporting relatives, I tell them to get their DNA tested.

[bdamomma]

58. K&R