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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSalma Hayek gets knighted??? For WHAT? For marrying a mega-rich pal of right wingnut Sarkozy?
Clearly, knighting in France has just become one huge joke. With so many remarkable women in France, and this actress who has done nearly NOTHING gets KNIGHTED? No wonder the French are angry.
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Actress Salma Hayek gains French knighthood
Film actress Salma Hayek has been awarded one of France's top honours by President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Mexican-born Hayek will become a Knight of the Legion d'Honneur at a ceremony in Paris later this year.
The 45-year-old's businessman husband, Francois-Henri Pinault, is an associate of Mr Sarkozy, while his father was also honoured in the New Year's list.
Some readers of French newspaper L'Express have said honours should be awarded to worthier recipients.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16412686
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)You need not have responded, you know.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Is there an objective and peer-reviewed list of things we're supposed to care about and things we're not supposed to care about?
Or are you simply projecting your own lack of mindfulness of a topic onto others?
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)Salma Hayek is not a stupid woman. From what I've read about and listened to, she's not an empty-brained airhead with poor thinking skills. Whether or not she actually DID anything worthy of being made a member of the Legion of Honor is another matter altogether.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Not an ordinary, non-stupid actress who has done a little charity work, but happened to marry a pal of Sarkozy.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)I'm outraged!
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Seriously. That's what he said on being told that the mayor of Dublin was Jewish.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)accomplished a great deal for humanity.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)or think she deserved to be knighted, but she's not done "nothing in life" either. She's an advocate against domestic violence, has been a spokesperson for vaccine campaigns and for AIDS research. (Among other charitable endeavors.) Just saying.
http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/116-salma-hayek
She's probably been a bigger advocate for international causes than you'd realize.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Salma Hayek??? Give me a break!
Iggo
(47,552 posts)A country not my own gave an honorary title of nobility to an actor. I'm okay with that.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)titles and awards to its own and not to the rest.
And btw, as an ASIDE, if you THINK there's no 1% in Latin America, you're sooooo mistaken. Latin countries are the prototype of poverty-stricken countries where the 1% sucks the lifeblood out of the rest.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)My "So? I'm Mexican-American. Big Whoop" comment was meant to be in direct reply to your "I'm Latin" comment.
In other words: "You're Latin? Big deal. I'm Mexican-American. So what? Doesn't change a thing."
For the record, I don't have an ethnic (or any other kind of) rooting interest in who gets awarded a French knighthood. That's not what I was saying. What I meant in my post that you responded to with "I'm Latin" was that Americans being pissed that a Mexican actor got a French knighthood seems more than a little silly. That's it. Sorry I wasn't clear.
As for your aside, I don't see where you get that I think there are no billionaires or poverty south of the American border. That's a huuuuuuge stretch to get to an incorrect conclusion.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)You figured I was an anglo or a non-Latin and were going to hit me with the bigot thing, until my admission that I am Latin.
As for your assertion that Americans are angry that a Mexican got selected, my responses were spot on. This has nothing to do with Mexicans, and everything to do with the fact that someone got picked for this merely because she's married to a French billionaire who is a pal of Sarkozy, and no other reason. Excellent Latin women who have spent their entire lives working for all manner of causes would never have been considered. Why? Simple, because they simply were not married to the billionaire who is the REAL object of this award.
The world is reacting to this knighting of Salma Hayek with anger or as a huge joke.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)You brought race into it. Not me.
My post was about nationality.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)She has produced many excellent projects that otherwise might not exist, she's an Academy Award nominee as an actress, and she does some good work speaking for immigrant's rights, opposing violence against women and is an advocate for several other issues as well.
Not nearly nothing. A great deal. Sorry. I know, she's like a woman, and all pretty and stuff, so it is fun to say her large set of accomplishments are 'nearly nothing'.
Should she get knighted? Don't know. Has she done lots of things in the world? Yes she has indeed.
Not into the trashing of artists. She's an accomplished person. That's just how it is.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)This is a waste.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nothing' and I do not agree that she's done nearly nothing. I strongly disagree with that statement. That's all I said. Also, what you said was not 'there are amazing women in France' you said this one woman has done nearly nothing. Which is just incorrect.
See I am taking issue with your statement, as it is inaccurate. Regarding Ms Hayek. More than one male, non French actor has gotten this award. This is the case for many years. So it is not new nor different to award an actor, nor a non French person.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)MANY! An endless number. This one is not one.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)The diminishing of a woman because she's beautiful and an actress into a "she's done nothing" is a problem. A quick internet search shows that she's not done "nothing."
I have NO problem with questioning how she was knighted, but I don't like the dismissal of her because she's Salma Hayek, actress, either.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)But what I want to know is, what do knights do these days? Do we now call her 'Sir Salma Hayek'? I'm pretty ignorant on the whole modern day knight thing.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)But that's as far as I'll carry it. Too many opportunities to make a misstep. Nope. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)inna
(8,809 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Isn't it?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Some relatives in France called me shortly after I reading. Of course I brought it up. They're still pissed.
If I wrote what my aunt said, a jury would hide my post.
Imagine someone giving the Medal of Freedom to the foreign wife of Bush Sr's best buddy and saying it was because she sat on a few charities.
Sarkozy just can't keep himself from cheapening the entire Presidency while he screws over the 99% in France.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)He's just an ordinary right winger, so we shouldn't expect anything but the most crass behavior.
And so, from Sarkozy's point of view, it was either knight the multi-billionaire Frenchman's wife (Hayek), or kneel before the multi-billionaire and kiss his private parts.
He chose the former.
"If I wrote what my aunt said, a jury would hide my post. "
I didn't think about it until you said that, but... isn't that a fairly major flaw in the system, that it would give us cause to completely omit another person's words to us?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)to get Salma Hayak to kneel in front him.
And he'd probably STILL be shorter than her!
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)the mega-millionaire. Money talks, doesn't it?
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Contemptible that a minor celeb is awarded such a high honor.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)SaintPete
(533 posts)Hayek's charitable work includes increasing awareness on violence against women and discrimination against immigrants.
On July 19, 2005, Hayek testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary supporting reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act.
In February 2006, she donated $25,000 to a Coatzacoalcos, Mexico, shelter for battered women and another $50,000 to Monterrey based anti-domestic violence groups.
Hayek is a board member of V-Day, the charity founded by playwright Eve Ensler.
Since the birth of her daughter, Hayek has worked to help mothers in developing nations worldwide, teaming up with Pampers and UNICEF to help stop the spread of life-threatening maternal and neonatal tetanus. She is a global spokesperson for the Pampers/UNICEF partnership 1 Pack = 1 Vaccine to help raise awareness of the program.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salma_Hayek
Does she deserve the knighting? Maybe, maybe not. Who really cares?
Does she deserve your insults and scorn? - not a chance...
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)this woman. But, oh yeah, I forgot! They didn't marry a PAL of right wing Sarkozy.
SaintPete
(533 posts)is yours, not hers.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)SaintPete
(533 posts)why are you upset about this? It affects you not, and is completely ceremonial.
If they want to have their little titles and honors, let them.
Or fight it.
But why let it make you angry?
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I thought I had read of her work for these causes in the article you posted. Thanks for posting that. I don't understand the scorn being heaped on her.
Julie
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)I expect to hear some serious apologies from some of you people in this thread.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)Best post in thread.
Johonny
(20,849 posts)in European history before. Pointless titles given to the upper class aren't like exactly a new European tradition.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)pal of Sarkozy.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)You know, because she's pretty and all, so she couldn't possibly have any accomplishments of her own, must be dumb as a brick and just couldn't possibly have earned a place in the 1% category through her own efforts without having to marry some dude (and of course, since she's pretty and all she just couldn't possibly have married the dude for any other reason than money because even though she's a well-known and accomplished actress she must be a broke gold-digging hussy).
Your frequent misogynist attacks on attractive women - or for that matter any woman you disagree with on something - is really getting tiresome. But what is so irksome is that for someone who purports to be so against misogyny some of the worst objectifying and dehumanizing of women I've seen on this forum has been coming from you yet you seem entirely oblivious to it.
As far as Salma Hayek receiving a knighthood is concerned, the only thing to be upset about it is that in this day and age there are still European countries that cling to the trappings of class divide and the ridiculous notion of nobility by still having a monarchy, titles for the modern gentry-by-birth and pass out knighthoods... all that's missing is the jousting and a few beheadings.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)husband's father and her husband are intimate friends with Sarkozy. This is not the first time Sarkozy the right wingnut does something like this. Right wingers never knew an award that couldn't advance their cronyist desires.
As for her accomplishments, ask me to name Latin women who have done a million times more than this woman, and dedicated their whole lives to it. This woman is getting an award from Sarkozy as a pat in the back to her husband, who is his pal.
That's what the worldwide objection to this is about.
onenote
(42,701 posts)Good grief. Knight (or more correctly "Chevalier" is the lowest rung on the Legion d'Honneur scale. Its a ceremonial honor that gets bestowed on all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons, including thousands of foreigners. Among those getting the nod over the years: Vladmir Putin. Clint Eastwood. Barbra Streisand. Alan Greenspan.
Do you think that there was no one more "qualified" (based on whatever it is that you think consists of the qualifications for this yawn of an honor) than those particular "Knights"?
If you want to criticize the awarding of honorary "knighthoods" by the French to foreign actors, actresses, political leaders, I can understand. But to single out the award to one actress as somehow being that egregious compared to the others?
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)It's all a thing of the 1%, for the 1%.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)aren't happy with this decision.
onenote
(42,701 posts)EC
(12,287 posts)She promotes the arts and promotes education of the history of South America. Both her and Antonio Bandarras do a lot of work in human rights. I'm just guessing, but maybe that's why?
And on edit: For the work she has done for women's rights and her arts projects I admire her very much.
Oh and her work exposing the South American 1% in different movies etc. I think we should be giving her applause. She has done some really good work showing how the elites took over countries and used the countries riches for personnal gain...much like is happening here now. Even her movie Freda shows how liberals (socialists) were persecuted. I'm glad she made those movies and exposed who the bad guys really are.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)weren't even considered.
Sarkozy's just giving his Gucci friend another decoration for the mantlepiece.
I have nothing against Hayek, except her ridiculous comment thanking God for the big boobs she prayed for as a child.
Because of your posts, I googled her charity work. I don't know how complete this is. It's good stuff but is it really enough to get another country's top award? If she weren't married to Pinault, there's no way she would have gotten it. If you read about the Pinaults, they're 1% exploiters. Her father-in-law, Sarkozy's pal, is the 74th wealthiest person in the world. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/10/FUBG.html
Don't you find that very unfair to poorer people, especially French, who don't have those kind of connections but spend their whole lives helping others either at home or abroad?
Mexican actress Salma Hayek is highly active in raising awareness about violence against women and discrimination against immigrants, and since the birth of her daughter last year, has added campaigns helping children to her list of charity works.
Her own charity, the Salma Hayek Foundation, which previously supported organizations giving aid to and raising awareness for battered women, has now branched out to work with disadvantaged children on the streets of Mexico, helping them to overcome problems such as drugs, violence or lack of education.
As a spokesperson for the Pampers 1 Pack = 1 Vaccine campaign, she helps raise awareness and funds which allow UNICEF to provide tetanus vaccines to pregnant women, protecting the women for up to 15 years, and their babies for several months after the birth.
She says of the program:
I have long been a supporter of every childs right to health and happiness. As a new mother, Im thrilled to help Pampers and UNICEF raise awareness of their initiative to provide tetanus vaccines to those at risk.
Hayek took part in the America: A Tribute to Heroes charity telethon for victims of 9/11.
Hayek breastfed a desperate mothers hungry baby during a fact-finding trip to Sierra Leone, Africa, in 2008.
Salma received the Cookie magazine Smart Cookie award in 2009 for her active participation in charity since entering the realm of motherhood.
http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/116-salma-hayek
Salma Hayek recently joined the Human Rights Watch (HRW) organization in hope of asking presidential candidates in Mexico to commit to the prevention and punishment of crimes against women. Hayek, HRW, and 65 other social groups in Mexico and U.S. got together to make this call an open letter that was sent to candidates running for office in July.Hayek believes that every Mexican deserves a president that will end all these ridiculous killings against women. Non-government organizations have stated that for the last 13 years, more than 400 women have been murdered or have "disappeared" in Ciudad Juarez, in the state of Chihuahua.
"It's outrageous that Mexican women must live afraid of the killers harassing them on the streets," Hayek stated. Jose Miguel Vivanco, HWR director in the Americas, stated that "despite some efforts done by the government to investigate these brutal crimes, women are still being kidnapped, tortured, and killed in Mexico."
http://www.soulfrito.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=7&Itemid=39
EC
(12,287 posts)to help others... What do you want? She's not forgetting or ignoring what is really going on in the streets of the countries around her and she is doing what she can. As far as the knighthood, I congratulate her and do not begrudge her. Yes, I'm sure there are others that deserve some recongnition and I'm sure they will be rewarded someday, by someone. So don't disparage one, because there are others.
bikebloke
(5,260 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)heartbeat.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)DataException
(38 posts)She's hot!!!
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)tjwash
(8,219 posts)Or is that just me?
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Sean Connery, Elton John, Helen Mirren, Judi Dench, Rolf Harris, Henry Cooper, Bob Geldof, Paul McCartney, George Martin, Ian McKellan, Ralph Richardson, Christopher Lee, Roger Moore, Terry Wogan, Mick Jagger, Salman Rushdie, Bono, Nick Faldo, Terry Practchett, Alfred Hitchcock, Edmund Hillary, Barbara Cartland, Ben Kingsley, Kiri Te Kanawa, Alan Sugar, Bob Hope, George Bush, Ronald Reagan, Andre Previn, Bill Gates.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_celebrities_have_been_knighted#ixzz1ibiqGdON
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'm really happy for her
Norrin Radd
(4,959 posts)I wonder why they didn't give her that one, instead? Would've quelled a lot of angst.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)The French are angry at Sarkozy about this. On the other hand, if it gets Sarkozy's right wing behind out of office, it might have been worth it.
http://www.yousaytoo.com/french-anger-of-sarkozy-because-of-salma-hayek/1675555
dameocrat67
(475 posts)n/t
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Really.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)"FoxNews.com adds a sort of snarky postscript noting that Hayek last month told BBC gabshow host Graham Norton that as a child she prayed to Jesus for large breasts.
I went to a church that had a saint that was supposed to do a lot of miracles, Hayek said on The Graham Norton Show.
I put my hands in the holy water and went: Please Jesus give me some boobs.
http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/136593351.html
EX500rider
(10,845 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)EX500rider
(10,845 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)but is it possible that was said tongue in cheek? It sounds like something I'd say tongue in cheek if asked on Graham Norton's comedic BBC talk show about my large tatas.
Just saying.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)This award is given out to powerful people as a symbolic gesture of the alliance between powerful people.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Period, end of story.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/6213879/Outrage-over-Hayeks-Knighthood
France's highest order of merit has been branded a joke after the Mexican-born actress Salma Hayek was made a Knight of the Legion of Honour.
News that the 45-year-old was to become a Chevalier among other actors and singers prompted one former minister to refuse the award, while others warned it would see Napoleon ''turning in his grave''.
President Nicolas Sarkozy has the last word on who receives the Legion of Honour, created by Napoleon Bonaparte in 1802 in his attempt to replace nobility with a republican meritocracy.
Hayek is married to the billionaire Francois-Henri Pinault, whose business interests include the Gucci fashion label and Christie's auction house. He is also a close friend of Mr Sarkozy's
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Sarkozy has made this such a joke that
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/851941/does-salma-hayek-deserve-be-knighted-in-france
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Look at GW Bush, the poster boy for idiots and cronyism.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)I really love that in America you do not have to recognize a title of nobility. May seem like a small thing but it's very nice.
PB
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)really, why is this such a big deal to you?
Put some energy toward something more important...say...there are millions of children starving in the world.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)LOL!
Someone emailed me the link. I burst out laughing when I saw it. It's actually an honor to be bashed by the 'pukes. I think it's a good guideline. If the 'pukes hate it, you know it's a noble and good thing.
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Monk06
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BOHICA12
(471 posts)Monk06
(7,675 posts)Wait a minute QT directed this. So we know where he stands regarding toe sucking and licking Julette Lewis' pussy, which is also a line from this early and quite demented Tarantino flick. On the other hand Tito and Tarantula got featured which is a plus.
Bake
(21,977 posts)There's only so much outrage I can produce.
Bake
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)literally nothing.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)which you fucking initiated.
BOHICA12
(471 posts)FSogol
(45,484 posts)"You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts."
and
"I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries."
Monk06
(7,675 posts)Go away or will taunt you a second time.
eridani
(51,907 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)On a more serious note, she did speak out well for breastfeeding.
FSogol
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roody
(10,849 posts)cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)You know who else has a knighthood? This guy:
Entertainers sometimes get meaningless honorary titles. Big deal.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)I mean, who else would be playing the piano while wearing a duck suit?
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)marasinghe
(1,253 posts)Madame la Guillotine can't be far behind.
plus, i think it's okay her getting it, just for her work in "Desperado"; though Banderas is much more deserving.
let it go.
having to genuflect -- or whatever asskissing she had to do for the ceremony -- to the Sarkozy piece of shit, is punishment enough.
if you think it isn't, just dwell on the fact that she has to have sex with that rich arrogant bastard she's married to.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)flvegan
(64,407 posts)Quartermass
(457 posts)It's illegal for Americans to have a title of nobility.
She may have done nothing to deserve it, but so what? Why shouldn't she get knighted, other than for being an American? Is there any other good reason why she shouldn't?