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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:46 AM Aug 2012

If you read *anything* about last night, read this: Charles P. Pierce is a man on fire.

On RNC Opening Night, Republicans Dare to Build a Lie
Charles P. Pierce
Esquire

TAMPA, Fla. — It was about halfway through the speech given by Mary Fallin, by the grace of a pitiless god the governor of Oklahoma, where I finally came close to losing it. She rolled herself into this remarkable passage:

The history of my great state of Oklahoma offers a great example of pursuing the American Dream. It was built and settled by pioneers movibe west to seek better lives. During the Great Land Run of 1889, thousands of families rushed to put a stake down on empty plots of land. They built tent cities overnight. They farmed the land and they worked hard. And, in 1897, eight years after the land run, a handful of adventurous pioneers risked their own money — not the federal government's money — to drill Oklahoma's first oil well, the Nellie Johnstone. By doing so, these early-day pioneers changed the future and Oklahoma forever and today Oklahoma is one of the nation's key energy producers and job creators. President Obama wants us to believe that Oklahomans owe that success to the federal government — to the Department Of Energy,to the EPA, to the IRS, or maybe even to him. Mr. President, we know better. As we say in Oklahoma, that dog won't hunt.


Handed in as a seventh-grade history essay, this would get no better than a D. Delivered to the convention of one of our only two political parties, it was perhaps the most singularly dishonest speech I have ever seen a politician give, and I grew up in Massachusetts, and Willard Romney was once my governor. My god, Oklahomans wouldn't even have Oklahoma without the federal government, without the Homestead Act of 1889 or the Railroad Act — both, by the way, achievements of a Republican presidents named Abraham Lincoln and Benjamin Harrison. And the land wasn't exactly "empty," Governor. It got emptied by a big-government program called the United States Army. You know what your state would be without the federal government, Governor, without the votes for the legislation from congressmen from the east and north, without the soldiers from New England and the Great Lakes? You know what Oklahoma would be?

Sand, with a whole lot of pissed-off Native Americans.

The rest: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/rnc-tampa-night-one-12158408
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If you read *anything* about last night, read this: Charles P. Pierce is a man on fire. (Original Post) WilliamPitt Aug 2012 OP
I would like to respectfully add that it was OUR FUCKING OIL! Scuba Aug 2012 #1
And still does, it's just being shunted through the middle man corporations. Who count on the whole freshwest Aug 2012 #26
I don't understand why Rustycup Aug 2012 #68
Why do the Norwegians get 4X the royalty per barrel of oil as the US? Scuba Aug 2012 #69
It might have something to do with the leadership of Norway Quantess Aug 2012 #70
Yeah, you're way out on a limb there. Scuba Aug 2012 #71
I really am just guessing. Quantess Aug 2012 #72
Yeah, the lousy Socialists! maddiemom Aug 2012 #74
K & R. n/t FSogol Aug 2012 #2
Kick! Oilwellian Aug 2012 #3
Charlie Pierce is the best there is hifiguy Aug 2012 #4
Oklahoma settlement was made possible by forced removal/massacre of native people, LeftinOH Aug 2012 #5
Thanks William Pitt coldbeer Aug 2012 #36
is heaven05 Aug 2012 #75
no, poorly worded on my part. coldbeer Sep 2012 #79
ten four heaven05 Sep 2012 #80
It was also the part of trail of tears defacto7 Aug 2012 #59
And they didn't create farms from vacant wilderness. fasttense Aug 2012 #64
"the Event Horizon of utter bullshit" hifiguy Aug 2012 #6
I was just about to post that. bleever Aug 2012 #11
What IS the Schwartzchild radius of bull poop? longship Aug 2012 #44
I don't know, but the gravitational pull of bovine excrement hifiguy Aug 2012 #45
Then that would be, by definition, within the Schwartzchild radius. longship Aug 2012 #57
That was good. mgc1961 Aug 2012 #56
Everyone should be reading Pierce's election coverage. EVERYONE. Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #7
Ignorance is their forte. Smilo Aug 2012 #8
I laughed out loud at this part: steve2470 Aug 2012 #9
Me too. That's the sort of reaching across the aisle... WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2012 #35
LBJ was an iron fist in an iron glove. hifiguy Aug 2012 #41
So Bill Clinton's their hero now . . . janet118 Aug 2012 #73
And she is not even a native of the state. BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #10
US Capitalism is really just veiled socialism. Always has been and always will be. cbdo2007 Aug 2012 #12
It's a funny veil too Hydra Aug 2012 #31
Now you see what we have to deal with on a daily avebury Aug 2012 #13
Best article yet -- a stunning summation of LuckyLib Aug 2012 #14
K&R Nothing better can be said to sum up that convention. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2012 #15
Her statement was awful, but Pierce's reply not much better hfojvt Aug 2012 #16
the picture of her xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #17
K&R Sedona Aug 2012 #18
Free land from the government, hmmm. . . but B Calm Aug 2012 #19
Doesnt really follow does it. Blanks Aug 2012 #54
And this gem from Krispy Kreme. geardaddy Aug 2012 #20
oxen moron Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #24
Zing! geardaddy Aug 2012 #30
Re-creating history every day get the red out Aug 2012 #21
brilliant Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #22
That struck me, too. Empty? Couldn't see 'them injuns'? What paralled universe do they live in? freshwest Aug 2012 #23
Empty of white people. Only white people count. tclambert Aug 2012 #49
I made an OP on that subject from an article here: freshwest Aug 2012 #50
Since 2007, Oklahoma has had 24 presidential declarations for major disasters and five presidentiall Cosmocat Aug 2012 #25
The 'Government' did one good thing for the Native Peoples in Oklahoma formercia Aug 2012 #27
I don't think my great great grand parents thought much about that defacto7 Aug 2012 #60
The Oil was a financial boon to the Tribe formercia Aug 2012 #65
Yes, you built that. On bodies, with slaves, and by raping the land. nolabear Aug 2012 #28
I have been in OK during one celebration of the Land Rush, to which no American Indians were invited patrice Aug 2012 #29
Brilliant!! n/t ceile Aug 2012 #32
Big AMEN to THAT. The whole essay. +1000000. closeupready Aug 2012 #33
Pierce is tragically a member of the reality-based community deutsey Aug 2012 #34
Don't forget the "Louisiana Purchase"! livingonearth Aug 2012 #37
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #38
He is my favorite blogger mcar Aug 2012 #39
k&r n/t RainDog Aug 2012 #40
Wouldn't it be dishonoring Custer to tell the truth? Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #42
Posted this on FB... Atman Aug 2012 #43
And "their own money" & "not the federal government's money" Amonester Aug 2012 #46
Oklahoma is also the state Caeser67 Aug 2012 #47
a terrible time... defacto7 Aug 2012 #61
yeah heaven05 Aug 2012 #77
That was gross just having to read the LIES The GOP Built.. Cha Aug 2012 #48
John Galt founded Oklahoma, without anybody's help, cutting down the forests with his own two hands, tclambert Aug 2012 #51
Now the native tribes have lots of casinos. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #52
Brilliant malaise Aug 2012 #53
You'd think that with all the historical fetishism in the Republican party. . . theinquisitivechad Aug 2012 #55
They grasp at straws for their invented history. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #67
Kicked and recommended. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #58
Okahoma! We The People Built That! TeamPooka Aug 2012 #62
Good editorial Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2012 #63
"That dog won't hunt." She got that much right. geckosfeet Aug 2012 #66
Nothing but endless, shameless lies jsr Aug 2012 #76
Wasn't Oklahoma populated with First Americans before 1889? SemperEadem Aug 2012 #78
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. I would like to respectfully add that it was OUR FUCKING OIL!
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:02 AM
Aug 2012

That resource belonged to all the citizens, not just those wealthy enough to afford a drilling rig.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
26. And still does, it's just being shunted through the middle man corporations. Who count on the whole
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:31 PM
Aug 2012

Of the USA to be granted that position in our society. Which should be yanked away if they continue to disrespect the nation as a whole. Ignorance is worse than anything and it's all the GOP is peddling.

Rustycup

(41 posts)
68. I don't understand why
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:34 AM
Aug 2012

the democrats don't run on the fact the rich cats are taking our resources for free. Alaska nationalized their pipeline. If they can do it why can't we do it on a national level? If we are going to have the Keystone pipeline then we should get a return on our investment? Frame an issue and lets see the Republicans defend why oil companies making $20,000 a minute can't pay a few pennies to the U.S. government.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
70. It might have something to do with the leadership of Norway
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:14 AM
Aug 2012

actually being interested in their citizens, and wanting to enrich their own country, as opposed to the USA where multinational corporate interests take precedence. Just a guess.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
72. I really am just guessing.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:21 AM
Aug 2012

But I do know enough about the scandinavian governments being invested in their own countries, in their own citizens, in comparison to the USA. So I feel like that's probably a good guess.

LeftinOH

(5,648 posts)
5. Oklahoma settlement was made possible by forced removal/massacre of native people,
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:41 AM
Aug 2012

courtesy of the US Army. Thus, the whole damn state is a government giveaway.

coldbeer

(306 posts)
36. Thanks William Pitt
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:35 PM
Aug 2012

I have a wonderful life and own my half-acre. Well, of course I
pay taxes and honor that commitment. I know my land was stolen.
But, it is a dog-eat dog world and we have to work together and
share instead of being so selfserving. I could not have been
successful and have the honor of paying taxes without help from
our government. Government represents my fellow citizens.
Not paying taxes is nothing to be proud of.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
75. is
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:30 AM
Aug 2012

this sarcasm? "I know the land was stolen, but it's a dog eat dog world"? Typical american mentality on the slaughter of nations of human beings.

coldbeer

(306 posts)
79. no, poorly worded on my part.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 03:06 AM
Sep 2012

"The land was stolen" should have been "this land is stolen".
The intent was for the settlers to take the land. Dog-eat-dog
means this is the way it always happens. Buying Manhattan
with beads is a silly concept. There is nothing I can do about
the past. History repeats.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
59. It was also the part of trail of tears
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:54 AM
Aug 2012

where eastern tribes were relocated. They were forced to walk from North Carolina to Oklahoma on foot. Some of my ancestors were lucky enough to have survived it if living on a reservation in OK. was survival.

Sooners... a bunch of Irishmen racing across the west killing anything that moved.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
64. And they didn't create farms from vacant wilderness.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 05:51 AM
Aug 2012

It was already plowed and developed by American Indians. Hell, much of the land had homes, fully furnished and built, crops and fields, all belonging to Native Americans before they were forced off. The settlers just pushed the Indians off and took what the Indians had created and built up.

They didn't build it, they stole it. Thanks to the help of the US FEDERAL Army.

longship

(40,416 posts)
44. What IS the Schwartzchild radius of bull poop?
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 03:49 PM
Aug 2012

You either have to compress the Hell out of it; or you have to have a wholly Hell lot of it in one place.

I think I know which one he's alluding to.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
45. I don't know, but the gravitational pull of bovine excrement
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:01 PM
Aug 2012

in Tampa is so strong that not even a sub-atomic particle of truth can get out.

longship

(40,416 posts)
57. Then that would be, by definition, within the Schwartzchild radius.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:43 PM
Aug 2012

Oh! The huge manatee!

 

mgc1961

(1,263 posts)
56. That was good.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:31 PM
Aug 2012

I also liked this one:

"After listening to this laughable bafflegab for a spell, you begin to wonder whether or not the U.S. military is a rather large venture-capital concern with anti-tank weapons."

Lucy Goosey

(2,940 posts)
7. Everyone should be reading Pierce's election coverage. EVERYONE.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:48 AM
Aug 2012

This is a particularly good example, but all of his stuff is good.

See also:

The Ghost of Todd Akin and the RNC Ladyparts Dance
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/#ixzz24wzcgpgj

(Best headline ever, no?)

steve2470

(37,481 posts)
9. I laughed out loud at this part:
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:58 AM
Aug 2012

Did Ted Cruz really quote Martin King in this hall? Did Artur Davis, the newly minted Republican turncoat from Alabama, just cite Jack Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Lyndon Fking Johnson as examples of "leaders" who "reached across the aisle"? Lyndon reached across the aisle? Yeah, he did, and he grabbed their peckers and put them in his pocket, and he didn't give them back until the skinflint bastards coughed up Medicare.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
35. Me too. That's the sort of reaching across the aisle...
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:12 PM
Aug 2012

I support, not this Captain Bipartisanship bullshit we're witnessing now. I *hope* to retire within 12-17 years, and God only knows what awaits my generation (and those that follow) with regard to Medicare!

janet118

(1,663 posts)
73. So Bill Clinton's their hero now . . .
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:33 AM
Aug 2012

That would be mildly amusing if it weren't such a complete revision of history. The Republicans spent nearly every second of the Clinton presidency trying to beat him to a pulp with any weapons they could lay their hands on. Just like they're doing to Obama now.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
31. It's a funny veil too
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:43 PM
Aug 2012

Everyone works together to build something and the 1% come in and steal it afterwards.

The funniest part is that anyone would worship and want to become the 1% after that.

avebury

(11,197 posts)
13. Now you see what we have to deal with on a daily
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 12:13 PM
Aug 2012

basis. She does as she is told. I don't think she has an original thought in her head.

LuckyLib

(7,052 posts)
14. Best article yet -- a stunning summation of
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 12:14 PM
Aug 2012

the Republican bankruptcy:


"But the Republican Party did something remarkable at its convention on Tuesday. It set out on an experiment to see exactly how much unmitigated hogwash the American political system can contain on a single evening. The Republican Party has set out at its 2012 convention in search of the Event Horizon of utter bullshit. It has sought to see precisely how many lies, evasions, elisions, and undigestible chunks of utter gobbledegook the political media can swallow before it finally gags twice and falls over dead, leaving the rest of America suckers all the same. What you didn't see in primetime, from Arthur Davis to Ted Cruz, and from one 2016 contender to another, was the GOP embarking upon the task of seeing exactly how much nonsense it could produce at top volume before democracy screams and gives up, like Noriega in Panama when they played the metal music at him.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
16. Her statement was awful, but Pierce's reply not much better
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 12:30 PM
Aug 2012

"sand, with a whole lot of pissed-off Native Americans".

My uncle from OKC once commented that my hometown, where streets are named after states in the US, does not have an Oklahoma street. I figured that was because the city of 12,000 was not big enough to have enough streets to include all 50 states.

What I did not know at the time was that Oklahoma, like Vermont, was not even supposed to be a state. As probably most DUers know, before Oklahoma was opened to white settlers in 1889, it was first set aside, (and forcibly populated) as permanent Native American territory.

As Donald J Berthrong wrote in 1976, the settlement looked like this from the Native American side

Of the millions of acres once controlled by the tribes, they now retained only 529,692 acres. Even that small remnant would in another ten years begin to slip away from their possession because of the acts of Congress and the greed of land-hungry farmers and landjobbers. 181

At high noon on April 19, 1892, between 25 and 30,000 settlers made a run into the Cheyenne-Arapaho Reservation, and immediately began a new era for the Cheyennes and Arapahoes. The tribesmen had long been in contact with white men, but never as neighbors and never in such overwhelming numbers. Within a few hours, the Cheyennes and Arapahoes became a minority, constituting about 10% of the population among the farmers, small ranchers, and inhabitants of the small towns in the six counties that had formerly constituted the Cheyenne-Arapaho Reservation. As citizens of the U.S. and Oklahoma Territory the Indians in theory possessed all the rights and privileges of citizenship with their lands and property protected from alienation under the terms of the Dawes Act and other legislation. In practice, however, it was difficult to guard the Indians against the prejudices and the avariciousness of the new residents and officials of the Cheyenne-Arapaho country. 182


Yet Pierce wants to make sure the Federal Government gets credit for this?

The other part I would scoff at is the Governor's claim that "Oklahoma is one of the nation's job creators".

Oklahoma is one of the poorest states in the region. Oklahoma's neighbors are Kansas, Arkansas, Texas, New Mexico, and Colorado.
Here's median income in 2010

Oklahoma - 43,400
Kansas - 46,229
Arkansas - 38,571
Texas - 47,464
New Mexico - 45,098
Colorado - 60,442
US - 49,445

Oklahoma's poverty rate of 15.6% makes them 44th. Meaning they have a higher poverty rate than 43 of the other 49 states. (although better than their neighbors Arkansas and Texas who are 45th and 46th http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate)

Oklahoma DOES have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the nation, but seems to have created a mere 60,000 jobs in the last 3 years whereas a state like Minnesota created over 100,000 in the last two, but Oklahoma has clearly been helped in this recession by basically being a member of OPEC.

Still, considering their poverty rate and their median income, I wouldn't brag about their economy.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
17. the picture of her
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 12:36 PM
Aug 2012

reveals a very bad face lift. I do not understand why, when the facial reconstruction decision is made, the person the goes w/ the cheapest bid. You have chosen to be a public figure. You lead w/ your face. Spend the extra $7500. Your vanity stops at your wallet?

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
54. Doesnt really follow does it.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:47 PM
Aug 2012

However, they took the land from someone else. At least that's consistent with their thinking.

geardaddy

(25,392 posts)
20. And this gem from Krispy Kreme.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:11 PM
Aug 2012
Earlier, though, Christie rang the theme of the evening's overriding demonstrable lie, too. He talked about how his family Built It, his Irish father and his Sicilian mother.

They both lived hard lives. Dad grew up in poverty. After returning from Army service, he worked at the Breyer's ice-cream plant in the 1950's. With that job, and the GI Bill, he put himself through Rutgers University at night to become the first in his family to earn a college degree.

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/rnc-tampa-night-one-12158408#ixzz24xKaX9Ot


Does he not hear himself? "[with] the GI Bill, he put himself through Rutgers..."

Talk about an oxymoron!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
23. That struck me, too. Empty? Couldn't see 'them injuns'? What paralled universe do they live in?
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:29 PM
Aug 2012

tclambert

(11,193 posts)
49. Empty of white people. Only white people count.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:43 PM
Aug 2012

It says so in the Bible. Or maybe the official Republican Party Platform. It's in some sort of Holy Scripture.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
50. I made an OP on that subject from an article here:
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:56 PM
Aug 2012
In modern GOP, the old South returns

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021225838

Harold Meyerson did a good job of summing up what we are being presented with today, IMHO. Not so much pushing my OP, but this is the mentality they're stuck with.

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
25. Since 2007, Oklahoma has had 24 presidential declarations for major disasters and five presidentiall
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:30 PM
Aug 2012

Gov. Mary Fallin said Thursday she is pleased the federal government has approved disaster assistance for one Oklahoma county that was ravaged by wildfires and that she'll continue seeking aid for three others also affected.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/fce9d4ccf8154a189d47d731f5384c31/OK--Oklahoma-Wildfires-Fallin

formercia

(18,479 posts)
27. The 'Government' did one good thing for the Native Peoples in Oklahoma
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:34 PM
Aug 2012

..although it wasn't intentional.

The Trail of Tears ended on top of one of the largest Oil deposits in the Nation.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
60. I don't think my great great grand parents thought much about that
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:16 AM
Aug 2012

I'm not sure what you're saying, really.

formercia

(18,479 posts)
65. The Oil was a financial boon to the Tribe
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 06:37 AM
Aug 2012

Last edited Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:16 PM - Edit history (1)

..what the Oil companies didn't steal first.

I had a Cherokee neighbor in Oklahoma who was rather well off as a result. Without that revenue, the Tribe would have been very poor.

I must admit, it will never make up for the pain, suffering and loss of land, imposed on them by Andrew Jackson.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
28. Yes, you built that. On bodies, with slaves, and by raping the land.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:35 PM
Aug 2012

I get that people are proud of their success. But the Party of Whitewash needs to own, humbly, what that success was built on over generations, and give thanks and a hand up to the people whose ancestors were being beaten, robbed, infected, starved, stolen from and killed so theirs could succeed.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
29. I have been in OK during one celebration of the Land Rush, to which no American Indians were invited
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:39 PM
Aug 2012

so they invited themselves and THAT was a sight to see!

Rest in Peace, Chief Wilma Mankiller, knowing you did good work for your people.

Sat nam!

livingonearth

(728 posts)
37. Don't forget the "Louisiana Purchase"!
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:37 PM
Aug 2012

That was done by government. All those proud Oklahomans would be part of France right now if the government hadn't bought their state for them.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
46. And "their own money" & "not the federal government's money"
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:04 PM
Aug 2012

So they traded daily commodities, salaries, with what, then? Home-made gold coins?

That MONEEEEE they invested had to be printed on 'somethin' by 'someone', no?



Caeser67

(156 posts)
47. Oklahoma is also the state
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:29 PM
Aug 2012

that ran my Great-Grandparents, my Grand-Parents, and a host of other relatives out of the state during the Tulsa race riots of 1921.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
77. yeah
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:00 AM
Aug 2012

I read about that. A horrible, horrible TRUE reflection of what america then and the current republican party represents now for minorities, and this time women, school children(headstart)and the chronically ill are at risk. You know mitt robme's religion tells him he's a god walking the earth, what chance do us mere mortals have against a god??!!!

Cha

(319,079 posts)
48. That was gross just having to read the LIES The GOP Built..
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:30 PM
Aug 2012

but, Charlie Pierce makes it ever so palatable. Thanks Will.

A comment under his column from FB..

"My husband, former Republican, got up after listening to Ann Romney for a few minutes and said, "I can't listen to her B.S. anymore," and got up and walked out of the room. And that's a man who did NOT want to relinquish his father's party..... but luckily woke up to the extremity that they have become."

tclambert

(11,193 posts)
51. John Galt founded Oklahoma, without anybody's help, cutting down the forests with his own two hands,
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:58 PM
Aug 2012

and digging river channels to irrigate the farmlands he cleared. How he put the oil there I'm not sure.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
52. Now the native tribes have lots of casinos.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:05 PM
Aug 2012

taking the white man's money because of his greed.

Using that money to benefit their tribes. Using it to buy land and putting that land in non-profit organizations, so that the taxing authorities can't tax it. At least in South Dakota.

I love it.

theinquisitivechad

(322 posts)
55. You'd think that with all the historical fetishism in the Republican party. . .
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 06:05 PM
Aug 2012

. . .that they'd actually have a better grasp of history. . .

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
66. "That dog won't hunt." She got that much right.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:19 AM
Aug 2012

How do people get into American politics without knowing any American history? Once elected they tell inadvertently revisionist stories to the American people who wisely nod their heads and wet their pants in teabagging excitement.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
78. Wasn't Oklahoma populated with First Americans before 1889?
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:07 AM
Aug 2012

Yeah, I thought so. Just like the rest of this country. It wasn't empty by any stretch of the imagination.

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