If Trump is brought down by pedophilia and sex trafficking instead of collusion with Russia,

[Aristus]

I'm cool with that.

Just as long as he goes away.

To prison.

For a very long time...

[watoos]

1. Please, I'm asking this nicely,

the perps want us to call it an underage scandal, we need to call it what it is, sex trafficking and pedophilia.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. +1

[Pacifist Patriot]

7. and rape

[Aristus]

13. Thank you.

I changed it.

You're absolutely right. We need to make sure we use the most appropriate terminology, and call it what it is.

[ScratchCat]

29. Its not pedophilia

Because the girls were not pre-pubescent. I don't know why people intentionally get this wrong. An adult having sex with a 14-year old girl is illegal in most States but its not pedophilia and attraction to a girl of child bearing age is not biologically unnatural. This is no defense of Epstein or anyone having sex with teenage girls, but you are shooting yourself in the foot by making it out as something its not. Emphasizing the fact that this involves sex trafficking, which is the most disgusting part, is what we need to do. Pretending that men who like teenage girls are "pedophiles" is 100% incorrect.

[Ponietz]

40. Too many sick photos with a prepubescent Ivanka to dismiss incest and pedophilia just yet

Otherwise, I agree.

[trev]

44. Jerry Lee Lewis

married his 13-year-old cousin. It was legal, but he paid for it with his career.

In Romeo and Juliet, Juliet is also 13....

Marrying right at child-bearing age makes sense when the life expectancy of the race is short and infant mortality is high. It's an evolution thing.

Nowadays, however, it's pretty icky, and can obviously be a sign of sexual abnormalities.

[kskiska]

65. Elvis began dating his future wife Priscilla when she was 14.

Roy Orbison's wife was 16 when they married.

[LuvNewcastle]

67. My mom was 16 when she married.

She was still 16 when she had me.

[SylviaD]

82. My mother was 16 when she had me as well. Barely 16. nt

[HopeAgain]

52. It's just disgusitng and amoral. (edited)

Edit: Let's just call it child rape.

[emmaverybo]

54. I believe there was evidence of two 12 year old girls brought in from France, and a 13 year old who

has taken back her complaint. Outside of these potential victims, and possibly more in the 13 and under age group, we are not talking pedophilia, not legally or psychiatrically speaking.

However, sex trafficking underage minors is both morally abhorrent and criminally consequential.

Horrible enough. And yes, from a social standpoint, many of his victims were children.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

64. It says a great deal about you that you're more upset about the terminology

than the actual deed. As not all girls mature in the same way, some of these girls may have appeared younger than their actual years. You must figure in the mentality of the rapist, too. If he thought she was 10 or 12, when she was 14, he STILL thinks he's raping a little girl.

Rape is rape, Cat.

You should be more outraged about the horrors these girls have been forced to endure, than whether or not their age puts them into some neat, tidy little definition. You're just playing word games, pal.

[mr_lebowski]

75. Look ... the definition of words matters

Pedophilia has a meaning, and this case doesn't meet that definition, at least not that we're aware of yet.

And I don't get the idea the person you're responding to 'is more upset about the word definition than (the crimes)' as you suggest.

That's bit of low blow, really.

Everything they said was factual reality. Some people are sticklers when it comes to facts, definitions, accuracy, REALITY in general. I am also one of these people.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

91. Mr. L

I'm not trying to be a jerk here. And yes, I too, care about facts and accuracy.

But we're talking about the rape (and yes, torture -- some of these girls were tied down, gagged and slapped around, while screaming, begging for it to stop) of LITTLE GIRLS here. I find that far more outrageous than whether or not one of them was 8 or 12 or 13 or whatever. If the argument is over whether or not the girls had yet begun to have monthly cycles (pedophilia is defined as sex or an unnatural sexual attraction to children), I still don't understand the complaint here. It's not like you can look at a girl and know that information. Girls do not all age in the same way.

RAPE IS RAPE.

And with all due respect, Sir, you were never a little girl.

[7wo7rees]

93. They call it statutory what?

[at140]

79. Why these girls (or their parents) did not go to the police?

Were they willing participants for money?

Even if they were, it is still disgusting for a old rich man to procure girls so young.

[Betty88]

92. Simple, fear nt

[Oppaloopa]

106. Agree

[mr_lebowski]

73. You are correct, it's called hebephilia ...

I've pointed this out a few times over the years, it's pretty much never taken well ... people like to say 'pedophile' about people they don't like ... cause it sounds so nasty, like you're molesting 8 year olds.

There's probably 500 hebephiles in this world for every 1 pedophile, and that's because, as you say, it's not biologically unnatural, whereas pedophilia clearly IS.

It's socially unacceptable and illegal and should be punished in a great many cases (and most definitely in Epstein's case), but it's not some hugely freakish phenomenon.

[amywalk]

95. Epstein preferred little girls who had not developed breasts yet. So....

[DENVERPOPS]

108. Hey

How do you know they were 14 years old?????????? Check out the photos of Trump groping Ivanka during her growing up years....

[DENVERPOPS]

107. Fine by me

Fine by me that he gets taken down for enabling under age sex trafficking.

Recall that Al Capone got taken down for "tax evasion".......He sat in prison, his brain being eaten away by tertiary syphillis.

By the way, did everyone catch that media photo, NOT PHOTOSHOPPED, of Trump and Ivanka on stage, being caught in public having an open mouth, on the lips, kiss???????

[rampartc]

2. trump appears to be teflon

as much as I want him to pay for his crimes he will probably get away with this as well.

[Meadowoak]

15. Until Mitch McConnell is defeated, Trump will not be held

Accountable for anything! In addition to beating Trump, we must also focus on beating McConnell. I'm donating to Amy McGrath again, I hope everyone does.

[Mach1miles]

33. Yes!

She’s a vet! I’m so proud of the vets running for office. They seem on target, intelligent and...calm! Their understanding with regards to our allies and the importance of blocking the lead by tweet leadership. Amy had a great first day with contributions. We need to keep it coming!

[Ponietz]

41. +1

[bdamomma]

90. Yes

I just donated to her. Mitch has to go, dirty POS he is, let's knock him off his pedestal. He has his blood money.

[DENVERPOPS]

109. It's not just McConnell

IT IS THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN SENATE THAT IS ENABLING HIM.

WITHOUT THEM, TRUMP IS LESS THAN NOTHING...............

[Meadowoak]

111. Yes

We need McConnell gone and to pick up 3 Senate seats.

[DinahMoeHum]

16. Teflon buckles and cracks under extreme heat.

Just sayin'

[mopinko]

19. and turns into a poison gas.

just sayin.

[dchill]

25. So he's already halfway there.

[uponit7771]

97. +1

[SleeplessinSoCal]

21. today's headlines are depressing as hell.

ACA on life support
Emoluments case lost
British Ambassador resigns
Etc.

[Harker]

22. So did John Gotti. n/t

[LiberalLovinLug]

63. And the longer he stays in office, the more 'normal' getting away with shit becomes.

I would not even doubt that IF he stole his way into another victory, by the end of his eight year term, he would have consolidated power to such a degree with loyalty pledgers, in every possible authority position, that he COULD, and probably WOULD just to prove he can...shoot someone on 5th avenue.

I can see it now. A whole TV production by Fox News which will be the only news network left on TV. Maybe the Sinclair group will have their own by then, or the rising America First movement who are even more extreme. But a big production, where some undocumented immigrant who was one of the very few that had been convicted of murdering or raping a good white American citizen, in a Red border state, would face a grinning Donald wearing some military garb rife with fake medals waving one of the most controversial semi automatic military style weapons.

[philf99]

3. I am dubious

He talked about grabbing a woman by the pussy and still got elected president.

I am not sure what he could do to lose the support of the idiots who voted for him.

[ElementaryPenguin]

5. I think this might be one of the ways he could lose much of his moron support.

Lots of people have daughters. (not that you'd have to to be disgusted - but Trump supporters don't seem capable of empathizing with any issues they can't relate closely with.

[MontanaMama]

55. I believe most deplorables would gladly hand their daughters over

to MF45 if it meant keeping him in power. He will not lose an ounce of support if evidence ties him to Epstein.

[stillcool]

66. they'd be so proud..

[shanny]

11. even in Alabama Roy Moore lost

to a Democrat....just sayin'

[irisblue]

23. Because WOC beat Moores' sclerotic behind

Source-https://www.newsweek.com/doug-jones-roy-moore-alabama-senate-race-special-election-results-demographics-746366

Snip-"Ninety-eight percent of black women voted for Jones, while 63 percent of white women voted for Moore. About 30 percent of white voters overall chose Jones, CNN reported."

[shanny]

85. well yeah

even in Alabama victimizing young girls was not a winning position. the point is even bigoted white people can reach a tipping point...some of them

[Doitnow]

36. My favorite candidate is not Harris, but a secret wish of mine is

for a black woman to beat tRump.

[shanny]

86. that would be sweet, wouldn't it?

[Mach1miles]

35. Agree.

The legislature’s refusal to clean up the voting system leaves a lot to luck on our part. If things look close we are screwed. I stopped I to my local BOE and asked questions about our new machines and the process. He said he was confident with the voting machines but when he pointed at the machine that would transmit the votes his comment was ‘that is what he was uncertain of’. We bought new machines from a company that was found guilty of vote tampering last election! How stupid do they have to be? It makes me physically ill!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

49. needed: paper ballots, public counting

[Mach1miles]

69. It's so funny...

Our new machines print out the recorded vote, names, issues etc., like a cash register receipt in English. But at the top of the receipt the voted names are transcribed into bar codes. Who the heck knows what that code actually means. So stupid. Then the receipt is run through a reader and the barcodes are read. Every vote would have to be manually counted to know the true outcome. The folks at the BOE Were totally unfazed. When we got black box voting I resigned from working the polls. I couldn’t promise the people that their vote would be seen and counted. I still stop by and ask questions and follow through with current voting issues. They think I’m crazy but I certainly don’t care.

[Mach1miles]

72. Yup, and the BOE...too stupid to know. nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

74. electronics means fast count, but unverifiable

We've traded publicly verifiable elections for a fast number spit out by electronic devices. The number means nothing if the public can't verify where it comes from.

[Mach1miles]

83. Yes..

During our Kerry recount I got to be an observer. When we arrived at the BOE they had already chosen which precincts we would be recounting. It took my breath away! I had figured that would be a random pull in front of the observers. I was a volunteer for the Greens and felt uncomfortable questioning but no one else spoke up. Either the board is in on it or ignorant. Not sure which.

[usaf-vet]

103. It is not who votes that counts it's WHO COUNTS the votes.

[Mach1miles]

68. We've seen a lot.

So many people pay zero attention. Like your comments, maybe it is similar to putting a frog in cold water and slowly bringing it to a boil. Many don’t notice.

[Funtatlaguy]

28. And mocked someone with cerebral palsy

To me that was the worst thing showing he’s a sociopath with no feelings

[Doitnow]

37. Ditto

[KY_EnviroGuy]

60. Has to be something that relates to their wallets.

I think we need to pound them relentlessly with the fallacy of the tax bill, the consumer costs of his tariffs, the losses of quality jobs across the nation, threats to social security, Medicare and Medicaid, and overall increasing health care costs.

Those will get their attention, then pound them again with a side of the moral stuff.... ....

[BigmanPigman]

81. He may lose the white female voters

who still have a heart.

[Grammy23]

4. I'm with you on that, Aristus.

I just want him out of the White House, out of DC, out of office. Once he is booted from the office, if any entity wants to pursue prosecution, that’s fine with me. But first, get him out. The longer he is there, the more damage he does.

[smb]

8. I Don't Care If He's Brought Down For Jaywalking...

...as long as he's brought down.

[Grasswire2]

9. he must be rendered penniless and powerless...........

...because he lives for revenge.

His followers would like nothing more than to rise up and give him continued power.

"Going away" is never going to happen. This is a cult of personality, of the worst kind.

[TheBlackAdder]

10. I wonder if his sons participated.

[redstatebluegirl]

14. How do evangelicals support this guy???

They claim they are for family values and look at this guy and all the people he surrounds himself with? This is why I left organized religion yeas ago. These people are pedophiles!!!!!

[Aristus]

17. I've been waiting for years to be able to say this, ever since one of them said I wasn't a 'real'

Christian because I was Methodist:

Evangelicals are not real Christians. They are cult members with Jesus Christ nominally at the head of their beliefs, but really only using him as a popular public face for a demented hate-cult more closely resembling demonic possession.

[mopinko]

20. jesus is just another head man.

authoritarians are throw backs, evolutionarily, imho.
still stuck one step above following the big chimp, mindlessly, cuz war.

[cannabis_flower]

31. I've also heard..

them say Catholics are not real Christians. Excuse me, Catholics were the first Christians!

[sdfernando]

48. THIS

I also have a close friend that escaped that cult. He has been saying the same for ages now.

[PatrickforO]

94. Now you're talkin'.

I like the cut of your jib!

[Elwood P Dowd]

18. Because they're all liars, hypocrites, fakes, etc. just like Trump. (nt)

[uponit7771]

98. AMEN!!

[lagomorph777]

50. Evilgelicals need to hear a simple message: "Trump is a demonic monster."

That pretty well sums it up and might even reach a few Evilgelicals.

[Thekaspervote]

77. Oh you mean the EVILGELICALS right??!! There's nothing christian or moral about any of them

Many are traitors to boot

[47of74]

99. Because they want to dominate and control others

And use Jesus Christ as a tool to get power to do so.

They don’t give a fuck about his teachings.

[cilla4progress]

24. Even better!

Take that, blind fundies!

DISCLAIMER: not to revel in the heinous demonic crimes he and his international cabal have committed.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

26. Only a HUGE Alimony buyout will make Melania leave.....

How she stands this horrible man is beyond me. Being accustomed to the lifestyle that $$$$$$$ buys is another form of slavery, in my opinion, married or not.

Money doesn't buy happiness, Melania. Having PURPOSE and knowing what you want to do with your life does.

[leftieNanner]

32. And I believe that this is why

We haven't heard a peep out of wives 1 and 2. Their continued wealthy lifestyle is supported by a strong NDA.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

34. Just another form of Slavery.....

Thou shalt not speak ill of the Donald, even if it is the truth, or the $$$$$$$ dries up.

[leftieNanner]

39. Slavery - perfect description

Although, I would bet that if the $$$ dried up, they would sing like birds and write tell-all books.

I will say that The Donald has been very good for the publishing industry!

[Doitnow]

38. You don't have to wear chains to be a slave.

[yuiyoshida]

27. This...

[Polly Hennessey]

30. Works for me.

Whatever it takes to rid ourselves of the demented moron named tRump.

[pecosbob]

42. Get up to speed...the sex-trafficking was for blackmail...as well as for money and sex

but mostly for blackmail...kompromat for Donald's real best buds, the Russian mob. Epstein was bankrolled by Bear Stearns, laundromat for the Russian mafia. The sex-trafficking was simply one part of his relationship with Russia.

[AllaN01Bear]

43. if a democrat did something like this , ohm my goodness. jaumpain jehosapahat

[WePurrsevere]

102. True but a major difference between Rs & Ds is...

Rs embrace criminal POS when it's their own, Ds don't. We chew them up and spit them out for being the toxic slime someone like this is. Heck, some of us do it even if there's just a waft of possible odor.

[Rabrrrrrr]

45. I partly agree, but in many ways, don't.

Yes, I'd love to see him in prison for any of the many reasons that he might have to be there.

But if he goes for sex trafficking and/or pedophilia, then the MAGA hats will have an easy excuse for supporting him by saying "That's stuff he did in secret - we had no way of knowing."

Donald going to jail for collusion et. al. doesn't give his supporters an out for supporting him, because all that shit was obvious even before the election. Of course, they would still say "We didn't know", but they'll have a more difficult time convincing people of their ignorance than if Donald goes for pedophilia.

Either way, he's in jail and the world is a better place.

But I don't want to give his supporters any reason to be able to back off their support of him - I want them to have to stew in the juices of their unethical choice to support him. Let them live with the guilt.

(though the average MAGA head isn't gonna feel guilty for anything, even were Donald to be brought to the Hague for war crimes or some other serious thing; but I hope you all get my point).

But yeah, I'll dance when he goes to jail and I don't care what the reason is.

[True Dough]

57. "Grab 'em by the pussy"

revealed his character before the election. It's not equivalent to sex trafficking/pedophelia, but it was considered repulsive by anyone with morals.

[pansypoo53219]

46. the orange pecker + his pecker certainly need to pay.

[lagomorph777]

51. ...and may he take the Repervert Party down with him.

[Freethinker65]

53. Acosta will take the fall. Barr will protect everyone else

Or at least offer protection in exchange for favors

[tandem5]

56. They're not likely to be mutually exclusive topics. This is not money for sex...

If Trump and Epstein were hosting parties for the rich and powerful where no monetary transaction is taking place and it's just offered as a "perk" then it's likely a blackmail operation coordinated either directly or indirectly by a foreign power.

[NotASurfer]

58. Once he's in jail for any reason, plenty of time to dig into the other reasons and add time

If he dies...brick up the cell and leave his remains for the rest of his sentence. Descendant DJ Trump XIV can claim them when released

[ananda]

59. That's fine with me too!

nt

[roamer65]

61. With Dump, Russia and sex trafficking are tied.

That is the kompromat on him. Why else did he hang around over there so much?

[VOX]

62. Whatever works.

At this point, no other elected official alive (and certainly not a Democrat) could have withstood what’s been thrown at 45 these past 2 1/2 years. It’s really more of a testament to the the abetting/enabling/covering powers of the right wing. Mitch McConnell and his crew decided that a dose of fascism is just what America needed. So far, they like what they’ve gotten from their Neanderthal figurehead: judges aplenty, good old money, and a bully pulpit to beat the band.

[Skittles]

76. I believe the pedophillia and sex trafficking is linked to the collusion with Russia

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absolutely

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

80. Works for me.

I don't much care what they get him for as long as they get him. But sex trafficking and sexual abuse of minors might be a little harder for the GOPers to ignore - they'll have to at least pretend they think those things are bad, while it's obvious they don't give a crap about Trump's shenanigans with Russia.

[warmfeet]

84. At this point,

I am okay with any means of removal.

The damage to our country is piling up day by day.

At what point do we say enough is enough?

[liberal N proud]

87. As long as he rots in jail

[Blue Owl]

88. Bring it

For the love of god please bring it...

[bdamomma]

89. Cut it off

if they can find it.

[Grokenstein]

96. I'm cool with that too, BUT

...we still have to deal with the fact that the Republicans are just as TOTALLY OKAY with Russian interference as they are with the kiddie-diddlers among them.

[anarch]

100. I've basically accepted that there is no such thing as justice or the rule of law

not anymore, thanks to the long-term efforts of the GOP. And it really never applied to the rich/privileged class anyway.

So, frankly I don't even care where the orange bastard goes, as long as he goes away.

[Sherman A1]

101. Believe it when I see it

And not before.

The rules that the rest of us must adhere to simply do not apply to the wealthy.

[toddwv]

104. Why not both?

[Yavin4]

105. Nothing. Will. Bring. Trump. Down. except the 2020 election

and even that is a little dicey.

[dlk]

110. Whatever it Takes, as Long as He is Locked Up for the Remainder of His Unnatural Life

Remember, Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion.

[Scurrilous]

112. ...