Let's face it. We're living in a society that devalues women.

[onecaliberal]

Women have been fighting for the right to be equal members of society for centuries.
Our wages are lower for equal or comparable duties in employment. If we’re not white it’s even worse.
We are not allowed to make healthcare decisions about our own body in all circumstances. Doctors are threatened with prison or worse for helping women.
We are exploited by men for their pleasure. We are blamed for how we dress or behave when violated. The media has influenced society to think that it is normal.

[Mach1miles]

1. It is becoming more and more apparent.

Even today at the women’s soccer team celebration...The ‘man’ stood up and said that the US spends more on it’s women teams than any other country. Who gives a fat rats ass? Are women paid less than the men? Solve that problem and then get back to us. If they were going to fix the problem, today would have been the day to do it.

[onecaliberal]

2. Winning men's teams are now paid 1.2 million. Women are paid 250,000

Maybe it’s because of the trauma in my own life. I’m distraught and angry about so much happening right now.

[Mach1miles]

25. These are tough times for sure.

Helpless and hopeless but so far we live outside the cage.

[onecaliberal]

26. Which is why we have to fight so much harder for those living inside the cage.

[Mach1miles]

28. Yes...

[LeftTurn3623]

8. Can I ask a question without getting yelled at?

Of course I believe in equal pay.

But I want to ask a question and I’m on vacation and can’t research. My friend said and I don’t know if this is not true.

But said that men’s soccer pays more because it generates more revenue. Sponsorships - advertising... etc. if this is true than it makes sense. Sports pay goes by revenue. Maybe this is not the case.

I mean Alex Morgan makes more in endorsements than I bet any men’s USA soccer player other than maybe Pulisic. That’s how sports works.


It’s why MLS players get paid less than NBA players. It’s driven by revenue.


Now maybe more money is being made under women’s soccer and they should be paid more than the men. Sports isn’t really equal

[Mach1miles]

10. See post #2...

Quite the disparity. If you are going to look at revenue you will have to look at advertising and field preference times and costs of men coaches instead of women. Expense vs income on both teams.

But to your question about getting yelled at. Women are getting pretty tired of sucking hind tit. Make all of the excuses you need. Don’t expect to get yelled at. Change will come either way.

[onecaliberal]

11. Sorry but that doesn't matter. /END

[Dream Girl]

33. Umm yes it kinda does. Sports is a business. It's all about the benjamins

Women’s soccer does not bring in the revenue so why should they get paid the same? This is not a charitable nonprofit. Yes our women’s team is the greatest women’s team in the world. But there are a number of other factors to consider. US Women’s soccer is much farther along than women’s soccer in most countries. US men’s soccer not so much. So it’s not surprising that they are so strong compared to other women’s teams. Our women’s team also has a great deal of continuity because many of them have played together for years and years. The US men’s team not so much in fact many are US citizens but not necessarily “Americans” they play on the national team when the time comes and then go on their merry way. Again, there is far” less continuity. So yes the women’s team is great, but they have many advantages. Interesting when the US women’s team played the US men’s U16, they lost. So it’s not as simple as sexism. Ok I’m bracing myself to get yelled at. Fire away!

[58Sunliner]

38. Show me the facts and figures. The benjamins.

[cwydro]

32. CNN reported that the women's team brought in more revenue.

So, there ya go.

[Dream Girl]

35. Depends on how you define revenue. Most teams in soccer generate the greatest share of revenue from

From sponsorships. Think Manu and Barca. Ticket sales and even advertising are a tiny portion of what they haul in. I’m sure there was a ton of ad revenue generated from the women’s World Cup. But sponsorships not so much. I would imagine US women’s soccer pulls in lots of ticket sales too, maybe more than men’s soccer, but it’s not that simple.

[cwydro]

37. True enough.

I can’t speak with any real knowledge about it. I know how big men’s soccer is in other countries. It’s huge.

I’m not that much of a fan really.

[cwydro]

3. Surely you're not just learning this?

Sadly, I’ve known it since I’ve had rational thought.

[Mach1miles]

27. Naw... I used to think we had a shot at equality.

Now I find myself verbalizing every injustice that I see trying to help the men in my life see what a shit storm this is. Things are getting worse though. Men used to go to jail for rape now, it’s blame the woman and a slap on the wrist.

[Initech]

4. I personally blame religion.

The US isn't a blatantly religious society like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or India is, but our religious fundamentalists really aren't that much different from theirs. And the more vile and toxic they get with their religion, the more likely they are to commit some extremely vile and foul acts using their religion as an excuse. Just look at Brett Kavanaugh for instance and all the torture and abuse of women he got away with, but it's OK because he's Christian and the Christian fundamentalists will support any POS like that as long as he says what they want to hear.

[SHRED]

6. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism

3 pillars of patriarchy.

Patriarchy that has caused untold damage.

[whathehell]

12. Asian & African societies with other traditional religions are as Patriarchal

as the others.

[SHRED]

14. Yup

[MicaelS]

7. I am a Christian....

And agree with you100%.

[whathehell]

19. Of course you do..

but what should be obvious is that patriarchal societies developed patriarchal religions, not the other way around..

It's really not that comiicated. Men began dominating women because they COULD. They had a physical advantage over us and used it. building an entire social/economic and cultural system around it. A power dynamic, pure and simple.

[Initech]

29. I think it's one of those "one wouldn't exist without the other" scenarios.

We wouldn't have toxic religion if it weren't for toxic patriarchy, and we wouldn't have toxic patriarchy if it weren't for toxic religion. But the toxic part is what is alarming to me. Toxic anything is not good for any society.

[whathehell]

43. I don't think religion needs toxic patriarchy

or toxic "anything", really.

[CrispyQ]

30. Man created God to control woman.

They even co-opted the birth process and crafted Eve from one of Adam's ribs.

[whathehell]

42. Uh Huh.

[CousinIT]

5. Utter indifference and propagation of sexual & reproductive slavery. n/t

[whathehell]

9. Do you know of any that do not?

This is a World Problem.

[BigmanPigman]

20. Yes, and has been promoted by men in all religions and govts

for several thousand years. This will not be un-done in our life times. It goes too far back and ingrained into every part of our lives without us even realizing it.

[whathehell]

22. Exactly..

I agree with just about everything you've said.

[raccoon]

41. Thank you! Nt

[bdamomma]

13. This degrading of women

has to end, I wonder if we took away Cialis from them or even better cut it off. They would treat women with some respect and dignity.

[KT2000]

15. recently learned something

that opened my eyes. I have two women close to me who were raised by parents who thought girls were useless. One was really poor growing up and she was used as a maid. The boys got more food and real beds to sleep in and she did not. In high school her mother made her pay for her food but not the boys. The mother never used her name, but rather called her "girl."

The other woman was not poor but she was likewise treated as the maid. Her parents often mentioned their preference for the boys. She too had to pay for her food while she was in school so she left the home. Her sister stayed and accepted her inferior status for the rest of her life.

These women, like all those raised the same, were denied love. The ones I know grew up to be ardent feminists. So many others though may be against equal rights because they were raised to be inferior and think of themselves that way. They are afraid of equality because they don't know what that is. We have to understand that there are more of these women than we would like to admit.

[onecaliberal]

34. Good observation. I am very independent as a result of my experience although it was at the hands

Of a step father, and complicit mother.

[warmfeet]

16. How about

we elect women to public office.

Presidents Of The United States, Senators, Congress people, Judges, and State and Local offices.

Let's do it. Let's change the narrative.

Use the power of the vote. What's it for if it's not used?

Elect women to public office, it's way past time in this country and in this world.

[onecaliberal]

23. I'm down. I voted for a woman POTUS in 2016. My senators are both women.

[efhmc]

17. Devaluing is such a nice word.

Demeaning, degrading, debasing, degrading... I think you get my drift.

[onecaliberal]

24. Those words and so many more.

[BigmanPigman]

18. This has been going on for several thousand years

in almost all societies and cultures, religions and governments are misogynistic. It will take a very, very long time to change the situation since it is so deeply rooted around the globe and in all societies. It most likely will take just as long to un-do thousands of years of brainwashing by male leaders in all professions, govts and religions.

[saidsimplesimon]

21. True that

It's not normal.

[CrispyQ]

31. We are a species at war with itself.

Or rather, one side has declared war on the other, and the other side is trying to survive.

[onecaliberal]

39. Men are not subjugated like women for the most part.

[Yavin4]

36. I would add children as well. n/t

[58Sunliner]

40. Yeah, devalues is just the tip of the rotten whole.