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[sheshe2]

1. No. She is not.

Here you are comparing Pelosi to Boehner. WTF!

Nancy ought to give boehner a call

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. I started to alert on that part of the OP, but

You called it out in the first post, so I think that pulls the teeth on it.



I'm a little frustrated with the pace and publicity of investigations, but that comparison is ludicrous and offensive.

[joshdawg]

68. Pelosi is correct when she says that infighting needs

to be within the party and not in the news media, especially twitter and facebook.
And, BTW, AOC is wrong.
just sayin'.

[sheshe2]

2. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez leads sit-in at Nancy Pelosi's office before being sworn-in to Congress

https://www.salon.com/2018/11/13/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-leads-sit-in-at-nancy-pelosis-office-before-being-sworn-in-to-congress/

[DURHAM D]

36. AOC is more performance artist than anything.

Starting out with a protest followed by attacking other members of her own party that are not pure enough for her is not an indication that she has any actual long term plans.
I noticed today that one of the other members of her "squad" is trying to put distance between them.

I think we have some returnees from JPR.

[sheshe2]

41. She is out of control.

Read she is talking to Hollywood, Did so before she was sworn in.

Hey, do you have a link to that member backing away? You can PM me. Late and have to go soon.

Thanks, Durham.

[DURHAM D]

44. I saw a short clip on tv today

of Congresswoman Pressley. A reporter caught her in the hallway and tried to get her to trash Pelosi. She would not and said something about working together, common goal, etc.

Pressley is not an attention whore.

[sheshe2]

47. I was hoping it was Pressley.

She is not my rep, but from Ma. I like her.

AOC may be losing her squad.

Thanks.

[kcr]

50. I agree. I think Pressley is pulling away.

She's too smart for that bunch.

[sheshe2]

53. I watched her face the night she won.

Shock and joy. I really like her and glad she is moving to serve the people that elected her and does not feel the need to seek the spotlight.

Thanks kcr.

[dem4decades]

3. Nope. AOC is wrong. Pelosi is the leader, freshmen should follow the leader.

[UniteFightBack]

7. Come on now...she's been on the job for 6 months - she knows it all. nt

[Ace Rothstein]

85. Nah, we aren't part of a cult.

[backscatter712]

4. AOC is right. The Democratic Party is useful, and I support is so long as it stands for the people.

And AOC's doing a much better job of that than Pelosi.

I'm fed up with the centrists telling us "Well, if the Nazis want to put six million in ovens, and you want zero, you should compromise at 3 million."

[UniteFightBack]

6. What exactly has she done? She is there 6 months. Get a GRIP. nt

[gtar100]

13. Agreed

So glad we have people like AOC on our side because she stands up for many of the principles I believe in too. Glad I'm not alone in that sentiment here.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

72. You are NOT alone... AOC stands on principles I strongly favor. She's awesome!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[sheshe2]

54. What exactly has she accomplished?

She has been there a few months and she is doing better than Pelosi? Seriously?

backscatter712

4. AOC is right. The Democratic Party is useful, and I support is so long as it stands for the people.

The Democratic party is useful? Okay and when you deem it no longer useful? To whom? You? The People? The nation, then what are your plans when we Dems are no longer useful to you?

You opened the topic and I would love to read your response.

[rusty quoin]

71. She has brought the discussion back to the left. I think that's important.

After what the hell is this....since Reagan, the Democratic Party has leaned to the right..

She is the beginning of a realignment. She is not your enemy.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

73. Tru dat!! AOC rocks!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[dem4decades]

76. I find your comparison offensive.

[FoxNewsSucks]

5. I notice that no one has yet

pointed out where AOC is wrong. Nancy Pelosi most certainly has experience, and has made a fool of MF45 several times, but it's time to move with the future of the party.

Also, isn't it accurate to say that Speaker Pelosi admonished the liberals to not whine on twitter about her whining about them in the NY Times?

[melman]

9. That's because they can't

and yes, that is certainly accurate.

[sheshe2]

11. Post the whole image, melman.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212265352

Fundraising off a quote from Maureen Dowd.

Pelosi did not say it. Maureen did.

credit ehrnst.

[melman]

15. That is the whole image, she

Do you think the screenshot in that post is the only place that image exists?



It's not.

[sheshe2]

18. Well then.

Guess it was edited by AOC's crew to fund raise.

It is not truthful and sad that here team is doing this.

She is better than this.

[DURHAM D]

40. Is she? nt

[sheshe2]

45. Well.

Would like to believe she is.

[sheshe2]

10. Here ya go.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212265352

Fundraising on a quote from Maureen Dowd and attributed to Pelosi.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Yes, this round of chaos might not have started at the top but it was escalated there

You want unity? Don’t hand Maureen Dowd a Dems in Disarray column.

[UniteFightBack]

49. I agree, Pelosi should not be admonishing and then engaging her own damn self. However, she is

human and today she got back on track and will not discuss this further. Everybody else needs to follow suit...but of course that won't happen.

[Cha]

57. Pelosi asked them to come to her if they "have a complaint

.. don't tweet about it"

Link to tweet

I'd like to know what is wrong with that?

Nancy was standing up for these Dems against what AOC's aide tweeted.

Link to tweet

Nancy Pelosi want to Win the House in 2020 like she helped make happen in 2018 with the BlueWave..

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

74. BIIIIINNGOOO!!!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[qazplm135]

81. probably the part where she calls Pelosi a racist

but you do you.

[LanternWaste]

84. Simply open your eyes. Then you'll notice it.

Or keep them them shut.

Your choice... much as your inaccurate usage of 'whine' in place of something substantial.

"Made a fool of..." indeed.

[Loki Liesmith]

8. Lol no

[mr_liberal]

14. Suicide Squad. nt

[betsuni]

16. "Nancy ought to give Boehner a call" Why? What does that mean?

[Cha]

17. The OP is insulting Nancy Pelosi and he's

Wrong.

[sheshe2]

19. No shit!

I won't even say what this reminds me of, Cha.

[betsuni]

24. I take a little bit of umbrage.

It's not even a good insult.

[Cha]

37. Yeah, it's

thoughtless.

[sheshe2]

20. I would love to here that explanation as well, betsuni.

Oh, and the American flag?!

[betsuni]

27. The flag: mind games.

[sheshe2]

32. Umhmm.

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I am so tired of the games.

We have a maniac, a corrupt cartel in the White House and this is what we get from supposed Dems?

[sheshe2]

21. I would love to here that explanation as well, betsuni.

Oh, and the American flag?!

[betsuni]

34. I don't know about Boehner well enough to know why you'd say Nancy should call him.

I guess you do. I know he cries a lot and likes merlot and that's about it.

[lapucelle]

22. The LA Times said the group gave itself the name "the sqaud".

Much is being made in Washington this week about a tussle between Pelosi and a cadre of progressive first-termers in her caucus — the self-deemed “Squad” of Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.)

You forgot to mention that they are also the only four people disparaging other members of the caucus on twitter and threatening them with primaries. One of them even has a staff member doing the same.

If anything, it is the "persistent singling out" of members who are sowing division in the caucus, not the singling out of newly elected women of color.

There are 43 women of color in the Democratic caucus, including 14 new members.

Why should Speaker Pelosi give John Boehner a call? What for?

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ol-nancy-pelosi-aoc-the-squad-dispute-20190711-story.html

[melman]

25. I see you forgot about Mark Pocan

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

51. The Problem Solvers Caucus is a bi-partisan group. Pocan used to be a member.

[sheshe2]

60. ;)

[Cha]

28. The "squd"?

Link to tweet

And, Jahana Hayes! And, all those beautiful WOC you talked about in your post, lapucelle:

[lapucelle]

31. Thanks. Fixed.

[Cha]

39. lol.. I thought

that's what they really called themselves until I read your message part. Darn!

[mcar]

89. Didn't AOC campaign against Sharise Davies?

[sheshe2]

29. Aaah.

They named themselves the squad. One hit ruled out. Boom.

All these years Pelosi never singled out women of color. Never once to my knowledge and here we have accusations flying and false ads to fund raise off a false quote attributed to the speaker of the house.

Hmmm. You have to ask yourself who the real target is here. You have to wonder, why, where and who is driving this forward. Pretty sure I know.

[lapucelle]

61. So Speaker Pelosi did not disparage the group by referring to it as "the squad",

Ilhan Omar is not as progressive as Speaker Pelosi, and there are 14 new members who are women of color and only one is complaining on social media about the apocryphal "persistent singling out of progressive women of color".

Ah yes, and that sole complainer has a staff member who is taking to social media to compare Democratic caucus members to 1940's segregationists and to threaten to primary House members who won't vote the way he wants them to vote. A staff member.

It really isn't hard to see what the problem is here.

[betsuni]

64. +1

[sheshe2]

65. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Pressley is backing away.

She can stand or fall on her own. Her choice.

[myohmy2]

30. so...

...is it Progressive women of color?

...

[lapucelle]

46. Omar Ilhan is not as progressive as Speaker Pelosi.

Nancy Pelosi is Hard-Core Liberal


Ilhan Omar is a Populist-Leaning Liberal

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

[betsuni]

48. I love it when you post those things.

[mcar]

91. Me too!

[sheshe2]

63. ...

[ProfessorPlum]

83. who pulled that chart out of their behind?

it looks like something a rightwinger dreamed up. Pelosi is an effective leader, but she is not so far left on economic issues.

[lapucelle]

98. On the Issues.org

https://ontheissues.org/House/Ilhan_Omar.htm

https://bit.ly/2NOJPI3

[aidbo]

90. Bullshit chart is bullshit.

[lapucelle]

96. No, actually. It's data based.

It would not be surprising if what a layman perceives based on story lines and narratives from self-selected (and often bias-confirming) sources doesn't line up with what a data analyst determines based on a careful, thorough, and objective examination of a politician's actual record.

https://bit.ly/2NOJPI3

[Celerity]

101. +10000

[highplainsdem]

23. No, AOC isn't right. Pelosi is. AOC should be ashamed of herself for suggesting Pelosi is

racist. That's exactly what she was doing with her comment about Pelosi singling out "women of color."

Pelosi gave us a Democratic majority in the House again.

If AOC keeps this up, she'll make maintaining that Democratic majority much more difficult.

[Cha]

33. Excellent post, highplainsdem.. Thank YOu!

Link to tweet

And, Jahana Hayes. and more beautiful WOC in the House.

Link to tweet

Nancy Does Want to Win the House Again..

[ripcord]

93. AOC is being thin skinned and hypocritical

She constantly criticises other democrats and has even tried to primary those who don't meet her standards but as soon as someone criticises her she gets all butthurt.

[emmaverybo]

42. AOC needs to tend to her district with more dedication and diligence. It is hard to become

an overnight political rockstar, I would think, but “in dreams begin responsibilities.”

[quickesst]

43. AOC should grow up

The words she used against Nancy Pelosi were meant to hurt and shame an honorable person of stellar character who did not deserve it. It was a childish act.

[SixString]

52. Glad that AOC is on OUR side.

[Thekaspervote]

58. On our side??? With non team players that are in it to fund raise and make trouble.

I wouldn’t say that’s on our side

[SixString]

66. ...

The Old Guard

The time has come to say goodnight (Say goodnight)
The time has come to say goodbye (Goodbye!)
To the old guard!
Goodnight, goodbye
To the old guard!
Goodnight, goodbye
Yeah!

Witness the setting sun
The tables have been turned
We will not suffer their reprise (suffer reprise!)
A brave new voice rings out
Intense, fearless, devout
A listless body now revived

Old stories fit with retreads
Half-truths with truth left unsaid
Each time their lips moved we heard lies
So now it's time to say goodbye

To the old guard, goodnight, goodbye
To the old guard, goodnight, goodbye, yeah
To the old guard, tonight we sing
To the old guard, goodnight, goodbye, yeah

Witness the setting sun (the sun!)
This century's crash and burn (and burn!)
Autocracy dethroned by ire commissar doused in fire
Make note a million times
Their class war, deceit, lies
Their compassion laced with despise, yeah

All of the hatred they bred
All the division they spread
We always knew they lived on lies
So now it's time to say goodbye

To the old guard, goodnight, goodbye
To the old guard, goodnight, goodbye
To the old guard, tonight we sing
To the old guard, goodnight, goodbye

Bear witness to this setting sun
(Bear witness to this setting sun)
The dawning of a new age has begun
(The new age now has just begun)
From east to west we watch this setting sun
The dawning of a new age has begun
And it's time, it's time to say goodbye

To the old guard, tonight we sing
To the old guard, goodnight, goodbye, yeah
To the old guard, tonight we sing
To the old guard, goodnight, goodbye
Goodnight, goodbye!
Goodnight, goodbye!
Goodnight, goodbye!
Goodnight, goodbye!
Goodnight, goodbye!

[Cha]

69. That has Nothing to do with what is going on here..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[dem4decades]

77. Her public attack on Pelosi make the Republicans and Russian trolls

Happy too. The other side wants nothing more than a wedge issue to divide Democrats. And they especially like to use race as a wedge issue, as they did in 2016.

I would prefer if a freshman representative not provide ammo for them.

[PatrickforO]

56. Right or wrong aside, this is not good for Pelosi and the leadership.

Out here beyond the beltway, particularly in my kids' generation, people are looking for some aggressive action. Pelosi seems to be dragging her feet.

Her public castigation of these four young women will probably backfire.

Democratic party leaders need to remember they lead at the sufferance of the base, and the base is getting restless, hungry for action. Same-old, same-old hasn't gotten us anywhere and our situation is the worst it has ever been.

Trump is about to order ICE to round up a million people, for God's sake! Just like the fucking nazis did when they were in power. I'd say that's pretty dire.

The fucking private for-profit concentration camps are dire.

Climate change is dire.

Healthcare is dire.

These credible rape accusations against Trump are dire.

We need movement forward, and we don't seem to be going anywhere. It's gotten ugly because these new kids are not afraid to get ugly. They will turn on the Democratic leadership if it doesn't seem like they are getting any action.

When will we get serious?

As to AOCs staffer - he needs to publicly apologize. But then it is done. Because we cannot cloud these dire issues and the urgency of winning in 2020 with shit like this. It's gonna be another stupid circular firing squad. The republicans stay on point no matter what. That's why they win.

We don't. We rip each other's guts out and in the meantime are giving an operational message of cowardice to an entire younger generation of voters.

I don't disagree with these four women, or with the millions and millions of millennials who are engaged by people like AOC.

[stopdiggin]

67. public infighting is damaging, no matter how many justifications

"Her public castigation of these four young women will probably backfire."
But see, that's the problem. There has been no public castigation. The fact that AOC is "offended" is a feature of her own device. If someone is picking a fight, it's coming from that quarter. It is a) not terribly smart (freshman member initiates public spat with the Speaker), and b) it IS divisive and damaging to the party (if AOC happens to CARE about such things)

[Thekaspervote]

75. The house has passed 100 some bills that the gopeee senate refuses to even look at

Even if they did do you think dotard would sign them??!! What is it you think the house leadership can do more than they already are..seriously

[leftstreet]

59. DURec

[infinite_wisdom]

70. AOC was out of line here...

but Pelosi has not handled the left wing of her party very well. She's been rude, condescending and dismissive.

"The Green Dream or whatever" - really? She lost me with that comment.

Pelosi is smart and has done a lot of good things but at this point just seems to have lost focus on what the party is all about. She's caught up in the trappings of her position a bit too much, surrounded by monied people too much. It's wine and cheese when the D's need to be getting tough.

She is not wielding her power wisely. Sternly worded letters and statements just bring cackles of laughter from the MAGAs.

I just don't think she gets it anymore.

But yeah, AOC needs to tone it down a bit. Or at least focus that rage where it belongs - on the Republicans.

[George II]

99. She has been none of those. She has been very patient, all the way back when they organized....

....that demonstration outside her office just days after the November election. She's been patient with the anti-Semitic comments, the "now we're going to impeach the motherfucker", etc.

Her patience is wearing thin, and those who cross the Speaker had better tread lightly.

PS - wonder what Pelosi will do when she finds out that her chief of staff, Chakrabarti, made a video about an Indian Nazi collaborator?

[beachbum bob]

78. playing the race card is a huge mistake that is why, thats what people do when they have a losing

position.

The kids been coloring outside the lines and Mama Pelosi doing what she needs to do

[watoos]

79. Pelosi and AOC are both wrong,

AOC's staffer needs to apologize.

Both Pelosi and AOC have aired their differences in public.

No Pelosi is not blameless, I watched her on TV hold up a glass of water and state that AOC's district is so blue that a glass of water could have won that district. You tell me that wasn't a hurtful jab in public by Pelosi at AOC.

We all know that Pelosi wanted Crowley to win but AOC outworked him, went door to door. Crowley was so arrogant that he didn't show up for one of the debates and it cost him.

Here's a news flash for Speaker Pelosi, yes AOC's district is very blue, here's something else it is, very diverse, maybe the most diverse district in the nation and her district loves her.

What has AOC done? She has brought new life into the Democratic party, she has brought new voters into the Democratic party. AOC is one of the hardest workers in the Democratic party. People who bash her must not have ever seen her in action when she gets to question people in House hearings, she comes prepared.

Speaker Pelosi made a huge mistake when she said that the "squad" only has 4 votes. We will see how many votes the "squad has when our nominees get whittled down to 2 or 3 people.

Crowley lost for a reason, in spite of voter turnout being suppressed, and by the way, suppressed voter turnout favors the incumbent.

[DeminPennswoods]

80. +1

nt

[Oregon1947]

82. Agreed!nm

...

[mcar]

86. Maybe you should read about our speaker

and her career as a liberal legislator before you go comparing her to a Republican.

[aidbo]

87. We need new leadership in both the house and senate.

[hlthe2b]

88. "...Nancy ought to give boehner a call..." ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I had no problem with your post until that....

[SidDithers]

92. AOC is a WOC when it's convenient for her...

she had no issues campaigning against WOC candidates in FL-07 and KS-03 during the 2018 Dem primaries.

Kansas and Florida are a long way away from New York.

Sid

[ehrnst]

100. +1000.

I also have observed that her characterizing herself as a "former barkeeper" (which was a second job, as well having a degree from Boston University and a job at a non-profit in advocacy) is convenient when it serves the "I'm one of the working class" narrative, but gets her very testy when any GOP troll on twitter uses that same characterization and dismisses her as "just a former bartender."

She states that she gives "zero F*cks" about what people say about her challenging and criticizing senior Democrats, and holds a protest outside leadership's office the very first day in office to publicly assert her disapproval over her anticipation that leadership would disappoint her on climate change (drawing not retribution from said leadership, but rather a tweet crediting her and younger leadership with the reinstatement of the select committee on climate, andan offer to be on the newly formed congressional committee on climate change - which AOC turned down)....

but the minute one of those senior Democrats merely rolls their eyes at the idea that a large twitter following is = to more influence while voting for legislation, AOC fumes and takes to twitter in outrage that someone could be so DISRESPECTFUL!

She wants influence, but when assigned to committees, which is how one get more influence, she claims she's just being given busy work as though that's not part of being a congresswoman

She wants to stand out, but at the same time gets very indignant at even the perception that she might be being singled out.

[ehrnst]

94. I disagree. I think something behind closed doors that didn't even mention names could hardly

be called "singling out newly elected women of color."

I remember when the GOP claimed that the reason Democrats didn't support the nomination of Alberto Gonzales was due to 'racism against an AG of color'

They must be pinching themselves now that a Democrat is calling Democratic leadership racist and sexist instead of them, and coming up on an election year, no less.

[MineralMan]

95. There's just one thing: Democrats in the House have to act as a group.

Otherwise, nothing gets done. Newly-elected progressives really do have to realize that not everyone is as "progressive" as they believe themselves to be.

We now have a Democratic majority in the House of Representatives. If all of those Democrats get along, we'll be able to do great things. If there is constant bickering over details, we won't. It's really that simple.

The new wave of progressives are a small minority in the Democratic Caucus. They aren't always going to get their way. Now, they represent districts that support their viewpoint to some degree, but not everyone in their districts feels the same way they do on every issue. Ignoring that, and ignoring the majority of the Democratic Caucus isn't going to be very productive.

There are more effective ways to put a progressive platform forward. I'd suggest that our newly-elected representatives look into some of those ways. There is another election coming up next November, and everyone will be running for re-election, including AOC and those who align with her closely.

[George II]

97. She said Pelosi singled out WOC, which is false. Pelosi didn't "single out" these freshman WOC:

Deb Haaland
Lauren Underwood
Jahana Hayes
Sharice Davids
Lucy McBath

She tried to play the race/gender card and she failed.