Summer advice for white people

[kpete]

[Cirque du So-What]

1. Opt for the orange instead

but not TOO orange, lest you make the fool jealous.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. Of course, IRL, she'd be laughing as she said it.

The majority of white women voters almost always pick Republicans in presidential elections, including 2016.

ETA: It would be more accurate to say "white women voters break for Republicans" or "more white women vote for Republicans than for Democrats" in most elections.

[CTyankee]

3. why do you think this is the case?

As a white woman, I am astounded when I read this. I would like to see the polling questions and how they are phrased. I would also like to see the sizes of these polls (i.e. the larger the poll, the smaller the margin of error and vice versa).

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. Because white privilege is a hell of a drug.

[Hekate]

17. That does not answer CT's reasonable question for data

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. I understood the question to be about why white women voters tend to pick Republicans.

[Hekate]

23. It's a nasty meme at DU. Why is that?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. Because in presidential elections, it's been true since 1952, except in 1964 and 1996.

[Hekate]

27. Analytical data from reputable sources, please. Tho you've already disputed Pew.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. I didn't dispute Pew. I acknowledged my wording was wrong when I said a majority of white

women voters picked for Trump. A plurality did, which means more white women voters picked Trump than Clinton.

Here's a chart that tracks what I'm talking about:



It's from this page: http://politicsofcolor.com/white-women-vote-republican/

It uses data from the American National Election Study.

[Blue_true]

44. Look, you can just as easily look the data up.

But that isn't your intention, IMO. The poster made a correct claim, White women as a group have consistently voted for the republican except maybe in maybe four of the last fifteen presidential elections dating back to 1960. Whenever women as a group have strongly voted for the democrat enough to help elect the democrat, it was because Black, Hispanic, Asian and American Indian women voted strongly enough to pull women into the plus category.

[smirkymonkey]

10. So am I. As a white women with a ton of white female friends and colleagues, almost all of whom are

Democrats, I am always shocked when I hear this. Maybe it's a regional thing.

[Hekate]

18. Maybe it is also a convenient & divisive untruth. Maybe even a half-truth. Whatever, it is offensive

The way it gets used around here is offensive as hell, and needs to be backed up with real data.

[smirkymonkey]

30. I agree. And it also bothers me the way they lump all "white women" together.

This is not true of well educated, urban white women, which is my demographic and that of most of my friends.

It is probably true of uneducated, rural, religious women who live in the south and mid west.

There are dozens of ways you could break this vote down, but we are not a monolith and I resent being lumped in with other white women whom I have nothing in common with other than the color of my skin.

[Blue_true]

46. I do business in the northeast.

The majority of educated White women vote republican, it becomes worst the wealthier they are.

[smirkymonkey]

50. Do you know the majority of educated white women in the northeast and how

they vote? Or do you just assume? I would actually like to see some statistics on that. It might be true in more rural/suburban areas, but I don't believe it's true in the cities.

[Blue_true]

55. Good point. The ones that I met. nt

[CTyankee]

36. Exit polls are always self selecting so I wonder about that. Are female Trump voters just more

defiant and want pollsters to know? What about these phone polls? I don't think I've been polled coming out of the voting place. I've had lots of phone polls where they don't ask me by name. I know polling is a science all by itself and I'd like to know more about them and the science behind them. As I said, I am skeptical of small polls.

[Blue_true]

45. I have had lots of White female colleagues during my time in corporate America.

My guess is that 100% of the degreed ones voted republican. The women that voted mostly democrat were the non religious, hourly wage women.

It is not a meme like one person in this thread insists upon claiming. It is a fact that I have directly witnessed.

[smirkymonkey]

51. Really, 100% of degreed white women have voted republican?

That is quite a claim you are making and in my experience you are quite wrong.

From Pew Research Center Fact Tank:

[Blue_true]

54. 100%. I lived it, you did not. I never met one that was a democrat. nt

[smirkymonkey]

57. That is ridiculous and you know it. There are hundreds if not thousands on this board alone.

And millions in this country. Ever looked at a photo of a women's march - all over the country? Notice all the white faces in those crowds opposing Trump and Republicans.

See below for the vote breakdown of educated white women in the 2016 election. I think that is a little less than 100%.

And who are you to say you lived it and I did not? I could show you a lot more graphs showing you how white women have become more Democratic and Progressive over the last few years, but you are just trolling at this point so I'm done with you.

:large

[Blue_true]

58. In my line of work, I never met a college educated democratic White woman.

Again, it is my life experience, I really don't care about your poll postings. I am in a technical field and am a businessperson, the White women that I meet are surprisingly and sadly conservative.

[smirkymonkey]

61. So you are saying that there are no college educated Democratic white women?

You are saying that I do not exist and the hundreds or more other Democratic CE white women on this board do not exist, nor do the thousands of women (many of whom were white) who have participated in the women's marches all over the nation protesting Trump and republican policies do not exist?

I agree with you that women of color are the backbone of the party, but I and others resent being told that we as white women are are part of the problem. There are millions of us who are die hard Democrats and always will be.

[Blue_true]

65. The White women that I meet and have met in business are conservatives.

Some of the stuff they believe is scary. That is my experience, yours is different. So be it. Maybe the ones that struggle one day will change their tune, but for now they are what they are. Black women have had to struggle from birth, even the wealthy ones, their politics reflect their life experiences.

I am not trying to dismiss women like you, 45% of White women's did vote for Hillary, that is a very massive number of people and if they didn't vote that way, democrats would have no chance of winning, even if 100% of African Americans voted democrat.

[Celerity]

47. not regional, national stats

While the white female vote is often closely split between the two major parties, white women have only voted more Democratic than Republican twice in the 17 U.S. Presidential elections since 1952 (in 1964 and 1996). Instead, it is the introduction and steady growth of minority voters in the U.S. electorate over the last six decades that drives higher overall proportions of female support for Democratic Party candidates.

[smirkymonkey]

52. See post #51

Stats from Pew Research Center.

[Celerity]

53. apples and oranges, that post is about a midterm, not a POTUS election vote

[smirkymonkey]

56. Still, not as cut and dried as you say and things have changed since the 2016

election. Graph from the Brooking's Institute:

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Another graph from the WaPo:

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[Celerity]

59. all I did was post a link

I have no idea why people are so defensive about poor choices made by millions of white women that are not at all the same (ideologically) as the people taking issue with it.

I am a mixed race lesbian, and I do not look at poor choices made by any of those groups as being an attack on me. I am my own person.

I fully admit and know that millions (but not all, obviously) from one of my groups (people of African descent, either partial or full) have huge issues with homophobic beliefs and behaviours. I am part West Indian, you want to see some fucked up anti-LGBTQ culture, go to one of the islands. Africa itself is even (FAR) worse overall.

[smirkymonkey]

62. I agree that there are too many white women who are making stupid political choices, and

frankly, it baffles me. I only wanted to say that there are millions of us who are fiercely anti-Trump and anti-Republican and we do not want to be associated with those women who are voting against their own interests out of fear or racism or whatever it is that makes them pull the lever for the person who will actively undermine their rights and those of other marginalized people.

Maybe it's because I live in a very blue, liberal part of the country that I see things differently. I don't know a lot of Republican women, although I am sure they are here. I am certainly not friends with any of them. I just want people to understand that we are not a monolithic voting block and many of us hate what is happening in this country and want to change it.

I really hope that other white women will eventually wake up too, because they are only voting for their own oppression.

[Celerity]

63. anyone who does this...

we do not want to be associated with those women who are voting against their own interests out of fear or racism or whatever it is that makes them pull the lever for the person who will actively undermine their rights and those of other marginalized people.

is not operating in good faith and using dodgy broad-brush techniques IMHO.

[smirkymonkey]

64. And by lumping all white women together, you are not using dodgy broad-brush

techniques? It's amazing what some people can talk themselves into in order demonize a group they have a resentment against.

[Celerity]

66. I NEVER lumped all white women together, ever, that is simply untrue

[smirkymonkey]

67. Sorry, I might have misunderstood the meaning of your post.

If I did, I truly apologize.

[Celerity]

68. I was saying anyone who does (what the quote from you said you dislike) is dead wrong, I literally

was doing the opposite of lumping all together.

Broad sweeping generalisations of groups are incredibly dangerous, not to mention a fundamental logical fallacy.

[smirkymonkey]

69. Ok, I understand what you were saying now.

Yes, you are right. Thank you for clarifying and I am sorry for being so defensive.

[Celerity]

70. totally oki!!!

Sorry if I was not crystal as well.

[paleotn]

12. In the south, they vote lock step with their husbands....

Some of that has to do with the remnants of a hyper racist, patriarchal society...the old south never really died....but mostly it's because they believe the same bullshit as their male partners. That, and patriarchy in general, is tied up in that damn fundigelical religion their so fond of down there. Kill that damn religion and southern women start to vote their conscious and not religiously mandated crap.

When I moved north, the only thing more refreshing than an actual spring and a glorious fall, was how little religion impacts every day life up here. It's not zero, by any means, but compared to the south, it might as well be.

[Turin_C3PO]

15. You should see how it is out West.

In places like Wyoming, religion is practically non-existent. Ok, it’s present but, as you say, it impacts nothing.

[paleotn]

34. Yep. It's a personal matter as it should be

Up here, I’ve yet to have someone ask me....have you found a church home yet? Or you’re welcome to visit our church. They mean well....sometimes. I grew up in their faith, so I know the talk and the queues. But it’s the fetuses and “teh gays.” Nothing but the fetuses and “teh gays” ad naseum. Sorry, but I attend the church of sleep late on Sunday. One of the few days I get to do so.

[Hekate]

16. I strongly second what you said. This has gotten to be a nasty meme around here...

And I am sick of it. Wherever I look in real life, those awful white women are the backbone of local Democratic political activity and have been for decades. WOC enlarge the circle, but white women have not gone away.

I, too, would like to see exactly how that assertion was arrived at. Hillary won the popular vote by millions. Screw the Electoral College excuse. We already know the vote-count was jiggered 6 ways from Sunday -- I want to know exactly how the assertion about "the majority of white women" was arrived at.

[Blue_true]

43. Exit polls have consistently shown that White women as a group vote for the republicans.

They look better when enough Black and Brown women show up at the polls to reverse their error.

Why? They sit at the dinner table with husbands, boyfriends, brothers and they either agree fully with their poison, or they don't want to make waves, so they vote as directed or don't vote. I just don't see the situation changing anytime soon, too many White women are comfortable with voting against their best interest. The young ones vote against their interests because they don't want to upset their relationships, but eventually the character of the men that they submit to rears it's head and often that is not good for the women.

[spooky3]

5. According to Pew Research it was NOT true in 2016.

https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. Fair enough -- a plurality, then.

It's true, exit polls are problematic, no matter who does them. I do believe my point still stands, though.

[Hekate]

19. So your mind is made up regardless. Good to know.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. About what?

Stacy Abrams received 25 percent of the white woman vote in 2018. Beto O'Rourke received about 40 percent. Drawing in more white women voters would go a long way toward strengthening the Democratic party. Confronting and dismantling internalized racism among white women would be even better.

[Blue_true]

48. Nothing like posting a link which decisively disproves the claim you are making.

I learned to read in the first grade and progressively got better as my schooling progressed. What I read was that 47% of White women voted for Trump and 45% voted for Clinton. The non-White women results? 82% voted for Clinton, 16% for Trump.

White women where I live out number Black women by around 6.5 to 1. They outnumber Hispanic women by around 4 to 1. So if each group of women voted in the same proportion, 2% more White women voting for Trump has an enormous impact on the outcome, in particular since their husbands, boyfriends, brother and sons voted for Trump by a large margin.

So your claim that White women are being misrepresented is false, they as a group ARE part of the problem.

[Stargleamer]

11. This scene is on a beach. . .

and if this beach is in California what you wrote does not apply: https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/california/president. My guess is the same holds true for Oregon, Hawaii and Washington beaches too

California white women gave Hillary a majority of their votes, 17 points higher than the asshole

[mantis49]

7. I just served on a jury; somebody alerted on this.

Apparently someone thought this was either bigoted or insensitive.

I thought it was spot on. I was in Savannah, GA in April with my daughter and son-in-law and their children. My son-in-law is a Brit with a heavy Cockney accent. (My daughter has to translate for me sometimes, LOL!)

We were in a convenience store and there were 4 CBP officers in there. I assured my SIL that he didn't have to worry about being questioned or detained by them because he was the "right" color.

[oldsoftie]

8. People here will alert on ANYTHING. Pity to be so weak of mind to not be able to take a JOKE

Or a fact you dont like.

[cwydro]

14. Funny that. I had two British friends and three Canadian friends who were deported years ago.

All of them were white.

It’s not just brown people, but by all means, don’t let me interfere with your narrative.

[mantis49]

26. It was a joke.

He's here legally. He and my daughter went through quite a rigorous process to make it so.

[oldsoftie]

29. And maybe that process could be made a bit easier.

I know a couple folks who also went thru the process & like you said; quite rigorous. not saying it should be a piece of cake, just streamline it a bit.

[cwydro]

60. What a funny "joke."

[Blue_true]

49. Some posters into this thread seem to be pretty worked up about the assertion of the cartoon.

My guess is the alert came somewhere from that.

Like you, I think that the cartoon is spot on. I live in a region of Florida where Whites outnumber Blacks by a ratio of ~6.5 to 1, the ratio for the whole state is somewhere around that ratio. There are lots of poor people here in my part of Florida, some can't fully maintain their vehicles. We have lots of homeless White people in my region of the state. When I see someone pulled over by a police officer or a homeless person being questioned, 80-90% of the time the person is Black or Brown. Never do I see the White women who proudly drove around with their "Women for Trump" stickers in 2016 pulled over.

[Blue Owl]

71. Oh FFS

[rockfordfile]

13. There's a lot of right-wing propaganda on you tube lately pushing lies

They trying to lie about trumptrash having no Russian connections.

[dalton99a]

20. Kick

[Turin_C3PO]

21. Lol.

I wonder how many white undocumented people Trump is going to deport? The answer is very few.

[Demovictory9]

32. ICE to deport Irish father-of-three after a decade in Montco

https://whyy.org/articles/ice-to-deport-irish-father-of-three-after-a-decade-in-montco/

[Turin_C3PO]

33. I'm just saying

you know that the primary targets are people of color. Trump gives me no reason to believe he acts without racial animus.

[Demovictory9]

35. I know

[Demovictory9]

31. k&r

[Zorro]

38. Bye Felicia

[marble falls]

39. Say 'bah-bye!'

[BumRushDaShow]

40. ...

[marble falls]

41. I love me a nuke to the right target!

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Damn straight!