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Roland99

(53,345 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:23 PM Jul 2019

ICE is checking IDs at 72nd st NYC




Tom D'Angora

@TomDangora
NYC....
ICE is checking ID's at the 72nd st. 1,2,3 stop
You can refuse to speak to them
Usted puede rehusar hablar con ellos
Please RT
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ICE is checking IDs at 72nd st NYC (Original Post) Roland99 Jul 2019 OP
Brazen now #rage Arazi Jul 2019 #1
on everyone? Grasswire2 Jul 2019 #2
That can't be a serious question. tymorial Jul 2019 #52
Police State has arrived. nt trev Jul 2019 #3
America's BEEN a police state ConnorMarc Jul 2019 #67
I've been to several places in Europe. trev Jul 2019 #72
Someone should call ICE and report the Trump hotels Generic Other Jul 2019 #4
👍🏼 blm Jul 2019 #53
Flood the area with public defenders. There has to be probable cause to stop someone. 33taw Jul 2019 #5
Exactly. There has to be probable cause, Duppers Jul 2019 #33
Actually, thanks to stop and frisk, all they need is "reasonable suspicion" Azathoth Jul 2019 #63
That is what I was thinking. It is a constitutional right to not be stopped and searched Maraya1969 Jul 2019 #64
OMG, is this 1943 Germany? DesertRat Jul 2019 #6
Papers, please! nt tblue37 Jul 2019 #11
Well we do have a race of people in concentration camps NightWatcher Jul 2019 #12
This is pissing me the hell off and I'm grateful to be in Queens and not the city because I would UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #7
Well, what a good thing you're not there! cwydro Jul 2019 #18
USA! USA! U.S. Citizen Who Was Held By ICE For 3 Years Denied Compensation By Appeals Court dalton99a Jul 2019 #8
ACLU needs to take this to the next appeal. AJT Jul 2019 #13
The Supreme Court weighed in on this in United States v. Martinez-Fuerte back in 1976. Calista241 Jul 2019 #47
Omfg! nt Duppers Jul 2019 #34
He needs a lawyer that can grease some wheels... 912gdm Jul 2019 #43
If he was still in ICE custody the statute of limitations had not begun. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #66
Just standing on a street corner? treestar Jul 2019 #9
Papers, please. Volaris Jul 2019 #10
K&R demmiblue Jul 2019 #14
Sounds like Revolution time's approaching. elleng Jul 2019 #15
We did it once! SCVDem Jul 2019 #42
I do think we're heading in that direction, elleng Jul 2019 #48
K&R Mersky Jul 2019 #16
Time to impeach yet? durablend Jul 2019 #17
No, we have to pass more bills to nowhere! Maven Jul 2019 #19
8 more weeks, just after Labor day holiday StTimofEdenRoc Jul 2019 #44
so, how can we harass the nazi pigs without breaking the law, any ideas? nt yaesu Jul 2019 #20
stand around them with your backs to them blocking them from others? Thomas Hurt Jul 2019 #27
Then you'd be obstructing injustice. CaptYossarian Jul 2019 #29
If they don't have a warrant, probable cause or reasonable suspicion, they shouldn't be asking Thomas Hurt Jul 2019 #30
This is the Age of Trump. The Bill of Rights is just the Second Amendment CaptYossarian Jul 2019 #35
That is not exactly true ripcord Jul 2019 #69
You are right, I forgot about that exception, thanks Thomas Hurt Jul 2019 #70
Obstructing them how? Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #68
You didn't get it. Obstructing IN-justice. CaptYossarian Jul 2019 #73
And Where Is DeBlasio? Me. Jul 2019 #21
Yes where the Hell is he ?? Oppaloopa Jul 2019 #49
Thanks for sharing. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #22
Like Gitmo? nt SCVDem Jul 2019 #45
I agitated for Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and the rest to be PatrickforO Jul 2019 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Dr Vegas Jul 2019 #23
This has exactly been my greatest nightmare for our country. world wide wally Jul 2019 #24
Call the Media HockeyMom Jul 2019 #25
The 100 mile border zone ripcord Jul 2019 #71
I hope passersby hand them lots of habanero tacos..... KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #26
Those ICE bullet heads can just fuck right off. Applegate Jul 2019 #28
These are troubling times tulipsandroses Jul 2019 #31
Can we sustain our social security program in short term delisen Jul 2019 #50
No sir. klook Jul 2019 #32
I know that stop. MineralMan Jul 2019 #36
Kristallnacht.II USA aeromanKC Jul 2019 #37
Perfect reference. byronius Jul 2019 #38
I posted about that this morning. Quite a few negative responses. nt woodsprite Jul 2019 #56
Can't believe I'm call my government ratfuckers Pepsidog Jul 2019 #39
Impeachment is a waste of time though, for some. jalan48 Jul 2019 #40
ICE is rolling up in restaurants here in downtown DC IronLionZion Jul 2019 #41
:( Roland99 Jul 2019 #58
Before you all get enraged... brooklynite Jul 2019 #51
So this didn't happen? Loki Liesmith Jul 2019 #54
#KnowYourRights Ponietz Jul 2019 #55
ICE Agents are not empowered to stop people in the street, marybourg Jul 2019 #57
UPDATE: WSJ - ICE *did* attempt two raids today in NYC neighborhoods Roland99 Jul 2019 #59
Coincidence? The Power Outages started at 7, and... Captain Zero Jul 2019 #60
Yes it's a coincidence: what an idiotic assumption otherwise brooklynite Jul 2019 #61
IOW: nothing to do with the alleged subway station story brooklynite Jul 2019 #62
They should come to my neighborhood which is filled with Russians and other Eastern Euro's doubt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #65

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
52. That can't be a serious question.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jul 2019

No offense but it is quite clear with this government intends to accomplish

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
67. America's BEEN a police state
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:52 AM
Jul 2019

For decades actually.

Visit other democratic countries, even islands, you'll see.

Generic Other

(29,080 posts)
4. Someone should call ICE and report the Trump hotels
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:30 PM
Jul 2019

Find out how many undocumented workers he employs.

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
33. Exactly. There has to be probable cause,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jul 2019

Otherwise this is unconstitutional - arbitrary search and seizure is prohibited by the Constitution.

 

Azathoth

(4,677 posts)
63. Actually, thanks to stop and frisk, all they need is "reasonable suspicion"
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jul 2019

Which is a bar so low it's almost impossible not to have it.

Maraya1969

(23,499 posts)
64. That is what I was thinking. It is a constitutional right to not be stopped and searched
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jul 2019

unless there is probable cause that you broke a law.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
7. This is pissing me the hell off and I'm grateful to be in Queens and not the city because I would
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jul 2019

head right the fuck up there with my big mouth. I would warn everybody ...you don't need to speak to the
AMERICAN GESTAPO.

dalton99a

(94,140 posts)
8. USA! USA! U.S. Citizen Who Was Held By ICE For 3 Years Denied Compensation By Appeals Court
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:35 PM
Jul 2019
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court

U.S. Citizen Who Was Held By ICE For 3 Years Denied Compensation By Appeals Court
August 1, 2017 5:03 PM ET
Camila Domonoske

Davino Watson told the immigration officers that he was a U.S. citizen. He told jail officials that he was a U.S. citizen. He told a judge. He repeated it again and again.

There is no right to a court-appointed attorney in immigration court. Watson, who was 23 and didn't have a high school diploma when he entered ICE custody, didn't have a lawyer of his own. So he hand-wrote a letter to immigration officers, attaching his father's naturalization certificate, and kept repeating his status to anyone who would listen.

Still, Immigration and Customs Enforcement kept Watson imprisoned as a deportable alien for nearly 3 1/2 years. Then it released Watson, who was from New York, in rural Alabama with no money and no explanation. Deportation proceedings continued for another year.

Watson was correct all along: He was a U.S. citizen. After he was released, he filed a complaint. Last year, a district judge in New York awarded him $82,500 in damages, citing "regrettable failures of the government."

On Monday, an appeals court ruled that Watson, now 32, is not eligible for any of that money — because while his case is "disturbing," the statute of limitations actually expired while he was still in ICE custody without a lawyer.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
47. The Supreme Court weighed in on this in United States v. Martinez-Fuerte back in 1976.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:30 PM
Jul 2019

The court ruled that interior checkpoints were legal and not a violation of the 4th Amendment.

 

Everyman Jackal

(271 posts)
66. If he was still in ICE custody the statute of limitations had not begun.
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:50 AM
Jul 2019

Same as if you commit a crime and move to a country without extradition. Later you move back to the US. The day you move back starts the count and runs for 3 years.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
15. Sounds like Revolution time's approaching.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jul 2019

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
48. I do think we're heading in that direction,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:43 PM
Jul 2019

but so much has changed, won't be remotely similar.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
19. No, we have to pass more bills to nowhere!
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:02 PM
Jul 2019

(h/t to BeyondGeography for coining the phrase)

Thomas Hurt

(13,982 posts)
27. stand around them with your backs to them blocking them from others?
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jul 2019

laugh in their faces?

make sure someone is recording in case they decide to attack you.

Thomas Hurt

(13,982 posts)
30. If they don't have a warrant, probable cause or reasonable suspicion, they shouldn't be asking
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:07 PM
Jul 2019

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
35. This is the Age of Trump. The Bill of Rights is just the Second Amendment
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jul 2019

and some gibberish that some dead guys wrote. Nothing existed before the Grand Narcissist was born. That's why he laughs at the thought of impeachment. He'll be Supreme Ruler for life. And when he passes, Jr. will poison or imprison the Veep and become the new king. It'll then become Gilligan's Nation.

Don't worry about warrants, probable cause or all that other commie pinko stuff we had before 1/20/17. That's headed for the Smithsonian.

The moral of the story is that when Democrats stay home on Election Day, there are extreme consequences. We f*cked up.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
69. That is not exactly true
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:01 PM
Jul 2019

You need to read up on the 100 mile border zone. That is one of the reasons the laws need to be changed and that means taking the Senate and keeping the House.

 

Everyman Jackal

(271 posts)
68. Obstructing them how?
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jul 2019

Do you know who is standing behind you? The noise is so loud you can't hear them.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
73. You didn't get it. Obstructing IN-justice.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:45 PM
Jul 2019

I was poking fun at our criminal in the WH who makes up the rules as he goes along.

PatrickforO

(15,426 posts)
22. Thanks for sharing.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jul 2019

This is deeply troubling - a new American Gestapo. And I'm deeply concerned by these upcoming raids.

We have to save the republic by resisting tooth and nail, and by voting Dem in 2020. This must stop. The camps must be shut down. The families must be reunited. There must be no roundups. No raids. No random checks for papers on our streets.

Those who have abused the inmates with the feeble excuse that it is 'a system overwhelmed' must be charged and tried for crimes against humanity, and I'm talking about the private-for-profit shareholders of companies like GEO solutions, the private equity firms that are investing, their directors and C-suite people, the guards, the middle managers, and the people in the Trump 'administration' all the way up through Steve Miller and Trump himself.

PatrickforO

(15,426 posts)
46. I agitated for Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and the rest to be
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jul 2019

held to account for war crimes in 2009, after Obama took office and we had a Democratic majority.

Why do you suppose this was not done? I mean - you're asking the question. That means that, like me, you have thought about it. So why do you think Obama and the Democratic Party leadership of that time did not take these actions?

And, a follow up question after you've thought about this one - does there seem any difference at all in the sheer criminality of the George W Bush administration versus the Trump administration?

Because, this will come up if we win in 2020. How do you think the Democratic party leaders at that time will deal with it? Or perhaps a better question is how do you think they should deal with it?

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
25. Call the Media
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jul 2019

Take out your phones and video this. Let it go viral. What probably cause is there for random people on a street?

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
71. The 100 mile border zone
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jul 2019

It is Border Patrol policy that has been upheld in court, we need to get a president in office who cares enough to change this policy.

tulipsandroses

(8,252 posts)
31. These are troubling times
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jul 2019

To make it harder for immigrants overall - The Trump administration increased immigration fees. I know of immigrants that cannot afford the new fees- People who have lost their Permanent Resident Cards and cannot afford to replace them due to the Ridiculous increased fees. They've increased the fees and wait times to convert from Permanent Resident to Citizen. I would hate for them to get caught up in one of these raids and not be able to produce their documentation. You would think that they could be found in the system but with this administration - they are hell bent on violating immigrant rights and it doesn't matter if they are documented or not. The plan is to have the least amount of immigrants.

Pure evil!

delisen

(7,369 posts)
50. Can we sustain our social security program in short term
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jul 2019

without immigrant labor? Median age of Americans had gone from 28.1 in 1970 to 38.2 in 2018.

We will also not have laborers for infrastructure rebuild and disaster reconstruction.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
36. I know that stop.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jul 2019

What ICE is doing is illegal. We are not required to carry papers with us as we move about freely on foot.

IronLionZion

(51,271 posts)
41. ICE is rolling up in restaurants here in downtown DC
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:13 PM
Jul 2019

and caught some impoverished workers who didn't know they can refuse to speak to them. You don't have to show them anything. Just peaceful restaurant workers, not gang members or anything dangerous.

No matter how much we prepare for it, it's still very startling when it happens to you.

marybourg

(13,642 posts)
57. ICE Agents are not empowered to stop people in the street,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jul 2019

although Border Patrol Agents are. The NYPD has been instructed not to cooperate with ICE Agents.

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
59. UPDATE: WSJ - ICE *did* attempt two raids today in NYC neighborhoods
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jul 2019



Federal immigration authorities attempted raids in at least two neighborhoods in New York City on Saturday, WSJ reports, a day prior to when Trump had said ICE agents would begin national roundups of people illegally in the U.S.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/immigration-enforcement-raids-begin-in-new-york-11563062969
Federal immigration authorities attempted raids in at least two neighborhoods in New York City on Saturday, according to a person familiar with the matter, a day prior to when President Trump had said Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would begin national roundups of people illegally in the U.S.

In New York City, ICE agents went to residences in the Harlem section of Manhattan and Brooklyn’s Sunset Park neighborhood, the person said. The agents were rejected by people at the residences because they didn’t have warrants, but plan to return at least to Sunset Park tomorrow, according to the person.

A spokeswoman for ICE in New York said that the agency won’t offer specific details related to enforcement operations. “As always, ICE prioritizes the arrest and removal of unlawfully present aliens who pose a threat to national security, public safety and border security,” the spokeswoman said.
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
62. IOW: nothing to do with the alleged subway station story
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:56 PM
Jul 2019

There’s enough to focus on without making up new conspiracy theories.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
65. They should come to my neighborhood which is filled with Russians and other Eastern Euro's doubt
Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:49 AM
Jul 2019

they are all here legally.

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