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BREAKING: Omar, Ocasio-Cortez, Pressley, and Tlaib to hold Press Conference at 5 PM (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2019 OP
This should be interesting. madaboutharry Jul 2019 #1
+1 Celerity Jul 2019 #3
a must watch I would say Celerity Jul 2019 #2
I need help on this. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #4
It's interesing melman Jul 2019 #9
Don't get it Jake Stern Jul 2019 #32
What if they burned a picture of Trump True Dough Jul 2019 #5
She tore it up and threw it at the camera. She didn't burn it. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #22
You're right True Dough Jul 2019 #23
Fires in a TV Studio in a high-rise are a no-no! maxsolomon Jul 2019 #24
Remember when Michael Jackson's hair caught on fire filming a Pepsi commercial? True Dough Jul 2019 #25
Yep. Too much product! maxsolomon Jul 2019 #36
TAKE CONTROL OF THE NARRATIVE, KIDS! n/t Eyeball_Kid Jul 2019 #6
That's one thing they're good at, especially AOC. Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #11
Yup, they should ask if going back to your "country" was so important to him.... mitch96 Jul 2019 #52
They're playing right into Trump's tiny hands customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #60
The media is going to bombard them with "what about" questions. LuvLoogie Jul 2019 #7
Will Saikat Chakrabarti be there to explain his comments about Sharice Davids? I'm guessing no. George II Jul 2019 #8
You should consider which side you are on in this dispute. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #13
+1 bazillion melman Jul 2019 #14
No thanks, I refuse to differentiate racist comments from justice democrat Chakrabarti, and racist still_one Jul 2019 #17
Exactly crazytown Jul 2019 #19
Racism is racism, no matter the racist who espouses it. I didn't watch the press conference.... George II Jul 2019 #21
Everyone has priorities. nt. Mariana Jul 2019 #18
You should be lecturing Chakrabarti, who attacked Sharice Davids a few days ago.... George II Jul 2019 #20
He didn't attack her, he said that her voted enabled a racist system. I don't know about you Autumn Jul 2019 #28
Oh geez....of course he attacked her. If he didn't why did he delete the tweet.... George II Jul 2019 #29
Cheap deflection. Those children need their parents and to not be in fucking camps Autumn Jul 2019 #35
So voting against giving them soap, toothpaste, blankets got them reunited with their parents? George II Jul 2019 #39
There should be no funding for those camps. Yes. You deflected. Autumn Jul 2019 #42
Let them starve? No. I didn't deflect. George II Jul 2019 #43
Yummy food to go along with the delightful toilet water they are told to drink Autumn Jul 2019 #47
So you want them to starve. Good evening Autumn. George II Jul 2019 #49
You are digging a deeper hole redstateblues Jul 2019 #51
Digging a hole? No, it's more like going down the rabbit hole. Autumn Jul 2019 #53
Autumn, misguided partisanship is causing many people to Hortensis Jul 2019 #38
I don't know him, I don't look at the posts about him. I don't care if God himself tweeted Autumn Jul 2019 #45
His tweet used the literary device known as an allusion. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #57
So you've in fact chosen which side you are on. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #30
Whatever do you mean? Why does everything have to be "taking sides"? George II Jul 2019 #33
My meaning was quite clear. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #34
No it wasn't. George II Jul 2019 #40
Yes it was and is. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #58
Clearly melman Jul 2019 #37
I'm on the side of cleansing and feeding captured children. Aren't you? George II Jul 2019 #44
Cleansing and feeding? Autumn Jul 2019 #48
We all are on the side of cleansing and feeding captured children Bettie Jul 2019 #54
Ethnic cleansing? Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #59
No because that is ok as are other bigoted and anti semitic statements Meowmee Jul 2019 #56
Please challenge him to a fistfight. Please challenge him to a fistfight NightWatcher Jul 2019 #10
Make a few statements nocoincidences Jul 2019 #12
Hold up a hand. Make the "tiny" symbol with your fingers Takket Jul 2019 #15
Pelosi should be with them as a sign of unity. Takket Jul 2019 #16
Pelosi is not with them in any sense. GuyNamedNathan Jul 2019 #26
I doubt that's true. She wants them to learn to Hortensis Jul 2019 #41
yawn obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #55
Ooooo, some strongly worded tweets coming... beachbum bob Jul 2019 #27
They're helping him change to news cycle for him duforsure Jul 2019 #31
Actually, their message was "don't let this distract from Trump's many awful actions" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2019 #46
Thanks leftstreet Jul 2019 #50
Exactly nini Jul 2019 #61
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
9. It's interesing
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:14 PM
Jul 2019

A few are working hard at keeping them under...and looking really sad and desperate in the process.

The interesting part is how they don't realize what an incredibly bad look it is to be doing that.

How is it possible? After yesterday and this morning...how do they not realize. I don't know.

Jake Stern

(3,146 posts)
32. Don't get it
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jul 2019

Always thought that Dems believed that women should feel free to speak their own minds with their own voice and yet there are some right here that feel these four should just sit down, shut up and let others do the talking for them.

True Dough

(26,674 posts)
5. What if they burned a picture of Trump
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jul 2019

the way Sinead O'Connor did with the pope's photo? It would be quite a statement, but it would very likely endanger their well being (not like they're aren't already ReThug targets, which is scary as it is).

maxsolomon

(38,729 posts)
22. She tore it up and threw it at the camera. She didn't burn it.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jul 2019

She had a point long before the RCC's Abuse scandals broke - time has vindicated her.

True Dough

(26,674 posts)
23. You're right
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:22 PM
Jul 2019

I was relying on my faulty memory. And, yes, I'd certainly agree on your second point.

True Dough

(26,674 posts)
25. Remember when Michael Jackson's hair caught on fire filming a Pepsi commercial?
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jul 2019

I am recalling that incident correctly, I hope?!?

mitch96

(15,805 posts)
52. Yup, they should ask if going back to your "country" was so important to him....
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:24 PM
Jul 2019

Why didn't daddy Fred go back to Germany to fix the wrongs done there.. He was born here and that would be the same standard, yes?
m

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
60. They're playing right into Trump's tiny hands
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 11:52 PM
Jul 2019

He wants the airwaves to be full of "Trump vs. The Squad" instead of what Liz Warren or Pete Buttigieg have to say.

LuvLoogie

(8,815 posts)
7. The media is going to bombard them with "what about" questions.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:05 PM
Jul 2019

I hope they don't take the bait. But they have every right to make statements. We'll see how "neutral" the press corp is.

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Will Saikat Chakrabarti be there to explain his comments about Sharice Davids? I'm guessing no.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:13 PM
Jul 2019

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
13. You should consider which side you are on in this dispute.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jul 2019

Given the racist-in-chief's stunning outburst against these women, don't you think we ought to put our petty disputes on the back burner, lock ranks, and stand in solidarity with them?

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
17. No thanks, I refuse to differentiate racist comments from justice democrat Chakrabarti, and racist
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:09 PM
Jul 2019

trump’s comments

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. Racism is racism, no matter the racist who espouses it. I didn't watch the press conference....
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:57 PM
Jul 2019

....was there any mention of Chakrabarti's racist comments (or him embracing a Nazi collaborator who headed an army that went into battle against Americans in WWII)?

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. You should be lecturing Chakrabarti, who attacked Sharice Davids a few days ago....
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jul 2019

Tell HIM to "put our petty disputes on the back burner, lock ranks, and stand in solidarity with them", ALL of them.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
28. He didn't attack her, he said that her voted enabled a racist system. I don't know about you
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:37 PM
Jul 2019

but I consider camps where people are held, not given the basic necessities where children and infants are separated from their parent to be a fucking racist system. Anyone who voted to fund it voted to enable it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. Oh geez....of course he attacked her. If he didn't why did he delete the tweet....
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:45 PM
Jul 2019

....after he got called out for it?

I wonder if he was wearing his Subhas Chandra Bose t-shirt when he tweeted that?



Anybody who voted against it voted to deprive the children of necessities.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
35. Cheap deflection. Those children need their parents and to not be in fucking camps
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jul 2019

being sexually assaulted, being forced to sleep on hard concrete and dying. That's their necessity. That's the racist system that voting for that bill enabled.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212280631

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. So voting against giving them soap, toothpaste, blankets got them reunited with their parents?
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:28 PM
Jul 2019

I'M "deflecting"? C'mon.

A majority of Democrats in both the House and Senate agree with me.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
42. There should be no funding for those camps. Yes. You deflected.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jul 2019

You left out that Trump agrees with you too.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
53. Digging a hole? No, it's more like going down the rabbit hole.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:41 PM
Jul 2019

A hole where people are defending the funding of a racist policy of camps where people are held in squalid conditions, told to drink toilet water, made to sleep on concrete floors, kids are sexually assaulted, parents are separated from their children and infants and more. But hey, they are being fed so it's all good.

Earlier reports from investigators for the Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General from the El Paso and Rio Grande Valley sectors in Texas detailed horrific conditions for children and other migrants held in overcrowded border stations where they were not given showers, a clean change of clothes or the space to sleep. The reports from the Yuma CBP sector describe similar unsanitary and crowded conditions but go further by alleging abuse and other misconduct by CBP officers.

But in almost 30 accounts obtained from "significant incident reports" prepared between April 10 and June 12 by case managers for the Department of Health and Human Services, the department responsible for migrant children after they leave CBP custody, kids who spent time in the Yuma border station repeatedly described poor conditions that are not pure byproducts of overcrowding. They reported being denied a phone call, not being offered a shower, sleeping on concrete or outside with only a Mylar blanket, and feeling hungry before their 9 p.m. dinnertime.

One child reported "sometimes going to bed hungry because dinner was usually served sometime after 9 p.m. and by that time she was already asleep," according to the documents.

"Our clients tell us that they have seen CBP agents kick other children awake, that children do not know whether it’s day or night because lights are left on all the time, and that they have had food thrown at them like they were wild animals."



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-kids-overcrowded-arizona-border-station-allege-sex-assault-retaliation-n1027886

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Autumn, misguided partisanship is causing many people to
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jul 2019

support what should never be supported. ONE standard for all is a guideline we can use to keep political loyalties from corrupting our morals and intellect -- as has happened to many millions of Trump followers. Maybe pretend Hillary sent out Chakrabarti's tweets and see what you think of them?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
45. I don't know him, I don't look at the posts about him. I don't care if God himself tweeted
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jul 2019

that tweet, I think that the tweet has truth in it. She's a friend of his and his opinion is that her vote for that bill, among many other votes enables a racist system. I consider those camps to be a racist system put in place by a racist piece of shit in the White House. Funding them enables his system. YMMV. I'm not going to get distracted by the actions of someone I don't know and ignore what those assholes are doing at those camps.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212280631

TexasTowelie

(127,359 posts)
57. His tweet used the literary device known as an allusion.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:13 PM
Jul 2019

It is as clear as day that it was meant as an attack.

By the way, calling someone an enabler is also considered an attack. I doubt that Sharice Davids considered the tweet as anything but an attack no matter what spin others may try to put on it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Whatever do you mean? Why does everything have to be "taking sides"?
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:52 PM
Jul 2019

But the bottom line is that Chakrabarti, presumably a Democrat, attacked Sharice Davids, TWICE.



Autumn

(48,962 posts)
48. Cleansing and feeding?
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:01 PM
Jul 2019
Earlier reports from investigators for the Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General from the El Paso and Rio Grande Valley sectors in Texas detailed horrific conditions for children and other migrants held in overcrowded border stations where they were not given showers, a clean change of clothes or the space to sleep. The reports from the Yuma CBP sector describe similar unsanitary and crowded conditions but go further by alleging abuse and other misconduct by CBP officers.

But in almost 30 accounts obtained from "significant incident reports" prepared between April 10 and June 12 by case managers for the Department of Health and Human Services, the department responsible for migrant children after they leave CBP custody, kids who spent time in the Yuma border station repeatedly described poor conditions that are not pure byproducts of overcrowding. They reported being denied a phone call, not being offered a shower, sleeping on concrete or outside with only a Mylar blanket, and feeling hungry before their 9 p.m. dinnertime.

One child reported "sometimes going to bed hungry because dinner was usually served sometime after 9 p.m. and by that time she was already asleep," according to the documents.

"Our clients tell us that they have seen CBP agents kick other children awake, that children do not know whether it’s day or night because lights are left on all the time, and that they have had food thrown at them like they were wild animals."


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-kids-overcrowded-arizona-border-station-allege-sex-assault-retaliation-n1027886

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
54. We all are on the side of cleansing and feeding captured children
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:49 PM
Jul 2019

however, the Senate bill that you are so excited about has zero oversight included in it.

So, they get more money (and remember, they were already getting over 700 dollars per human) and weren't able to provide more than toilet water and a few scraps at that rate. Do you honestly, deep down, believe that giving the same people/organizations more money is going to magically turn them into decent human beings who won't pocket their windfall?

The disagreement is about the level of trust that some of us have and some of us don't have in the money actually going to help anyone other than the already rich people who are getting it.

If you believe that it will help anyone, more power to you.

I don't. I believe that it will line some douchbag's pockets and conditions will either remain the same or get worse, since, as I said, there is no oversight provision.

nocoincidences

(2,489 posts)
12. Make a few statements
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:21 PM
Jul 2019

and then say something to the effect of "playing the fool again", and then the big finale:

LAUGH at him.

He hates that more than anything.

And every time he plays the fool again---

say: there he goes playing the fool again.

And then laugh at him. EVERY time.

He will completely lose his mind a whole lot faster.

Takket

(23,715 posts)
15. Hold up a hand. Make the "tiny" symbol with your fingers
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jul 2019

Then burst out laughing lol

These women are far too intelligent for that sophomoric stuff, but it would be amusing lol.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. I doubt that's true. She wants them to learn to
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:30 PM
Jul 2019

function responsibly and effectively. But they have set themselves apart deliberately, including becoming associated with some real troublemakers in JD/Brand New Congress, and it's their job to deal with the consequences. They're grownups and U.S. congressmen.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
46. Actually, their message was "don't let this distract from Trump's many awful actions"
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jul 2019

Oddly, there hasn't been any mention of what was said in the press conference in this thread, so:

Trump tweet row: Don't take the bait, congresswomen say

"This is simply a disruption and a distraction from the callous chaos and corrupt culture of this administration, all the way down," Ms Pressley said.

Both Ms Omar and Ms Tlaib also called for Mr Trump to be impeached.
...
All four women insisted that health care, gun violence, and in particular detentions of migrants on the US border with Mexico should be in focus.

"The eyes of history are watching us," said Ms Omar said, decrying the "mass deportation raids" and "human rights abuses at the border".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48998696

leftstreet

(40,683 posts)
50. Thanks
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jul 2019

Thanks for posting the excerpts and the link

(Haven't been able to keep up, and as usual everyone's talking about the messengers instead of the message)

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