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[Honeycombe8]

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[Cary]

1. As a lawyer I must say that their fears are justified

If you want to see justice have discipline and get behind and stay behind our Democratic leaders. They deserve the benefit of the doubt and nothing good will come from bashing them or second guessing them.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Nothing good comes from total fealty either

Let them feel some heat. As we’ve seen, they can always take their frustrations out on fellow Democrats when things get a little tough.

[Cary]

7. Your enemy is barely breaking ranks

They are a minority with discipline imposing minority rule on you.

But hey, your pride is more important than breaking them with discipline. Right?

Your "total fealty" excuse is weak. Finding common ground, standing up together against Nazis is strong.

[BeyondGeography]

8. That is barely intelligible

[Cary]

9. You understood it perfectly.

[UniteFightBack]

10. Yeah I got it too and I ain't no Rhodes Scholar. nt

[Cary]

12. I confess that the stupid ploy worked on me 10 years ago

[BeyondGeography]

11. It reads like we should conduct ourselves as Republicans

But surely that was not your point, right?

[Cary]

14. (Read slowly) You don't say?

[UniteFightBack]

15. Quite the opposite. nt

[BeyondGeography]

17. We shall break them with our discipline!

Yeah, ok. Well, discipline starts at the top, and I haven’t much of that lately. Unless you call mocking fellow Dems to Maureen Dowd and saying no more food fights on Twitter after which Hakeem Jeffries unleashes a stream of tweet spew on the squad “discipline.”

But, yeah, be quiet, it’s all part of the plan.

[Cary]

19. You have so many excuses

"A leader is best when people barely know he exists. When his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves." ~ Lao Tzu

[BeyondGeography]

20. Says the curb-your-enthusiasm guy who claims people have learned nothing from 2016

[Cary]

22. Indeed, it is all about me personally

Attacking me is so relevant.

[Cary]

18. Some people learned nothing from 2016

Or 2004. Or 2000.

[Bradshaw3]

30. "Total fealty" came from you

Quoting "nothing good will come from bashing them or second guessing them." Ok, so our leaders shall not be questioned. Sounds like fealty from me, and based on the false premise that having a different approach on how to proceed is "bashing" when of course it is not.

Also, there is no reason for the personal attack here. Just shows weakness in any point you want to make.

Finally, being fearful of what might happen is not standing strong, it is exactly the wrong signal to send to bullies.

[Cary]

27. There was a time when we respected public service

The cynicism is part of the "conservative" nihilism and we tolerate their thought viruses at our own peril.

[BeyondGeography]

28. Oh please

Familiarize yourself with the impact of House seniority rules on member behavior and then get back to me. Nadler is a great example. By all accounts he would have loved to have opened an impeachment inquiry weeks ago. But he is a good soldier so he keeps his mouth shut as best he can. He’s got Lofgren in the number two spot and she is much more aligned with Pelosi on the issue. If you really really care about his stress level you should know these things.

[Trumpocalypse]

13. Well said nt

[spanone]

2. 'treading lightly' as the republic crumbles

[Cary]

5. All the more reason to be cautious and thorough.

And for not being reckless. When you get into a fight you don't swing aimlessly. You bring as much force to bear as you can, directed to the most vulnerable place, at the right time.

And too you want to strike your enemy, not your ally.

[marble falls]

4. We need to remember this is a process and not about getting even, we're ...

working towards justice and dotting all i's and crossing all t's.

[Cary]

6. Exactly. Well said.

[UniteFightBack]

16. I'm going to use this: is 'not about getting even - we are working towards justice'. nt

[stillcool]

21. doesn't matter..

I think people here like to hate Democrats more than Republicans. I stepped away a few years ago because of the mud-slinging...it had become a huge waste of time when all I got was a head full of bullshit, and a pissed off attitude.

[GeorgeGist]

23. In a word ...

[berni_mccoy]

29. Inaction will be the destruction of this country.

[rampartc]

31. if they do not use that oversight power they will certainly lose it.

this reminds me of the Iraq war. if saddam hussien actually had chemical or biological weapons what was he waiting for? he could use them and be hung for it, or he could just be hung.

oversight and funding are the last checks and balances left. use them.