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July 17, 2019https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque
ITS GOING TO BE STAGGERING, THE AMOUNT OF NAMES: AS THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE GROWS MORE GROTESQUE, MANHATTAN AND DC BRACE FOR IMPACT
Likely within days, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release almost 2,000 pages of documents that could reveal sexual abuse by numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders, according to the three-judge panel's ruling. The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant, against Epsteins former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell. Nobody who was around Epstein a lot is going to have an easy time now. Its all going to come out, said Giuffres lawyer David Boies. Another person involved with litigation against Epstein told me: Its going to be staggering, the amount of names. Its going to be contagion numbers.
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Thus far, the name most publicly associated with Epsteins alleged crimes is famed lawyer Alan Dershowitz, whos been waging a public battle with David Boies for years. In April, Boiess client Giuffre sued Dershowitz for defamation after Dershowitz called her a liar (a strategy similar to that of seven of Bill Cosbys accusers). In the days since the FBI arrested Epstein at Teterboro Airport a week and a half ago, Dershowitz has been going on television and dialing up friends and reporters to profess his innocence and label Giuffre and Boies liars. I want everything to come out! Im not afraid of anything because I did nothing wrong, Dershowitz told me on the afternoon of July 15.
He called me a minute after I had emailed him for comment. He said hed been friends with Epstein since 1996, when they were introduced at a party on Marthas Vineyard by Lynn Forester de Rothschild. She begged me to meet him. She told me, heres this smart academic. A few days later, Epstein invited Dershowitz to Les Wexners 59th birthday party at Wexners mansion in New Albany, Ohio. Its a tradition that Jeff invited the smartest person he met that year. He told them I was the smartest. They remained close for years. Dershowitz strenuously denied ever participating in Epsteins underage sex ring and said hed only been in Epsteins presence with his wife. I got one massage! he told me. It was from a 50-year-old Russian woman named Olga. And I kept my shorts on. I didnt even like it. Im not a massage guy.
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I never said that, Boies responded when I asked about Dershowitzs version of the phone calls. What Alan does is he plays a second or two out of context; he never lets anybody listen to the whole thing. Boies also dismissed Dershowitzs claim that he never met Giuffre at Epsteins house. According to Boies, Epsteins former employees said in sworn depositions that they saw Dershowitz at the house multiple times without his wife. This Olga woman doesnt exist. Epsteins barely kept women around who were over 25. Its a figment of Alans imagination, Boies said.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Take them all down.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Seems fitting, somehow.
To the pain!
bluestarone
(22,178 posts)LOW LIFE'S!! That's what they are
brush
(61,033 posts)should help bring trump and the repugs down.
silentEcho
(424 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)Funtatlaguy
(11,878 posts)I dont really care.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)Funtatlaguy
(11,878 posts)SharonAnn
(14,173 posts)Funtatlaguy
(11,878 posts)True Blue American
(18,579 posts)Baltimike
(4,441 posts)VarryOn
(2,343 posts)It'll probably be months and months of details and names trickling out. How we deal with the first ones will set the precedence.
As bad as Epstein's behavior sounds, A LOT of people had to have known about him, just like it was with Harvey Weinstein. Even if a person didnt engage in illicit activity with girls, if they still put themselves in Epstein's orbit (especially frequently), it reflects on their character.
I hope we deal swiftly and harshly with any of our own if they are implicated. Fortunately, of the names I've seen as rumored to be Epstein's friends, there are only 3 or 4 Democrats. The biggest, thankfully, is past his usefulness!
Donny Boy, though, seems to have been a friend. Pleeeeeze someone find something!!
cureautismnow
(1,862 posts)Also, throw in 5 SCJ's and 200+ GOP Congress Critters and we'll call it a day.
2naSalit
(102,791 posts)won't surprise me, it's turning out pretty much as I suspected.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,076 posts)Our side is bound to take some hits as well.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)even if individuals fail.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,076 posts)MFM008
(20,042 posts)A freak is a freak.
DeminPennswoods
(17,506 posts)near the end of her show. He was talking about Epstein's NM ranch. The AG is also looking into a land deal Epstein made with a former NM governor to purchase property around the ranch. Sounded to me like some sort of sweetheart deal, but not exactly sure.
Link: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/nm-to-send-evidence-of-epstein-survivor-victims-to-ny-prosecutors-64054853564
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)who dove head-first into this once they got tangled up with Epstein, regardless of party affiliation.
DBoon
(24,983 posts)the difference between the two parties
chowder66
(12,242 posts)In an email, Elon Musk responded: I dont recall introducing Epstein to anyone, as I dont know the guy well enough to do so, Epstein is obviously a creep and Zuckerberg is not a friend of mine. Several years ago, I was at his house in Manhattan for about 30 minutes in the middle of the afternoon with Talulah [Riley], as she was curious about meeting this strange person for a novel she was writing. We did not see anything inappropriate at all, apart from weird art. He tried repeatedly to get me to visit his island. I declined.
How Epstein obtained his fortune is a matter of feverish speculation. His claim to a billionaire-only client list now seems laughable to the bankers I spoke with. One Wall Street source with direct knowledge of Epsteins business said one source of Epsteins income was providing tax advice and estate planning to rich clients, like Apollo Global Management founder Leon Black, presumably because Epstein had experience with offshore funds after basing his office in the Virgin Islands. In 2015 Black made a $10 million donation to Epsteins foundation. (Black declined to comment.)
canetoad
(20,769 posts)About Musk. Did Epstein intend to set him up and blackmail him?
chowder66
(12,242 posts)and people in his pocket. That second passage makes me wonder if he got Black with the 10 million donation to his "charity".
Then again maybe Black donated thinking he was legit.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Apollo Global was interestingly enough, founded by Black who was formerly an exec at Drexel Burnham Lambert.
DBL was at the epicenter of the junk/penny bond scandal in the early nineties led by Michael Milken.
Not-too-strange bedfellows, it seems.
chowder66
(12,242 posts)BootinUp
(51,322 posts)Every day.
Skittles
(171,710 posts)now she's 50?
BootinUp
(51,322 posts)richsonpoordad
(83 posts)I also hope that the documents about the Cohen payoffs to Trump's mistresses can't be stopped. Is there any way that Barr can stop this? My partner says there is no way unless the judge doesn't show up.
True Dough
(26,667 posts)Remember the Panama Papers? Far too few paid any real consequences for all the tax fraud. The rich and famous get a pass far too often.
machoneman
(4,128 posts)...yes he could. But even the USA's AG, turd that he is, can't stop any judges release of these docs. He could appeal same even up to the SC but they would have to stand by the lower courts decision here.
Skittles
(171,710 posts)FUCKING PERVERTS
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Skittles
(171,710 posts)it's SICK
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:16 AM - Edit history (1)
Yeah. It's fucking sick. Which proves those men to be the worst of males on the planet.
Quality men never fear equality with women.
Only inferior boys in men's bodies force fuck them into fear.
Predation is jungle. Anti-civilization.
Skittles
(171,710 posts)SICK SICK SICK
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Arrested development (all apologies to one of my favorite old musicians).
dalton99a
(94,115 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,782 posts)Owning or having access to vast wealth means you can do what you please and conceal it from public view....
Until the world tears down the walls of elitism and economic inequality, this practice will continue.
Anon-C
(3,440 posts)Everybody knows!
loll!
Every. Body.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Will it be in evidence found?
Both?
How can we be so sure?
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,782 posts)is that there will be vast sums poured into attorney retainers, PR campaigns on public and social media and political and business-related bribes to provide cover for these miscreants. Comes in hand with being filthy rich, I think.
Much of this will get lost in our current atmosphere of hyper-saturated news and entertainment and after the dust settles, a few will go down (for the show) and the uber-wealthy will go on about their usual hidden immoral and criminal behavior.
It will continue unabated so long as we have that secretive international dark underbelly of humanity that believe their wealth earns them the right to be immune to the law and common standards of behavior.
KY........
Kablooie
(19,107 posts)Barr will use everything in his power to keep this information out of the press.
I'm sure we'll hear of Justice Department suing to keep the docs secret soon and the legal case will go on for years.
Though possibly prominent Democratic names and Trump enemies will be leaked.
lapfog_1
(31,904 posts)"I never got a massage"
"Well I got one massage, but I kept my underwear on"
"Well, maybe she took it off, but she never touched me there"
"Well, maybe she did touch me... but I didn't ask for it"
"Well, maybe I did ask her but I never expected it"
"oh, is THAT is what you mean by Happy Ending"
OhZone
(3,216 posts)"I mean she's old now, and her name was Oksana"
"I mean she was 21 at the time, and her name was Olesya"
"I mean she was a youthful, skinny 18 Odessa"
"OK, I forced little 13 yo Orina! But it was legal on Epstein's Island, I was told."
lanlady
(7,229 posts)There was a lot of anticipation about that one. Stock up the popcorn, heads are gonna roll. Big political careers ended. No one will be left to run the country.
Instead, the one name it netted was... David Vitter. Big whoop! And some State Department official no one knew or cared about.
Lord, I HOPE the Vanity Fair piece turns out to be true but this seems like an all too familiar refrain that'll end in disappointment.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)including frequent guests like Dersho-douche. But when billionaires invite people for various reasons, most accept for various reasons that have nothing to do with the entertainment provided at his parties. It seems inevitable that some people who don't really deserve it will be hurt, the more famous the worse.
But oh well. You don't have to actually lie down with dogs to get their fleas. Very few visitors wouldn't at least have heard rumors about Epstein's underage entertainment. I will try to hold judgement against names without further information, though.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts)Hope I'm wrong but they've had success tamping this shit down for so long I'm cynical
Botany
(77,323 posts)... his innocence ..."
Now we know that Epstein has been blackmailing Dershowitz.
roamer65
(37,953 posts)Except that one got swept under the rug. This one is finally seeing the light of day.
wiggs
(8,812 posts)bdamomma
(69,532 posts)CUT IT OFF.