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pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:12 PM Jul 2019

Vanity Fair on EPSTEIN: "It's going to be staggering, the amount of names."

July 17, 2019

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque

IT’S GOING TO BE STAGGERING, THE AMOUNT OF NAMES”: AS THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE GROWS MORE GROTESQUE, MANHATTAN AND DC BRACE FOR IMPACT


Likely within days, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release almost 2,000 pages of documents that could reveal sexual abuse by “numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders,” according to the three-judge panel's ruling. The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant, against Epstein’s former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell. “Nobody who was around Epstein a lot is going to have an easy time now. It’s all going to come out,” said Giuffre’s lawyer David Boies. Another person involved with litigation against Epstein told me: “It’s going to be staggering, the amount of names. It’s going to be contagion numbers.”

SNIP

Thus far, the name most publicly associated with Epstein’s alleged crimes is famed lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who’s been waging a public battle with David Boies for years. In April, Boies’s client Giuffre sued Dershowitz for defamation after Dershowitz called her a liar (a strategy similar to that of seven of Bill Cosby’s accusers). In the days since the FBI arrested Epstein at Teterboro Airport a week and a half ago, Dershowitz has been going on television and dialing up friends and reporters to profess his innocence and label Giuffre and Boies liars. “I want everything to come out! I’m not afraid of anything because I did nothing wrong,” Dershowitz told me on the afternoon of July 15.

He called me a minute after I had emailed him for comment. He said he’d been friends with Epstein since 1996, when they were introduced at a party on Martha’s Vineyard by Lynn Forester de Rothschild. “She begged me to meet him. She told me, ‘here’s this smart academic.’” A few days later, Epstein invited Dershowitz to Les Wexner’s 59th birthday party at Wexner’s mansion in New Albany, Ohio. “It’s a tradition that Jeff invited the smartest person he met that year. He told them I was the smartest.” They remained close for years. Dershowitz strenuously denied ever participating in Epstein’s underage sex ring and said he’d only been in Epstein’s presence with his wife. “I got one massage!” he told me. “It was from a 50-year-old Russian woman named Olga. And I kept my shorts on. I didn’t even like it. I’m not a massage guy.”

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“I never said that,” Boies responded when I asked about Dershowitz’s version of the phone calls. “What Alan does is he plays a second or two out of context; he never lets anybody listen to the whole thing.” Boies also dismissed Dershowitz’s claim that he never met Giuffre at Epstein’s house. According to Boies, Epstein’s former employees said in sworn depositions that they saw Dershowitz at the house multiple times without his wife. “This Olga woman doesn’t exist. Epstein’s barely kept women around who were over 25. It’s a figment of Alan’s imagination,” Boies said.
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Vanity Fair on EPSTEIN: "It's going to be staggering, the amount of names." (Original Post) pnwmom Jul 2019 OP
... Scurrilous Jul 2019 #1
I can't wait for this. smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #2
A teen aged locker room attendant. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2019 #19
I hope every RETHUGS name is involved! bluestarone Jul 2019 #3
We've got to brace for this. There will be some Dem names that come out but this... brush Jul 2019 #18
Rape girls, I do not care what party the person is. Nothing to brace. silentEcho Jul 2019 #28
Just saying...it's likely that it's not all repugs. brush Jul 2019 #45
Unless their names are Trump, McConnell, or Graham Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #4
Barr? Jared? Junior? pnwmom Jul 2019 #6
If only. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #10
Graham? With girls? Surely you jest. SharonAnn Jul 2019 #11
I bet Epstein brought in whatever Lindsey wanted too. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #12
:) True Blue American Jul 2019 #32
Let the chips fall where they may. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #5
Absolutely! There should be no sacred cows... VarryOn Jul 2019 #15
I want to see 50+ GOP Senators on that list. cureautismnow Jul 2019 #7
Probably 2naSalit Jul 2019 #8
The carnage isn't going to be 100% "the other side"..... NoMoreRepugs Jul 2019 #9
So be it. That's the difference with our party. We still stand for something pnwmom Jul 2019 #13
Agree. NoMoreRepugs Jul 2019 #14
They need to go MFM008 Jul 2019 #34
The New Mexico state Atty Gen was on with Maddow DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #40
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #47
Let the giant shit-hammer of justice fall down upon the heads of anyone bullwinkle428 Jul 2019 #48
A perfect chance to show we will not tolerate this behavior DBoon Jul 2019 #51
I found these passages interesting chowder66 Jul 2019 #16
I came to post the exact same thing canetoad Jul 2019 #25
There's been some speculation that this is how he's getting his money chowder66 Jul 2019 #27
Black, who founded Apollo Global was a former exec at Drexel Burnham Lambert LanternWaste Jul 2019 #55
What a cesspool. Thanks for that info. nt chowder66 Jul 2019 #58
Dersh... give it up man. You are looking sillier BootinUp Jul 2019 #17
first he said she was "really, really old" Skittles Jul 2019 #22
Not his type. Nt BootinUp Jul 2019 #49
i hope there is no way for this revelation to be stopped. richsonpoordad Jul 2019 #20
It's a legitimate concern True Dough Jul 2019 #31
No, Barr can't stop the judge's order. If it were the AG, local Federal or other prosecutor, then... machoneman Jul 2019 #52
bring it on Skittles Jul 2019 #21
A whole fucking network. Literally. ancianita Jul 2019 #24
WHY do so many men want to fuck children? Skittles Jul 2019 #36
To establish dominance over innocence. Establish their "manly" superiority over half the planet. ancianita Jul 2019 #37
and the men who get excited over grown women in school girl outfits Skittles Jul 2019 #39
That's the thing. Their bodies are manly but their insides never grew up. ancianita Jul 2019 #50
Betcha Olga didn't like it either dalton99a Jul 2019 #23
This represents the true dark underbelly of our world. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #26
+1000 Anon-C Jul 2019 #30
Will he talk? SHRED Jul 2019 #29
The one thing we can be assured of, Shred... KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #35
Oh I hope it comes out but I won't be surprised when it's all locked away again. Kablooie Jul 2019 #33
dershowitz lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #38
She was an old Russian Woman OhZone Jul 2019 #53
I've got a bad case of DC Madam deja vu lanlady Jul 2019 #41
Remember what happened to her? She died in an apparent suicide. pnwmom Jul 2019 #44
Mixed feelings. Absolutely to outing those who were complicit, Hortensis Jul 2019 #42
If it all comes out, it's going to be social Ebola -- catastrophic and deadly. nt Hekate Jul 2019 #43
I'm skeptical this will be released. I don't know how it will be blocked but the PTB will try Arazi Jul 2019 #46
"Dershowitz has been going on television and dialing up friends and reporters to profess ... Botany Jul 2019 #54
This reminds me of the Franklin S&L scandal from circa 1990. roamer65 Jul 2019 #56
Alan's comments are reminiscent of Larry Craig's: 'I just have a wide stance!' nt wiggs Jul 2019 #57
I have one comment bdamomma Jul 2019 #59
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
18. We've got to brace for this. There will be some Dem names that come out but this...
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:30 PM
Jul 2019

should help bring trump and the repugs down.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
15. Absolutely! There should be no sacred cows...
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:43 PM
Jul 2019

It'll probably be months and months of details and names trickling out. How we deal with the first ones will set the precedence.

As bad as Epstein's behavior sounds, A LOT of people had to have known about him, just like it was with Harvey Weinstein. Even if a person didnt engage in illicit activity with girls, if they still put themselves in Epstein's orbit (especially frequently), it reflects on their character.

I hope we deal swiftly and harshly with any of our own if they are implicated. Fortunately, of the names I've seen as rumored to be Epstein's friends, there are only 3 or 4 Democrats. The biggest, thankfully, is past his usefulness!

Donny Boy, though, seems to have been a friend. Pleeeeeze someone find something!!

cureautismnow

(1,862 posts)
7. I want to see 50+ GOP Senators on that list.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:21 PM
Jul 2019

Also, throw in 5 SCJ's and 200+ GOP Congress Critters and we'll call it a day.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,076 posts)
9. The carnage isn't going to be 100% "the other side".....
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:22 PM
Jul 2019

Our side is bound to take some hits as well.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
13. So be it. That's the difference with our party. We still stand for something
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:25 PM
Jul 2019

even if individuals fail.

DeminPennswoods

(17,506 posts)
40. The New Mexico state Atty Gen was on with Maddow
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 04:05 AM
Jul 2019

near the end of her show. He was talking about Epstein's NM ranch. The AG is also looking into a land deal Epstein made with a former NM governor to purchase property around the ranch. Sounded to me like some sort of sweetheart deal, but not exactly sure.

Link: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/nm-to-send-evidence-of-epstein-survivor-victims-to-ny-prosecutors-64054853564

bullwinkle428

(20,662 posts)
48. Let the giant shit-hammer of justice fall down upon the heads of anyone
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:05 AM
Jul 2019

who dove head-first into this once they got tangled up with Epstein, regardless of party affiliation.

DBoon

(24,983 posts)
51. A perfect chance to show we will not tolerate this behavior
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jul 2019

the difference between the two parties

chowder66

(12,242 posts)
16. I found these passages interesting
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:54 PM
Jul 2019

In an email, Elon Musk responded: “I don’t recall introducing Epstein to anyone, as I don’t know the guy well enough to do so, Epstein is obviously a creep and Zuckerberg is not a friend of mine. Several years ago, I was at his house in Manhattan for about 30 minutes in the middle of the afternoon with Talulah [Riley], as she was curious about meeting this strange person for a novel she was writing. We did not see anything inappropriate at all, apart from weird art. He tried repeatedly to get me to visit his island. I declined.”



How Epstein obtained his fortune is a matter of feverish speculation. His claim to a billionaire-only client list now seems laughable to the bankers I spoke with. One Wall Street source with direct knowledge of Epstein’s business said one source of Epstein’s income was providing “tax advice and estate planning” to rich clients, like Apollo Global Management founder Leon Black, presumably because Epstein had experience with offshore funds after basing his office in the Virgin Islands. In 2015 Black made a $10 million donation to Epstein’s foundation. (Black declined to comment.)

canetoad

(20,769 posts)
25. I came to post the exact same thing
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:14 AM
Jul 2019

About Musk. Did Epstein intend to set him up and blackmail him?

chowder66

(12,242 posts)
27. There's been some speculation that this is how he's getting his money
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:36 AM
Jul 2019

and people in his pocket. That second passage makes me wonder if he got Black with the 10 million donation to his "charity".

Then again maybe Black donated thinking he was legit.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
55. Black, who founded Apollo Global was a former exec at Drexel Burnham Lambert
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:12 PM
Jul 2019

Apollo Global was interestingly enough, founded by Black who was formerly an exec at Drexel Burnham Lambert.

DBL was at the epicenter of the junk/penny bond scandal in the early nineties led by Michael Milken.

Not-too-strange bedfellows, it seems.

 

richsonpoordad

(83 posts)
20. i hope there is no way for this revelation to be stopped.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:57 PM
Jul 2019

I also hope that the documents about the Cohen payoffs to Trump's mistresses can't be stopped. Is there any way that Barr can stop this? My partner says there is no way unless the judge doesn't show up.

True Dough

(26,667 posts)
31. It's a legitimate concern
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:50 AM
Jul 2019

Remember the Panama Papers? Far too few paid any real consequences for all the tax fraud. The rich and famous get a pass far too often.

machoneman

(4,128 posts)
52. No, Barr can't stop the judge's order. If it were the AG, local Federal or other prosecutor, then...
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jul 2019

...yes he could. But even the USA's AG, turd that he is, can't stop any judges release of these docs. He could appeal same even up to the SC but they would have to stand by the lower courts decision here.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
37. To establish dominance over innocence. Establish their "manly" superiority over half the planet.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 03:03 AM
Jul 2019

Last edited Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:16 AM - Edit history (1)

Yeah. It's fucking sick. Which proves those men to be the worst of males on the planet.

Quality men never fear equality with women.

Only inferior boys in men's bodies force fuck them into fear.

Predation is jungle. Anti-civilization.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
50. That's the thing. Their bodies are manly but their insides never grew up.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:18 AM
Jul 2019

Arrested development (all apologies to one of my favorite old musicians).

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
26. This represents the true dark underbelly of our world.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:19 AM
Jul 2019

Owning or having access to vast wealth means you can do what you please and conceal it from public view....

Until the world tears down the walls of elitism and economic inequality, this practice will continue.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
35. The one thing we can be assured of, Shred...
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:41 AM
Jul 2019

is that there will be vast sums poured into attorney retainers, PR campaigns on public and social media and political and business-related bribes to provide cover for these miscreants. Comes in hand with being filthy rich, I think.

Much of this will get lost in our current atmosphere of hyper-saturated news and entertainment and after the dust settles, a few will go down (for the show) and the uber-wealthy will go on about their usual hidden immoral and criminal behavior.

It will continue unabated so long as we have that secretive international dark underbelly of humanity that believe their wealth earns them the right to be immune to the law and common standards of behavior.

KY........

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
33. Oh I hope it comes out but I won't be surprised when it's all locked away again.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:01 AM
Jul 2019

Barr will use everything in his power to keep this information out of the press.
I'm sure we'll hear of Justice Department suing to keep the docs secret soon and the legal case will go on for years.

Though possibly prominent Democratic names and Trump enemies will be leaked.

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
38. dershowitz
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 03:06 AM
Jul 2019

"I never got a massage"

"Well I got one massage, but I kept my underwear on"

"Well, maybe she took it off, but she never touched me there"

"Well, maybe she did touch me... but I didn't ask for it"

"Well, maybe I did ask her but I never expected it"

"oh, is THAT is what you mean by Happy Ending"

OhZone

(3,216 posts)
53. She was an old Russian Woman
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:39 AM
Jul 2019

"I mean she's old now, and her name was Oksana"

"I mean she was 21 at the time, and her name was Olesya"

"I mean she was a youthful, skinny 18 Odessa"

"OK, I forced little 13 yo Orina! But it was legal on Epstein's Island, I was told."

lanlady

(7,229 posts)
41. I've got a bad case of DC Madam deja vu
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 04:58 AM
Jul 2019

There was a lot of anticipation about that one. Stock up the popcorn, heads are gonna roll. Big political careers ended. No one will be left to run the country.

Instead, the one name it netted was... David Vitter. Big whoop! And some State Department official no one knew or cared about.

Lord, I HOPE the Vanity Fair piece turns out to be true but this seems like an all too familiar refrain that'll end in disappointment.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
42. Mixed feelings. Absolutely to outing those who were complicit,
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 05:13 AM
Jul 2019

including frequent guests like Dersho-douche. But when billionaires invite people for various reasons, most accept for various reasons that have nothing to do with the entertainment provided at his parties. It seems inevitable that some people who don't really deserve it will be hurt, the more famous the worse.

But oh well. You don't have to actually lie down with dogs to get their fleas. Very few visitors wouldn't at least have heard rumors about Epstein's underage entertainment. I will try to hold judgement against names without further information, though.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
46. I'm skeptical this will be released. I don't know how it will be blocked but the PTB will try
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:24 AM
Jul 2019

Hope I'm wrong but they've had success tamping this shit down for so long I'm cynical

Botany

(77,323 posts)
54. "Dershowitz has been going on television and dialing up friends and reporters to profess ...
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:49 AM
Jul 2019

... his innocence ..."

Now we know that Epstein has been blackmailing Dershowitz.

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
56. This reminds me of the Franklin S&L scandal from circa 1990.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jul 2019

Except that one got swept under the rug. This one is finally seeing the light of day.

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