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BREAKING: Epstein Lawyer claims fake Passport was a gift from a friend... (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2019 OP
So...someone else used a passport with HIS picture?! Qutzupalotl Jul 2019 #1
The story would be that the passport was of someone else, got used, then the photo was mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #9
Sounds legit. nt Qutzupalotl Jul 2019 #13
It's more possible than the story you were proposing ... mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Qutzupalotl Jul 2019 #21
Who looks like their passport photo? jberryhill Jul 2019 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Qutzupalotl Jul 2019 #24
Guessing that friend is MBS htuttle Jul 2019 #2
So his legal team is lying to the court? Cartaphelius Jul 2019 #6
MAGA: Making Attorneys Get Attorneys htuttle Jul 2019 #12
A friend in the Austrian passport office? in Mossad? dalton99a Jul 2019 #3
18 U.S. Code  1543 htuttle Jul 2019 #4
There's still a jurrisdiction issue FBaggins Jul 2019 #8
Conveniently, their story avoids all of that ... nothing there about being 'in possession of' mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #15
Correct jberryhill Jul 2019 #20
Yeh, I remember that time ScratchCat Jul 2019 #5
OMG, I remember one birthday party where 3 people gave me fake passports. tanyev Jul 2019 #32
It looks truthy to me RainCaster Jul 2019 #7
It belonged to someone else, someone else used it, then the photo was changed mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #10
A gift from a friend? FM123 Jul 2019 #11
Pick a pretty one dalton99a Jul 2019 #14
One? I'll take them all! FM123 Jul 2019 #18
My money is on that Epstein has more of those where they came from and he got more after it expired Pachamama Jul 2019 #30
RIIIIIIIIGHT! True Dough Jul 2019 #16
Would that be the friend who supplied Phoenix61 Jul 2019 #22
one "gift" in exchange for another? DBoon Jul 2019 #31
Oh, yeah... I get prank fake passports from my friends all the time. Hugin Jul 2019 #23
Isn't that the most telling part of this? llmart Jul 2019 #25
Along with 70 grand and a heap of diamonds. Hugin Jul 2019 #27
So THAT'S what you get for the man... skypilot Jul 2019 #26
Officer, those aren't MY drugs. They are a friend's drugs. bitterross Jul 2019 #28
His friend Mr. Netanyahu? His friend Mr. Putin? His friend MBS? Pachamama Jul 2019 #29
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
9. The story would be that the passport was of someone else, got used, then the photo was
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:19 AM
Jul 2019

changed to Epstein's, and given to him.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
17. It's more possible than the story you were proposing ...
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:30 AM
Jul 2019

Not saying I necessarily believe it, but ... 1980's passports weren't real high-tech.

Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #17)

Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #9)

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
2. Guessing that friend is MBS
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:12 AM
Jul 2019

He used the passport more than once. There were border stamps in it.

That's not a very good excuse.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
12. MAGA: Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jul 2019

It's not like we haven't seen other lawyers breaking the law for clients like Trump and Epstein. Seems like there's a price tag attached to their ethics.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
4. 18 U.S. Code  1543
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:14 AM
Jul 2019
Whoever falsely makes, forges, counterfeits, mutilates, or alters any passport or instrument purporting to be a passport, with intent that the same may be used; or

Whoever willfully and knowingly uses, or attempts to use, or furnishes to another for use any such false, forged, counterfeited, mutilated, or altered passport or instrument purporting to be a passport, or any passport validly issued which has become void by the occurrence of any condition therein prescribed invalidating the same—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 25 years (if the offense was committed to facilitate an act of international terrorism (as defined in section 2331 of this title)), 20 years (if the offense was committed to facilitate a drug trafficking crime (as defined in section 929(a) of this title)), 10 years (in the case of the first or second such offense, if the offense was not committed to facilitate such an act of international terrorism or a drug trafficking crime), or 15 years (in the case of any other offense), or both.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
8. There's still a jurrisdiction issue
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:16 AM
Jul 2019

That would apply to any fake US passport... and would probably apply to the use of an Austrian passport to enter the US...


... but if he used a fake Austrian passport in travel between the EU and Japan... the US probably couldn't charge him under that law.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
15. Conveniently, their story avoids all of that ... nothing there about being 'in possession of'
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jul 2019

So could be it's actually not illegal to possess unless he himself altered it or caused it to be altered or used it illegally.

ScratchCat

(2,002 posts)
5. Yeh, I remember that time
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:15 AM
Jul 2019

that my buddy gave me a foreign passport with my picture and some other name on it for my birthday. Who hasn't gotten one?

tanyev

(42,609 posts)
32. OMG, I remember one birthday party where 3 people gave me fake passports.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jul 2019

And I was like, "You guys, what part of NO PRESENTS did you not understand??"

RainCaster

(10,913 posts)
7. It looks truthy to me
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:16 AM
Jul 2019

Except for the stamps, showing that he used it. This was an Austrian passport, so if it was fake, their government would have no record of this, right? Check with the Austrian embassy.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. It belonged to someone else, someone else used it, then the photo was changed
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:22 AM
Jul 2019

then it was given to Epstein.

That's their story. We have no way of knowing it's true or not.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
30. My money is on that Epstein has more of those where they came from and he got more after it expired
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jul 2019

I think that its just that is what was what the FBI found at the NY residence when they raided....who knows what is at the other residences or that he hasn't had hidden elsewhere since.

Hugin

(33,198 posts)
23. Oh, yeah... I get prank fake passports from my friends all the time.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jul 2019

I don't keep them in a safe, tho.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
25. Isn't that the most telling part of this?
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jul 2019

He felt the need to keep it locked away.

I call bullshit.

Hugin

(33,198 posts)
27. Along with 70 grand and a heap of diamonds.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:57 AM
Jul 2019

It was his getaway kit. No question.

All that was missing was a latex Nixon mask.

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