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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou don't count the impeachment votes before the impeachment hearings, you do it after the hearings.
DUH!
The stupidity and lack of courage in this country is what will bring us down. After Mueller testifies the Democrats must start impeachment hearings and see where it leads. Not to do so will wreck our democracy.
The evidence is there, it is overwhelming. Show it to the American people in impeachment hearings and if they decide to let Trump slide for all he has done, so be it. Let the American people meet their fate. If they decide to destroy themselves like the American people have done before, that is exactly what should happen.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)DURec
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And even if it were, it's not even close.
But support is building.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)They are holding as a block. But they have a leader holding them steady to protect the president. What would the count be if that one leader flipped?
stopdiggin
(11,358 posts)I kinda' like to have my headlights on when driving at night. Thanks.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,654 posts)Not following the polls
Pelosi should create cover for the swing state reps to cite to open an inquiry no later than Labor Day...
Poiuyt
(18,130 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,626 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,070 posts)You would think people would want someone like Trump to fall hard.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And right now, there aren't enough votes to open an impeachment inquiry.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)KPN
(15,649 posts)to see what happens next week, shall we? Im pretty much where you are on Mueller, but Im willing to wait one more week before calling him a spineless coward or worse. If he disappoints, it will be hard for me not to think worse like another cog in the traitorous cabal.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,018 posts)We have the truth and facts on our side.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)If an issue doesn't have the votes to pass, it rarely gets raised.
Fuck that, I want people on record voting 'No'.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)I detest our obsession with polls. Polls are not the final vote. Let them make the case, then we can vote and find out. And no, we are not entitled to know the results beforehand. It's far too excessive now. In this case poll results are being used to justify suppression of the right and duty of the House to conduct oversight.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I hope your post stays up.
diva77
(7,652 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:02 PM - Edit history (1)
reign, it is astounding to realize now how fragile it all is/was and how important it is to get an impeachment inquiry underway. All the great legislation in the world is rendered impotent while corrupt, greedy, malicious monsters destroy the rule of law.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)spanone
(135,866 posts)mountain grammy
(26,646 posts)ProfessionalLeft
(83 posts)triron
(22,019 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)We are the American people. You and I and everyone else on the this board. We can see the exact same things that every other American in this country can see.
And we know that he's guilty based only on what we see. What we see today. Congress, who can see even more right now also know that he's guilty. Unfortunately, the American people do not decide this. Congress does.
The reality is that the voting counting starts early and never stops. Bills and impeachments aren't decided on vote day. It's decided everyday. It's more like a trial in the media than it is a jury trial in court.
Nancy Pelosi already has determined that the trial has been lost, and she feels that only greater harm to -us- will come by actually holding it. Think of Pelosi as our lawyer who is telling us that settling out of court gives a better result than the trial.
That's a pretty uncomfortable reality. But it's our reality.