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I'm not setting my expectations too high. blueinredohio Jul 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author blogslut Jul 2019 #2
What some people chose to worry about ... marble falls Jul 2019 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2019 #4
Attorneys are paid to worry. I imagine Trump's lawyers have much more ... marble falls Jul 2019 #5
Again customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #6
One of 2 things Timewas Jul 2019 #7
I think Mueller will be a nothing burger. I do like your idea. nt Hotler Jul 2019 #8
Hope to hell someone on Committee actually read the Report and Barr's Summary before stepping in it. Hoyt Jul 2019 #9

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
1. I'm not setting my expectations too high.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:41 AM
Jul 2019

Response to Name removed (Original post)

marble falls

(70,072 posts)
3. What some people chose to worry about ...
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:03 AM
Jul 2019

1. I think Mueller will handle himself with at least the ability that Peter Strzok showed at his testimony.



2. The Democratic members are fully capable of asking the right questions to allow Mueller to get his points across.

Response to marble falls (Reply #3)

marble falls

(70,072 posts)
5. Attorneys are paid to worry. I imagine Trump's lawyers have much more ...
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:10 AM
Jul 2019

to worry about.

This is all part of the process we will need to get through if we're looking to impeach a President.

customerserviceguy

(25,406 posts)
6. Again
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:23 AM
Jul 2019

another version of, "If people only knew what Trump was up to, they'd demand impeachment, too!"

The documentary would get worse ratings than re-runs of "Supertrain". Most Americans don't have time or patience for anything that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

Timewas

(2,608 posts)
7. One of 2 things
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:27 AM
Jul 2019

We have been waiting quite a while for our supposed knight in shining armor (Mueller) to bring this illegitimate presidency to an end...Either he has data proving our country was attacked by Russian hackers and gave the election away and for some reason this brave soul is afraid to come out and be our savior or we have been punked all along. If he is the great hero all have made him out to be he would be right out front with it. He hasn't been doing that instead has been quite reluctant to talk about it... all this time we have waited seems to be nothing but pure and simple delaying tactics by the retrumplicans.. we have been taken for a ride so far, if he does better this week I will be surprised...

Hotler

(13,693 posts)
8. I think Mueller will be a nothing burger. I do like your idea. nt
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jul 2019
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Hope to hell someone on Committee actually read the Report and Barr's Summary before stepping in it.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jul 2019

For example, Barr's Summary specifically says Mueller did not exonerate trump.

Here's the language from Barr's Summary:

"After making a “thorough factual investigation” into these matters, the Special Counsel considered whether to evaluate the conduct under Department standards regarding prosecution and conviction but ultimately determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion — one way or the other — as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as “difficult issues” of law and fact concerning whether the President’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction. The Special Counsel’s report states that “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”
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Why give Mueller a chance to say, "Congressperson, maybe you ought to read the documents you are asking me about."


Further, Barr's summary specifically admits Russia interfered in the election through a Disinformation campaign and hacking.

I think trump's campaign did conspire/coordinate/collude with the Ruskies, but Mueller's Report concludes exactly what Barr said in his summary: As the report states and Barr quoted in his summary: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

I think Barr did err in his summary that if there is no underlying crime, there can't be Obstruction. But, even Mueller's Report gives trump an out with respect to that.

And, Obstruction loses some of its impact unless we get Mueller to make a point that Obstruction kept the investigation from determining pertinent facts. That's one of the questions that our Party needs ask Mueller pointedly.

If the Committee doesn't get to the heart of the matter, this aspect of Impeachment is likely dead after Wednesday. Personally, at this point, I think we have a better shot investigating other matters regarding Impeachment such as Presidential racism, dereliction of duty, campaign finance irregularities, attempting to prosecute political opponents (like Clinton), advocating violence, breaking treaties, incompetence in office, disregarding Presidential functions, abuse of power, violating free speech, and a whole lot more.

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