************Thread 3 Mueller Hearing**************

[bdamomma]

Thread 3.

[BumRushDaShow]

1. **** ABOUT TO START AGAIN ****

As Mueller enters now.

[Lars39]

2. Thanks, bdamomma!

[bdamomma]

4. No problem

here we go again.

[Lars39]

3. Cedric Richmond is up

[uponit7771]

5. GET IT DEMS !! Back to OoJ !!!

[Lars39]

6. Back to obstruction..mcgahn

[bdamomma]

7. Get ready

for the sick tweets from the orange menace

[dem4decades]

8. Mueller won't even comment on his own report. What bullshit.

[uponit7771]

10. It works both ways though, it does allow dems to state the report ... that's a good thing

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. There was certainly a very important confirmation of a key question by Richmond.

I uttered "holy fuck" under my breath and now I can't remember the exact question and response. Hope it gets attention and not buried.

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. Dems certainly are pointing a laser on McGahn (obstruction of justice/suborning perjury).

[uponit7771]

12. +1, it looks like they're laser locked. They should just keep repeating NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. I must be on a delayed feed. Just heard Richmond close with those six words.

[dem4decades]

11. Mueller won't even say what is a crime.

[Lars39]

14. Matt Gaetz is up

Steele Dossier again

[Pacifist Patriot]

18. I have to put that dipshit on mute. He makes me want to puke.

[onecaliberal]

24. Me too

[dem4decades]

19. It's like a Republican All Star Shithead team.

[Lars39]

23. Truly puke worthy

[dem4decades]

27. Maybe he'd like a drink.

[Lars39]

32. Apt

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212310219

[Tarc]

16. Does every member of the Judiciary Committee get to ask questions today?

Looking forward to Swalwell and Lieu if so.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. I sincerely hope so. I'm chomping at the bit to get to them!

[malaise]

17. Gaetz walks straight into the gate

Fucking idiot

[uponit7771]

21. LOFL !! gonna use that one ... Mueller isn't even listening to him now ... stupid ass'd Gaetz

[demmiblue]

22. Muting.

I don't know who is worse, him or Gym.

[malaise]

28. A three way tie with crazy Louie

[demmiblue]

29. That too, also!

[malaise]

51. I should have said drove through the gate

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212310219

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. I'm grateful Meadows isn't on Judiciary.

[fishwax]

33. lol -- so true!

[onecaliberal]

38. Serious douche

[Lars39]

25. It's still under investigation...not under my purview

[bdamomma]

26. Repigs

vile POS aren't they. Picking on the Mueller sickening. They have nothing.

[fishwax]

30. Matt Gaetz isn't great with logic

there are only two possibilities: Steele made the accusation up, or the Russians were lying to him.

Third possibility: The info about conspiracy in the Steele Dossier was true.

[malaise]

37. He thinks screaming is the best approach

What a loser

[smirkymonkey]

31. He is such a dick! He's so unprofessional.

He sounds like he's about to start screeching little a little boy who had a toy taken away. He thinks he so smart, but he's just another self-righteous, republican moron.

[Aviation Pro]

35. Florida Man

Nothing more can sum up this waste of a zygote and oxygen thief.

[Lars39]

36. Hakeem Jeffries is up

[Laura PourMeADrink]

79. Wow...Mueller doesn't agree with obstruction chart??? Whaaaaa?

[uponit7771]

39. BACK TO OoJ !!! Nice Jefferies, start out with what you're going to tell them, tell them then tell

... them what you told them.

[Lars39]

40. Back to obstruction

[bdamomma]

41. the repigs go off

when he said it's not in our perview" Trying to confuse Mueller.


Cut the repigs off. Good call.

[blogslut]

42. OIC what the GOP is trying to do

They're trying to claim the Steele dossier is Russian disinfo + implying the Steele dossier is the reason the FBI opened an investigation into the Trump campaign - which it is not.

Also I want to slap Matt Gaetz smug Busey-mouthed face.

[Lars39]

43. Attempt to remove....is obstruction

[spooky3]

44. Gaetz drank too many cups of coffee. Nt

[uponit7771]

45. **FAUX NEWS CYRON***: Obstruction of Justice Is A Federal Offense !!

Keep up the Good work dems !!!

[librechik]

136. thanks for monitoring FUX News--

a disgusting job but always good to see it in one of these threads. Hardly ever happens. BTW, "chyron"

[Lars39]

46. Trump's tweets will do him in

witch-hunt

[dem4decades]

47. Why can't Mueller say what a crime is?

[Hoyt]

48. Jeffries is good.

[Lars39]

49. Corrupt intent..generally true

[Lars39]

50. Confirmed "I'm fucked"

[Lars39]

52. Wealth of info being revealed by Jeffries

[Lars39]

54. Muller seems to somewhat disagree with Jeffries summation

No one is above the law

[brooklynite]

53. Unlike a lot of Democrats on the Committee, Jeffries is layering an argument.

[Pacifist Patriot]

57. I got distracted at work. Did Mueller disavow Jeffries' analysis at the end?

[Lars39]

60. He said something like...he didn't necessarily agree with it.

It *almost* sounded like he thought the prez would be above the law...ooc guideline

[Pacifist Patriot]

61. Thanks

[stopwastingmymoney]

65. I'm not supportive of that analytical charge

To which Jeffries replied with a cheery Thank you

[BSdetect]

100. Why is he not supportive? WTF

[demmiblue]

72. Here is the video:

Link to tweet

[underpants]

86. 👀

Watching Florida Man later

[underpants]

163. Night and day

Jeffries is great. Gaetz thinks he's on Hannity's show.

[Lars39]

55. Ken Buck is up

[Ponietz]

59. Kinda looks and sounds like Orrin Hatch

Love child?

[gademocrat7]

56. Democrats hammering home Obstruction of Justice.

[Lars39]

58. Very cohesive message isn't it

[Aviation Pro]

62. Don't underestimate Buck

Unlike the other fucking morons he is actually focusing on facts for his side.

[Pacifist Patriot]

66. He was certainly more measured and asked actual questions, but...

the last minute of his five certainly did Trump no favors.

[fishwax]

69. His manner was better, but I think he blew it at the end

He was trying to make the case, consistent with the republican line, that the obstruction charge is manufactured, etc. But he really just drove home the fact that, in contrast to the conspiracy charge they declined to pursue, the office found lots of evidence for the obstruction charge.

[Pacifist Patriot]

81. He either blew it or deliberately sabotaged his party's strategy.

I don't know anything about him. Is he a Trumpist or a closeted "moderate" Republican?

[Lars39]

63. David Cicilline (sp) is up

[fishwax]

64. Ken Buck seems to be making the point for the democrats

There was insufficient evidence to pursue corruption charges.

That wasn't the case with the obstruction charges, but the special counsel saw his hands tied by department policy.

[faymer7]

67. YES!! That should be the headline after this hearing.

[Ninga]

68. Yep. Buck did not end well, letting Mueller had his say

[Lars39]

70. Lewandowski delivery of message

[Midnightwalk]

71. Stepped in it

What I just heard was they decided they didn't have enough evidence for conspiracy so they said that. They couldn’t say that for obstruction because OLC said they couldn’t indict.

[Pacifist Patriot]

75. Buck waltzed right through that door. Bet that wasn't within his marching orders.

[fishwax]

78. Yep. That was pretty clear from the initial report, but Buck just walked Mueller through it

Thanks for the assist, dude!

[Doremus]

73. Shit show. Did no one know this guy would be such a poor witness?

He's a weasel. Weasels write weaselly reports and give weaselly testimony. Bah.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

80. He's doing exactly what he said he'd do.

That's not weaseling, that's honesty.

[Doremus]

113. An honest weasel is still a weasel. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

115. I'm not seeing the weasel part. At all.

[bdamomma]

74. I like

when the Democrats read the findings and Mueller says correct. So it's part of the record.

[Pacifist Patriot]

76. Very smart

[Lars39]

77. Might be getting more info to the public this way

[Laura PourMeADrink]

83. Like too...but not getting new info. Need both

[Lars39]

84. We're not, but people who haven't read Mueller report are

[Laura PourMeADrink]

97. Yes..if they can listen fast enough.

[Lars39]

82. Andy Biggs is up

Back to Russians and election

[Laura PourMeADrink]

85. Why not .."you prove that Russians have interfered

Why do you think the president and GOP have done nothing?

He won't answer but it will get that out

[fishwax]

87. this Biggs line of questioning is odd -- I gues he's trying to lay the groundwork for

the supposed "conflict" that trump keeps claiming Mueller has?

[Lars39]

88. Eric Swalwell is up

[GitRDun]

89. Just tuned in this hearing seems pretty useless

Mueller seems dazed, confused, and not a guy that is intimately familiar with the work in the report.

IMO they should be getting Mueller to speak.

Yes and no, true and false questions help nothing.

[JCMach1]

99. Yep, that's about the size of the nothing burger

[Laura PourMeADrink]

140. Let the man speak. And why isn't nadler saying

"the witness may respond" he just gavels out

[riversedge]

90. Buck: "You believeyou could charge.. the President with obstruction of justice after he left office"

Richard Hine
‏ @richardhine
3m3 minutes ago

BREAKING: #GOP @RepKenBuck gives Democrats the soundbite they need.

Buck: “You believe he committed—you could charge the President with obstruction of justice after he left office.”

Mueller: “Yes.”

#MuellerHearings #MuellerReport

Link to tweet

[cbdo2007]

101. Yep, this is at the heart of everything...whether or not you can indict a sitting President.

They should focus more of their hearing on that specific question. If they say "No" then that is true that a President could do anything including shoot someone on 5th Ave, and they could not be held accountable until after they leave office.

[Iliyah]

112. Yep.

Democrats are hitting the ball out of the park!

[Lars39]

91. Ted Lieu is up!

[Pacifist Patriot]

95. Seems we've run out of Republicans to alternate with?

Whew! My ear drums were developing screeching fatigue.

ETA: Darnit! Was hoping Swalwell straight to Lieu meant the Republicans were done.

[dem4decades]

108. Mueller wouldn't even read his own language in his report. What a jerk.

[Pacifist Patriot]

114. Referring to the report instead of reading it saves time and enters actual report into the record.

[dem4decades]

121. Mueller made Lieu read it. No time was saved, Mueller saved himself from having to put his voice

to his own words.

[emmaverybo]

135. Reading in a sinister motive. No need. Well known that Mueller is nervous public speaker. He

obviously wrote the report and stands by it.

[Pacifist Patriot]

137. Ah. Someone walked into my office during Lieu's time. (of course)

[demmiblue]

124. Is it true that the reason you did not indict DJT is because of the OLC memo? Yes.

Actually @tedlieu got an even clearer answer: Is it true that the reason you did not indict DJT is because of the OLC memo? Yes.

Link to tweet

[Lars39]

92. Obstruction is the focus

[Takket]

93. The more I hear of this

The more pissed off I am that mueller placed so much power in the DOJ memo about not indicting. Doing that has held all this up.

[Pacifist Patriot]

105. Sure sounds like it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

107. Yes. And why does Mueller say it would be unconstitutional?

And how can the rule be changed?

[Pacifist Patriot]

111. Not sure why he asserts that. I don't think the constitutionality of the memo..

has ever been tested or decided conclusively.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

123. The OLC memo opines that it would be unconstitutional. It's never been tested in court,

and the final decision would be with the Supreme Court. And maybe we don't want this Supreme Court to answer that question. But as of now the OLC memo was the only legal authority he had, so he was pretty much stuck with it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

129. Thanks for explaining!

[True Dough]

94. Lieu very methodical in his questioning

Piecing things together masterfully.

[demmiblue]

103. Same line of questioning as Jeffries.

Good... cements obstruction of justice in a methodical way.

I like his pace of questioning, as well.

[narnian60]

106. Yes.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

96. Diamond and Silk fans, they're showing the proceedings live as well.

LIVE: Robert Mueller Testifies Before Congress

Link to tweet

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OwxWkVjlOkxQ

They're taking comments.

[Aviation Pro]

98. Finally, the road map is unfolding

All aboard the impeachment train.

[Pacifist Patriot]

102. That's what I think I am seeing.

[llmart]

116. Agreed!

Dems are laying it out and doing a good job.

[Lars39]

104. Tom McClintock is up

[Lars39]

109. Back to Manafort

[Laura PourMeADrink]

110. EVERYONE..LET THE MAN TALK !!!!!!

[Lars39]

117. McClintock...no evidence of troll farms

[Lars39]

118. McClintock trying to impugn Mueller again

[Lars39]

119. Jamie Raskin is up

[Lars39]

120. Cohen being discussed :)

[PA Democrat]

122. Geez, now the Republicans are trying to absolve the Russians

from any wrongdoing as well. Troll farms were not affiliated with the Russian government???? By what stretch of the imagination is that true?

[Lars39]

126. I know right? Mind boggling

[Laura PourMeADrink]

131. Ask .."why do you think GOP and prez I have done nothing?

To protect vote?

He won't answer but it will remind everyone

[superpatriotman]

125. Thank you, Mr. Raskin's hair person

Nt

[elleng]

128. Thank you Mr. Raskin!

[mrsadm]

127. I can summarize Mueller's responses in 2 phrases

"That was not in my purview"

"I cannot go into that"

[Lars39]

130. Stormy Daniels, Cohen reimbursements

[fishwax]

132. At this point, republicans are basically admitting the report has all sorts of damning info about

trump. They've switched entirely from "the report clears the president" (which was the argument when the report came out) to the claim that Mueller isn't reliable.

I think that's a pretty surprising turn of events. The last few republican questioners have talked at length about how the report contains all kinds of bad info about trump.

[stopwastingmymoney]

152. +1

[Ponietz]

133. Republicans in bad faith

and proving that confrontation is inevitable and best ASAP.

[Lars39]

134. Debbie Lesko is up

Ooc opinion

[Pacifist Patriot]

141. Whoever follows her, needs to make the point that actually firing Mueller

wasn't necessary for Trump's actions to constitute obstruction of justice.

[malaise]

145. She actually called him Miller

Damn she is a lying lightweight and she wants more time

[Pacifist Patriot]

147. I thought I heard her say that, but wasn't sure.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

156. Just heard that! Dingbat.

[Aviation Pro]

138. What I find interesting

The Democrats are putting the text of what they're speaking to on a overhead for all to see while the Republickspittles are forcing Director Mueller to find the pages in the 448-page document.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

162. I don't see Mueller looking at screen..is he?

[Sunsky]

139. IMO

The Republicans are doing what they came to do. The Democrats not so much. Nadler did a masterful job, a few others as well. However, nobody is rebutting the Republican propaganda. Mueller is not the sharpest witness. This is will not help us. If the Mueller hearings were to jump start an impeachment inquiry, then so far impeachment is dead. Hopefully, Schiff and the Intel committee will redeem us.

[Pacifist Patriot]

142. The first question out of the Democrat after Lesko has to be...

"Can Trump's action be considered obstruction of justice even if he did not actually fire you?"

[Laura PourMeADrink]

144. They are sticking to script too much and not following

Up ad lib.

[Pacifist Patriot]

149. Yep. Jayapal should have rebutted Lesko before going into her first question.

[Sunsky]

157. Exactly nt

[Ponietz]

150. So much depends on how the MSM reports on it

[Laura PourMeADrink]

161. And we need to get something new for a headline!!!

Ok to reiterate report of course...

[Lars39]

143. Jayapal is up

[blogslut]

146. HAHA Debbie Lesko tries to stump Mueller and fails!

Watching her sputter was very enjoyable.

[DesertRat]

151. She's an idiot

[dem4decades]

153. She didn't do very well.

[Lars39]

148. What does it mean to flip

[llmart]

155. Jayapal did a very good job.

The goal of the Dems is to give a synopsis of the report that they can understand.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

158. Agree...but hell at least try to get him speak so

We can learn something new.

[llmart]

159. He said many times that he was going to stick to the report.

I think the Dems decided the best thing to do was to read the important stuff in the report so that the average American can see all the obstruction that Trump did. Most Americans are not and will not either read the report or watch the hearings live. After all, most of Americans have busy lives and aren't as politically aware as DU'ers are. This way the soundbites will be the things in the report that will justify impeachment.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

160. Agree.do that .but at least try to get something new..we

Need a headline badly

Also..it's the last time we will hear from him

[Midnightwalk]

154. Ken starr witch hunt

Screwed us so many ways including changing the staute because if his abuses