BOOM! The gears are grinding

[sheshe2]

by Liberal Librarian

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Why is this important? Because an impeachment inquiry is a different kettle of fish than regular oversight. Donald Trump and his minions can stall and obfuscate and refuse to respond to subpoenas and tie the process up in the courts. With an official inquiry, that goes out the window. Unless judges want to upend completely our system of governance, Judiciary subpoenas will now be enforced by the courts because they’re part of an impeachment inquiry. This move by chairman Jerry Nadler relates specifically to grand jury records. Those will now be provided to the committee.

In one fell swoop, Democrats have kneecapped the Trump regime. It was always bound to come down to this, because this regime cares nothing for constitutional norms. Now we’ll see if conservative judges do. My guess is that most of them won’t want to go down in infamy.

Strap in, kids. We’re getting there.

Read More: https://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2019/7/26/boom-the-gears-are-grinding

[guillaumeb]

1. Recommended.

This is a different level of chess.

Trump's main experience has been with state level civil litigation.

The problem for Trump is that all of his actions so far have revolved around obstruction, witness intimidation, and refusing to cooperate.

And Trump must do this because, as informed voters already know, the facts are against him.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

2. temper the excitement -- SCOTUS is packed

Things will still move slowly and we must not forget the packing, by Moscow Mitch, of SCOTUS.

Keep pushing.

[japple]

3. Look at this list of tRUMP appointed judges posted earlier on DU today by

SouthernProgressive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Donald_Trump

[OMGWTF]

13. FIFTEEN federal agency heads are "acting" and as a result,

Shitler is packing the federal government with corporate shills.

[srobertss]

4. Election interference alone is a huge leg to stand on

The Senate report on election interference was pretty amazing. Couple that with what Mueller said about it happening right now and for 2020 and I think we have to move quickly. Russia knows that this administration is unwilling to defend our elections so they may take out all the stops for 2020. I read that former Solicitor General Walter Dellinger said on Chris Hayes' show last night that crimes may or may not rise to impeachable levels, but failing to defend the country from attack because it favors you politically is definitely impeachable. I wish this were getting more media attention. If nothing else, we might force them to protect our vote.

[BigmanPigman]

10. Someone suggested getting huge protests planned

over the Aug Recess for the Fall. It would need to be bigger than the Women's March and more like what the protests in Puerto Rico and Hong Kong. Americans are pissed about Putin attacking our elections so that issue could fire more citizens up too....and lead to impeachment.

[srobertss]

14. I agree we need to demonstrate our alarm.

I’ve been slow to pay attention to this issue, but hearing that they were going after all 50 states and that we don’t really know whether they succeeded in altering vote totals has made me rethink this. My senator Wyden said this and he is not prone to hyperbole. I can totally imagine that the Russians were holding back, thinking that Clinton would win and their attack would be revealed. But this is a different ball game. And they don’t need to go after very many states, just the 5 or so swing states.

The other very strange thing they did that came out in the report was the Russian embassy requested being allowed to monitor elections. And when the State dept refused, they started trying to get permission from individual states. Empty wheel.net printed this portion of the report:

‘Following this October 5, 2016 Twitter conversation, (Maria) BUTINA and [Aleksandr Torshin] discussed whether BUTINA should volunteer to serve as a U.S. election observer from Russia and agreed that the risk was too high. [Torshin] expressed the opinion that the “risk of provocation is too high and the ‘media hype’ which comes after it,” and BUTINA agreed by responding, “Only incognito! Right now everything has to be quiet and careful.”’

Well now they don’t need to be so quiet and careful. Criminey. And that report was heavily redacted. The thinking of a lot of election officials was that if people knew what was going on, then the Russians would have accomplished their goal of undermining our confidence in our elections. Well guess what? Hiding the truth also does that.

So many people are urging caution on impeachment and saying the election is the way to remove him. But we need to raise the stakes on Republicans unwillingness to protect the election. Protests leading to a demand for impeachment over this issue may be our only tool for doing that.

[BigmanPigman]

17. Very well said!

[pecosbob]

22. We basically need Save the World from Trump AID with Freddie Mercury headlining...

Not fighting fire with fire, but with a tsunami. Play a song...or a lot of them. That's what Woody would do. We have the star power to take their airspace and oxygen away. We absolutely have the power.

[BigmanPigman]

26. I was the first in my city to sign up for the 2017 Women's

March and that was about 6 weeks before the actual event. That is what I expect we would need to get an organized and well attended protest going. Musicians and celeb reties wouldn't hurt, that's for sure. The big Civil Rights march in DC in the early 60s had both. We need millions to show up in each major city but also TONS in the smaller cities and towns to make it look like a nationwide event and not just the "liberal elites on the coasts".

[Takket]

5. Some wise men once said....

You gotta fight
For your right
To paaaaaaaaaaaaaaarty

Whelp, this is the fight

[moonseller66]

6. That silence you hear from the SCOTUS Chambers...

is five worried men in robes very quietly huddling to try to come up with ANY obscure reason the House can't do this.

(edited for stupidity)

[Duppers]

7. And the R's will have their think tanks

Also working on this.

The Heritage Foundation is always behind the scenes on everything, talking points, etc. Think the Repubs are smart enough to come up with all their crap? Ha.
And big corporations, big $ supports the Heritage Foundation. (I know a pos who works for H.F.)

[CrispyQ]

19. And they will broadcast their message throughout red America via hate radio.

& rural Americans won't hear any challenging or competitive message because the dems/left never took hate radio seriously. I realize it's like crying over spilt milk, except they still ignore it.

On edit: read certainot's post #9.

[Duppers]

20. Wow! Thank you!

Exposing hate radio's lies would be the biggest kick to the GOP. The problem is RW voters' devotion to these lies is rooted in their hate.

[CrispyQ]

23. Their hate is based in fear & I honestly believe that humor trumps fear.

We are the smart & funny team! We have Al Franken, Jon Stewart, Samantha Bee, so many talented & funny & sharp people who can point out the hypocrisy of the right. But good writing cost money. Why doesn't that billionaire dude buy a couple of radio stations & run them at a loss if he has to & broadcast a challenging & competitive message of humor & hope to balance the hate of Limbaugh & his ilk? No, he's running for president, a fool's errand. He'll never win & he could have used his money way more effectively for the cause.

Check out certainot's posts on hate radio, especially how they have infected the universities.

[Duppers]

24. Dang Excellent Point!! Tom Steyer.

Wish he could be convinced of just what you said. Because you are so right.

Wanna hear some irony?...

"Tom Steyer became a billionaire by managing a hedge fund whose expansive portfolio included investments in oil, gas and coal companies. Then he became one of the Democratic Party’s most important donors, pouring $350 million into causes such as fighting climate change."

[CrispyQ]

33. I didn't know that about him.

Not all rich people are selfish, short-sighted bastards. I worked for a wonderfully open-minded, generous, & liberal wealthy man.

I wish Steyer would round up a couple more billionaire friends & do something effective with their money.

[Duppers]

34. I'm one of few here who agree...

"Not all rich people are selfish"

Although the mega-wealthy I personally know are greedy, my son knows the wealthy top guy at the GreaterGood Assoc (one of their charities: http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/) in Chicago and says he a sincere liberal with a heart of gold.

I agree, these liberal billionaires need to "something effective with their money."

[sheshe2]

8. On top of all this?

Epstein is in the light. Two of his private pilots just subpoenaed and they kept logs of Jeff's special guests. Wonder which one sings first.

The walls are closing in and they are coming from every direction.

[certainot]

9. one of the things that will come out of the grand jury work is russian use of talk radio

going back to at least 2008 when manafort was mccain's campaign cochair and limbaugh would not support mccain, (a disaster days before the GOP convention) until minutes after mccain picked palin, minutes before limbaugh's show started. palin was being courted by russian oil and gas. the hack used to start the 'climategate' hoax in 2009 and stop obama at copenhagen was russian and within days wikileaks was spreading it and within 5 days limbaugh had the necessary emails taken out of context and on his desk to start a week of non stop bullshit.

that is the most damaging thing for republicans that could come out of the mueller investigation and it would be easy to get to merely by asking sam nunberg what he meant when he said he 'listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio" in 2014 and trump/stone were getting reports from him. that had to be local talk radio, otherwise they could just keep reading the limbaugh transcripts. 2014 was when the indicted russians were traveling around the states. what states was the talk radio from? that was the same year a russian troll says he "got a list of topics to write about".

muellers bunch would be idiots not to follow that.

the signs are all over the place, including redaction in the report glossary of the of the name between GRAf and HAWker - hannity. corsi is long time talk radio feeder and a lot of the redactions were around his name

discrediting the talk radio machine and it's gods would be a total dissaster for the cons

[Duppers]

35. +100

[ffr]

11. And nobody will be watching the conservative media spin because it's a Friday.

[warmfeet]

12. Grind those gears.

I want to see little tiny pieces. Democrats deserve the whole megillah. Keep fighting and we may get it.

[mcar]

15. K&R

[UniteFightBack]

16. The gears will grind the grifters to a pulp. nt

[sheshe2]

18. I sincerely hope so.

I hope it is painful.

[spanone]

21. K&R...

[uponit7771]

25. But how did Dems perform during the impeachment announcement? /sar

Cause "performance" is way more important than announcing start of impeachment proceedings /sar

[sheshe2]

27. Excellent in MHO.

Sorry you think they were not.

[uponit7771]

28. /sar is short for sarcasm

[sheshe2]

29. Looked it up and that definition was not mentioned.

I also check to see if the post was recommended.

Sorry if I misunderstood your intent.

[uponit7771]

30. Actually it's /sarc not sar so my bad... I'm sick if US punditry wanting

... show vs substance

[Cha]

31. Yes, ".. It was always bound to come

down to this.. "

Thank you for the brilliant Liberal Librarian's thoughtful analysis, she!

[sheshe2]

32. I love his posts, Cha.