Let's get this to go viral: Juliette Kayyem on CNN says El Paso authorities

[applegrove]

need to get ahead and promise not to involve border enforcement and ice at hospitals or reunification sites for people who were at the Wallmart shooting and are undocumented and their families. Who is with her?

[zackymilly]

1. I can't believe they would do this in this situation, but nothing surprises me anymore.

I'm with her!

[Joe941]

2. Believe me they would do it.

[drray23]

5. Oh really ?

I made the same point in an earlier OP and you argued the exact opposite.

[zackymilly]

7. Nope. You said border patrol shouldn't show up in tactical gear. This post is about...

...sending back/arresting undocumented injured people or their families that are at the hospitals.
Try again.

[drray23]

8. Reading comprehension is hard apparently

I said they should not be showing up at all because of that concern.

[zackymilly]

12. Nope. You asked the question. You are just upset your post didn't go your way. n/t

[sharedvalues]

38. "Tactical" culture gets kids killed

Anyone who reads “tactical” magazines; anyone who owns “tactical” gear: are funding a bloodthirsty industry that gets our kids killed.

[pangaia]

25. they have already done much worse....

[AllyCat]

29. The ICE folks have no souls.

They would do this in a heartbeat...if they had one.

[Power 2 the People]

32. Ditto

[GulfCoast66]

3. Jesus. Only sick bastards would do that.

So I guess the orders have already gone out.

Just the fact this is believable says tons about the evil of this administration.

[uponit7771]

4. K&R, home girl at the debates was right there are some evil forces going on that some evil s***

[drray23]

6. I am. I made the same point in an earlier op

And it flew right over everybody 's head. I was pointing out the border patrol was at the shooting site and was concerned this could scare people of Hispanic descent. But no, apparently it was all fine.
It's easy to find countless articles about cbp or ice taking advantage of gatherings at schools, places of worship,courthouses, etc.. and arresting people.
,

[zackymilly]

10. Nope. You should reread your post. I posted it for you below.

Why is the us border patrol in tactical gear at the el Paso shooting ? [View all]
I would expect police swat teams, ATF, FBI and the like but why is the border patrol involved ? Are they trying to arrest people while they are evacuating the mall ? I would not put it past them. They have done that at the exit of courthouses, schools, churches. Etc..

The shooting is tragic enough not to have these goons also terrorize poor people of Hispanic descent that are in the area.

[applegrove]

14. Sometimes people's focus evolves during a crisis. Could be we are far enough away from the initial

shock as viewers to consider secondary things like the danger of being deported and how that impacts the victims now?

[Everyman Jackal]

15. Enough already.

You have been wrong all day. This day has been bad enough without you.

[onenote]

18. No, the "point" you made was that Border Patrol shouldn't respond to active shooter situations

because they aren't trained to do so.

Which is 100 percent wrong, although you've chosen to go into hiding on that thread.

[drray23]

19. I've chosen to stop responding

Because it's quite obvious you guys cant see the tree from the forest and I wont convince you otherwise.

[onenote]

24. Lame. So very very lame.

[Tipperary]

9. Oh please.

Just stop.

People dying and du wants to make it political.

Smh. I think I am done here.

[drray23]

11. Is it too early to talk about it ?

[applegrove]

16. No we want El Paso authorities to do all they can to mitigate the damage and trauma to

victims. And there are thousands of victims. And they have varied needs. And some may not be seeking help because they are afraid of being deported.

[jcgoldie]

17. IT IS FUCKING political!

Are you kidding me?

[Mars and Minerva]

31. Every bit of it. This all started because a crook wanted to be elected POTUS again. nt

[KG]

20. right wing xtian terrorism is political.

[obamanut2012]

21. Seriously?

[TDale313]

23. We want people to be free to seek medical help

and come forward with any info they have free from fear based on their immigration status. That’s just being smart and humane.

[pnwmom]

27. DU didn't make ICE political. Trump did. And he's certain to make this tragedy political

because that's what he does.

[Skittles]

30. it's just never time, is it?

[uponit7771]

33. This was worn out after the 134123412 shooting, its beyond political man

[patphil]

22. Having the Border Patrol or ICE show up at the hospital looking for illegals

after a mass shooting is for all intents and purposes a second terrorist event.

[rzemanfl]

26. Gotta wash socks. BBL. n/t

[patphil]

37. OK, you do that.

[stopdiggin]

39. if this is happening, show us a link

otherwise .. your fear mongering and paranoia are not helping.

[patphil]

40. I didn't say they did, I said that having them show up would be a second terrorist event.

There is talk that some of the victims might be afraid to go to the hospital for help because they fear Border Patrol or ICE could show up ( from live TV, not internet).
The fear mongering and paranoia is already there, courtesy of Trump's overly aggressive anti-immigrant campaign.
My comments are about the atmosphere of terror that has been deliberately put forth as policy by the Trump administration.

Patrick Phillips

[stopdiggin]

41. there is no evidence this is happening

and YOU are contributing to the atmosphere of fear. Stop.

[patphil]

42. Apology.

Sorry, I let my frustration and anxiety over all this stuff get the better of me.

Patrick Phillips

[stopdiggin]

43. and back

largely in the same place. it's really frustrating.

[Dawson Leery]

28. kick

[moonseller66]

34. We need names

We need to publish the names of ALL those who currently work for the Border Patrol and ICE so that in th efuture, when any applies for a job, the employer can see what kind of people they hire.

[Hortensis]

35. Kayyem's advice to El Paso authorities is counsel, not criticism.

El Paso's law enforcement has apparently been doing a pretty good job for their citizenry for some time. This is merely counsel from a crisis expert on the need for local authorities to add their own statement of reassurance to the one CABP has given.

Link to tweet

[Mc Mike]

36. Would those cowardly hyenas do this? Yes, undoubtedly.

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So the whole situation is doublethink, in your face doublethink.

Some reichwinger shoots a bunch of innocent people. A big powerful law enforcement police agency comes along and attacks the victims, same people the reichwinger targeted. Big gov.

But big gov that can't do a thing to prevent the one national security threat, the reichwing gun nut who is on their side. They're gonna show up proudly at the scene to protect America, where they just got done doing nothing to protect America, and they're gonna protect it by attacking the people the terrorist attacked.

But we're gonna spend all kinds of tax dollars on the ineffective cowardly hyena agency anyway, because the repugs said we need to have a big powerful unaccountable law enforcement agency, to deal with this 'national security threat', that Rump and the reichwing dreamed up.

But no government response is needed for the real national security threat, the freaks who are on Rump's side. Instead he's gonna retweet them, and give them bad ideas with his own tweets and rallies, and he's acting along with Maria Butina's NRA and Putin's Sputnik employee at the OANN.

He knew his victims were 'threatening' him, he was the real victim, so he victimized them.