FBI declining to call El Paso shooting a hate crime.

[RandySF]

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FBI walks back the statement of another law enforcement agency saying they are NOT ready to call this a hate crime- reviewing the evidence to determine the details of this shooting.
Local police says there IS a manifesto from the shooter, then says they need to validate it.
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[dalton99a]

1. He didn't target any group

[angstlessk]

6. You added the sarcasm smilie

He drove 9 hours in order to kill multiple people from Mexico, cause his town (Allen TX) didn't have enough gathered in one spot, and they would probably be his folks and their friends employees

[tblue37]

15. He just drove hundreds of miles to kill in a majority Hispanic area near the border. It wasn't

exactly on his way.

[Sapient Donkey]

30. The FBI is not wrong for wanting to fully confirm that posting on 8chan was from the killer

As I've said in other posts, I am pretty sure that was his post. However, if I was in the FBI and investigating this, then my "feeling pretty sure" wouldn't be enough for me to state it as fact. If someone was to ask you or me to prove that post was from the shooter and not an 8chan trolling stunt, then we wouldn't have factual data that says with any certainty it was from him. We'd need server logs, IP addresses, his browsing history and all that other stuff before we could make a solid case.

Give them some time to do the investigations. If they do their investigation and they treat it just as some crazy dude who snapped, then by all means we should get out there and demand answers. Until then it seems a bit premature to assume the worst.

[Blue Owl]

2. It's a love crime

As in love of Trump inspires man to kill others

[demtenjeep]

3. but the congress woman didn't hold back

and I was happy for her saying so

[Dr Vegas]

4. and who told the Press

that it was Gang-Related? What made/lead them to suggest that?

[CentralMass]

5. Wow

[stillcool]

7. sounds like they're looking out..

for one of their own.

[ecstatic]

8. Complicit. nt

[aikoaiko]

9. they probably just want to collect and analyze the evidence before making a declaration.

[triron]

18. Waiting for Wray to give them an OK.

Wray is waiting on Trump. Guess what?

[LonePirate]

10. The shooter was white so of course officials won't call it a hate crime.

[Hoyt]

26. Sad, but true.

[nocoincidences]

11. Give me a f**king break!

He wasn't wearing a klan hood...so we can't say for sure if this is a hate crime.

I am so sick of this shit.

[BigmanPigman]

12. American Terrorism on the rise....thanks to tRump and Bannon.

Poway Synagogue April 2019, last week Gilroy Garlic Festval and now this. This is Terrorism By Trump! Don't forget that dude in Fl sending pipe bombs in the mail (to Dems) a year ago.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/cesar-sayoc-mail-bomb-suspect-fox-news-hannity-trump

"Fox News And Trump’s Tweets Helped Radicalize The Mail Bombing Suspect, His Attorneys Said."

“He believed liberals, under the direction of Democratic leaders, sought to harm and kill him because of his support for Donald Trump.”

[ProudLib72]

20. Cesar Sayoc

Haven't heard much about him recently. Don't know if they have determined whether or not he was a terrorist or just a good guy on the right side.

[BigmanPigman]

21. It seems that he admitted he was NOT a good guy at all.

The Racist Rapist and his pals in the RW media inspired and motivated him and he plead guilty.

"Sayoc came to believe that “prominent Democrats were actively working to hurt him, other Trump supporters, and the country as a whole” — an idea that was reinforced by what he heard on Fox News and from the president himself. He then decided to act out — to send a message, to try to intimidate and scare Trump’s perceived enemies,” his attorneys wrote in the memo."

"He pleaded guilty in March to a total of 65 felony counts in connection with the threat, including 16 counts of using a weapon of mass destruction and illegal mailing of explosives with the intent to kill or injure. Sayoc sincerely believed conspiracy theories that cast Democrats as evil and suggested that “Trump supporters were in danger because of them.”

“The world of conspiracy and danger blurred with Mr. Sayoc’s real life, and he believed liberals, under the direction of Democratic leaders, sought to harm and kill him because of his support for Donald Trump,” his attorneys said."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/cesar-sayoc-mail-bomb-suspect-fox-news-hannity-trump

[ProudLib72]

29. I really don't understand how his attorneys can argue that the Rump and Fox

were responsible, yet they are allowed to go scot free. And the Rump has become much, much worse recently. Pretty soon he will be directly ordering his followers to attack and kill perceived threats. Will anyone say he has crossed a line?

[BigmanPigman]

31. Crossed the line?!?

No way. In fact I bet Stephan Miller is encouraging it, even after these mass murders. These people are really sick and twisted deep down to their core and not much will alter their opinions or change their perspectives.

[AlexSFCA]

13. he is a trump inspired terrorist

his online presence is now widely known and ‘sent them back’ message from trump was the inspiration for his hate.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. The FBI, staying true to its conservative perspective.

[GulfCoast66]

16. I watched the press conference. Your take seem hyperbolic to me.

If wrong I will admit it.

He did NOT say it was not a hate crime. But that investigation continues. It’s easy for the press to claim the manifesto was the shooters, but local law enforcement and the FBI actually have to prove it.

The sites it is posted on, only an hour before the shooting is not known for transparency.

Did you watch the press conference? If so did you not just love when the microphone was given to the Congress Member from the district?!? She was awesome. And is pissed.

And the Texas Governor sounded like a Baptist preacher and turned even whiter when the Congress Member had her say. Sorry. In my garage smoking a cigar. Can’t recall her name.

[912gdm]

17. It's been less than 12 hours.

Building charges take time.


his future defense lawyer will look for any procedural errors to help his client, so LE needs to do everything by the book to ensure this little asshole gets the full extent of the justice that his victims deserve.

[madville]

22. You mean law enforcement should actually gather evidence and make an informed statement

instead of jumping to conclusions and speculating, that's just crazy.

[BannonsLiver]

19. It's terrorism perpetrated by a white jihadist.

There should be no distinction between this guy and al queda and isis operatives. The aim is to terrorize.

[rockfordfile]

23. Now the FBI is corrupted

[OldDem65]

24. It's not a hate crime, it's domestic terrorism

inspired by Trump.

[GulfCoast66]

25. Per CNN. FBI opening up domestic terrorism investigation in El Paso Shooting.

How about wait at least until the next of kin are notified before making conclusions?

This thread will not age well.

Now, if after the FBI actually does what they do, investigate, and decides is just a regular murder, then I will be among the loudest yelling.

Real life is not a 1 hour crime show. It takes time. And this is actually pretty freaking quick.

[TalenaGor]

27. which is worse a hate crime or terrorism?

Or is terrorism a hate crime by definition....

[Sapient Donkey]

28. I have little doubt that once they confirm all the details it will be labeled a hate crime and/or

domestic terrorism. I will only take issue with this if they don't do it after reviewing and confirming everything that seems likely to be the facts. If they do somehow refuse to declare this a hate crime, then they better have a very convincing explanation as to why. But until we get to that point, I am going to withhold any outrage toward the FBI.